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Sixty Fiver 10-31-10 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Talldog (Post 11709437)
I agree with the comments about the Kendas. I have some on my mountain bike and they do roll very well on pavement. But nowhere near as good as a dedicated road tire and not at all suited I would think for what you are describing here.

There are a lot of misconceptions about tyre width and speed and think that a bigger rider would not find these tyres to be as fast... I am only a buck forty and these tyres feel pretty stiff at 65 psi which is due in part to the frame and fork which is an XC racing bike and could rally feel a difference when I loaded up the panniers with groceries the other night as then they started humming pretty loudly.

I haven't taken the Moulden on on any multi hour rides but figure I could tick along pretty happily in mid to higher 30's for a few hours over the rolling terrain we have here as I can manage that on my touring bike when I take my 50 km commute which takes me 2 hours with quick snack / coffee stop in the middle.

Talldog 10-31-10 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11710238)
There are a lot of misconceptions about tyre width and speed and think that a bigger rider would not find these tyres to be as fast... I am only a buck forty and these tyres feel pretty stiff at 65 psi which is due in part to the frame and fork which is an XC racing bike and could rally feel a difference when I loaded up the panniers with groceries the other night as then they started humming pretty loudly.

I haven't taken the Moulden on on any multi hour rides but figure I could tick along pretty happily in mid to higher 30's for a few hours over the rolling terrain we have here as I can manage that on my touring bike when I take my 50 km commute which takes me 2 hours with quick snack / coffee stop in the middle.

On your setup that's around a 400 watt sustained output for two hours (assuming zero headwind and dead flat terrain). That is elite athlete territory, more I believe than quite a few of the TDF riders put out in the TT's. You on EPO ? ;)

bikenut1967 11-01-10 03:40 PM

Hi!!! New to the forums and here's my "hybrid"
 
actually i hate that label, sounds so wimpy...like a Prius... but whatever. Heres my almost daily ride... 489 miles in Oct.

I modified the stock bike with adjustable stem, old mountain bike handlebar (freebie), bar ends, clip in pedals, rack and foam grip set off ebay (with extra added padding)...10 bucks and super comfy, even though they look dorky i suppose... Helps with my carpal tunnel.

The bike itself is a scratch n dent off ebay (had a few chips)... but otherwise new.

I try to ride 15 to 25 miles most days of the week and longer rides on the weekend when possible, I've been "hardcore" about my biking for about 4 months and love to ride... lost 20 lbs so far too =)

Anyway, glad to find this forum and hope to spend alot of time here and learn much!!

Andy C.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110074.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110076.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110078.jpg

AdelaaR 11-01-10 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Talldog (Post 11710756)
On your setup that's around a 400 watt sustained output for two hours (assuming zero headwind and dead flat terrain). That is elite athlete territory, more I believe than quite a few of the TDF riders put out in the TT's. You on EPO ? ;)

Your calculations do not make sense to me.
50 km over 2 hours would equal 25 km/h average.
Counting in the "quick stop" he mentioned ... let's asume he averages 27-30 km/h.
I averaged 28 on a 40 km run and then I wasn't even going full power because I was riding to my aunt's barbecue in hot weather and wanted to arrive there without sweating too much or being too exhausted.
I definately do not have a 400 watts aerobic power output.
In fact, to keep a speed of about 30 km/h, one needs only about 200 to 250 watts of aerobic power.

qmsdc15 11-01-10 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by bikenut1967 (Post 11715749)
actually i hate that label, sounds so wimpy...like a Prius... but whatever. Heres my almost daily ride... 489 miles in Oct.

I modified the stock bike with adjustable stem, old mountain bike handlebar (freebie), bar ends, clip in pedals, rack and foam grip set off ebay (with extra added padding)...10 bucks and super comfy, even though they look dorky i suppose... Helps with my carpal tunnel.

The bike itself is a scratch n dent off ebay (had a few chips)... but otherwise new.

I try to ride 15 to 25 miles most days of the week and longer rides on the weekend when possible, I've been "hardcore" about my biking for about 4 months and love to ride... lost 20 lbs so far too =)

Anyway, glad to find this forum and hope to spend alot of time here and learn much!!

Andy C.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110074.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110076.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1.../110110078.jpg

Nice bike, but you've mounted the rack backwards and the zip tied foam has got to go!

Yes hybrids are wimpy, but we have standards!

Talldog 11-01-10 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by AdelaaR (Post 11715882)
Your calculations do not make sense to me.
50 km over 2 hours would equal 25 km/h average.
Counting in the "quick stop" he mentioned ... let's asume he averages 27-30 km/h.
I averaged 28 on a 40 km run and then I wasn't even going full power because I was riding to my aunt's barbecue in hot weather and wanted to arrive there without sweating too much or being too exhausted.
I definately do not have a 400 watts aerobic power output.
In fact, to keep a speed of about 30 km/h, one needs only about 200 to 250 watts of aerobic power.

I didn't go back to the original post but if I remember correctly he said he was doing several hours continuous on a mountain bike frame with two inch knobbies, panniers and a total weight probably approaching 33 pounds (weight doesn't matter though, right). And bad aerodynamics despite using drops. All this in the upper 30's (kph) the whole way. When you do the math this would require much more than 200 to 250 watts. But if 65er actually does all the miles he claims then I think he is at a very fit level and I a believe it is possible.

Your 30 kph average is mere child's play in comparison :).

AdelaaR 11-01-10 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Talldog (Post 11715993)
I didn't go back to the original post but if I remember correctly he said he was doing several hours continuous on a mountain bike frame with two inch knobbies, panniers and a total weight probably approaching 33 pounds (weight doesn't matter though, right). And bad aerodynamics despite using drops. All this in the upper 30's (kph) the whole way. When you do the math this would require much more than 200 to 250 watts. But if 65er actually does all the miles he claims then I think he is at a very fit level and I a believe it is possible.

Your 30 kph average is mere child's play in comparison :).

Reading it again he did indeed say "mid to higher 30's for a few hours" and that does indeed sound incredible ^^

bikenut1967 11-01-10 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by qmsdc15 (Post 11715933)
Nice bike, but you've mounted the rack backwards and the zip tied foam has got to go!

Yes hybrids are wimpy, but we have standards!


Haha!! You got me on the rack thing!! Good eye!~! as for the zip tied foam... I will have to call function over form on that one... I have a lot of trouble with numbness and pain in my right hand especially. Been diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, and it ain't no fun, the added foam really helps on the long rides.

See, i learned something here already, how NOT to mount a rack!! =)

Andy C.

qmsdc15 11-01-10 06:01 PM

I'll give you a pass on the foam since you brought a note from your doctor. I'm having a little wrist problem myself. Hope we both get better soon!

Sixty Fiver 11-01-10 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by AdelaaR (Post 11715882)
Your calculations do not make sense to me.
50 km over 2 hours would equal 25 km/h average.
Counting in the "quick stop" he mentioned ... let's asume he averages 27-30 km/h.
I averaged 28 on a 40 km run and then I wasn't even going full power because I was riding to my aunt's barbecue in hot weather and wanted to arrive there without sweating too much or being too exhausted.
I definately do not have a 400 watts aerobic power output.
In fact, to keep a speed of about 30 km/h, one needs only about 200 to 250 watts of aerobic power.

I don't even need to crank out that much power... :)

I average a little over 30kmh on my touring bike on the long commute and once calculated that I needed to sustain a 300 watt output to complete a sub hour 40 on my road bike although I have done this on my vintage fixed gear as well... it is pretty slick and very fast and in race shape I am a buck forty soaking wet.

Once upon a time I would have put myself in the elite category but now I am just a little faster than your average Fred, probably ride more than most, and have been working exceptionally hard to get faster and stronger.

xoxoxoxoLive 11-01-10 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11717692)
I don't even need to crank out that much power... :)

I average a little over 30kmh on my touring bike on the long commute and once calculated that I needed to sustain a 300 watt output to complete a sub hour 40 on my road bike although I have done this on my vintage fixed gear as well... it is pretty slick and very fast and in race shape I am a buck forty soaking wet.

Once upon a time I would have put myself in the elite category but now I am just a little faster than your average Fred, probably ride more than most, and have been working exceptionally hard to get faster and stronger.

Excuse Me ! Faster Yes...( More ) ? I would rethink that statement...LOL Richard ..

Sixty Fiver 11-02-10 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive (Post 11717882)
Excuse Me ! Faster Yes...( More ) ? I would rethink that statement...LOL Richard ..

I did manage a sub hour 40 this year and was riding my touring bike with a moderate load... but I also had a stiff tailwind and was trying to out ride a thunderstorm.

We did an 80 km ride last fall and with the tailwind we had it was no problem to maintain a speed of 40 kmh and even with a rest break we completed this is just over 2 hours... I hit 65 kmh in a sprint that day.

These don't count.

On our last TdP our return speed over 80 kmh was 33kmh in a driving rain storm but when you have a good group and can draft this is pretty easy to do... there were a few breaks where I dialled up my bike to 45kmh to chase people down or have some fun.

Ride in a paceline and maintaining speeds in the low 40's is not that hard if you have a strong group.

Going out and riding 40km in an hour SOLO... that is friggin' hard.

I need to ride more.

:)

xoxoxoxoLive 11-02-10 12:31 AM

Thats Fast !
 

Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11717915)
I did manage a sub hour 40 this year and was riding my touring bike with a moderate load... but I also had a stiff tailwind and was trying to out ride a thunderstorm.

We did an 80 km ride last fall and with the tailwind we had it was no problem to maintain a speed of 40 kmh and even with a rest break we completed this is just over 2 hours... I hit 65 kmh in a sprint that day.

These don't count.

On our last TdP our return speed over 80 kmh was 33kmh in a driving rain storm but when you have a good group and can draft this is pretty easy to do... there were a few breaks where I dialled up my bike to 45kmh to chase people down or have some fun.

Ride in a paceline and maintaining speeds in the low 40's is not that hard if you have a strong group.

Going out and riding 40km in an hour SOLO... that is friggin' hard.

I need to ride more.

:)

I tried to order the tires you recommended, but the local LBS's could not get them. I could
order online, but ended up with Kendra Kwick's...Lets just see how long they last. and
Thanks, Richard :)

Talldog 11-02-10 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11717915)
Ride in a paceline and maintaining speeds in the low 40's is not that hard if you have a strong group.

Going out and riding 40km in an hour SOLO... that is friggin' hard.:)

Yes, "hard" is a relative term, especially when you can output 300+ watts on a sustained basis, LOL. People should realize that 300+ watts of sustained output is in (a young) Lance Armstrong/Alberto Contador territory. What you do is not hard for me, or for most people ... it is utterly impossible.

Doohickie 11-02-10 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by bikenut1967 (Post 11716311)
as for the zip tied foam... I will have to call function over form on that one... I have a lot of trouble with numbness and pain in my right hand especially.

Andy C.

Have you tried IronMan cyclig gloves? They can do wonders. You may also look into alternate handlebar designs, especially the kind that provide many different hand positions. A trekking bar looks nerdy cool; zip-tied foam looks nerdy goofy.

I won't draw further attention to the rack.... :innocent:

bikenut1967 11-02-10 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Doohickie (Post 11719067)
Have you tried IronMan cyclig gloves? They can do wonders. You may also look into alternate handlebar designs, especially the kind that provide many different hand positions. A trekking bar looks nerdy cool; zip-tied foam looks nerdy goofy.

I won't draw further attention to the rack.... :innocent:

will definitely look in to those gloves you mentioned!! Thanks for the tip!! ... fixed the rack about 20 minutes ago... =) was even able to mount my light instead of hanging it off my tool bag... all is well now =)

Andy C.

Doohickie 11-02-10 02:33 PM

Many, but not all, bike shops carry the IronMan gloves. They have a split pad across the heel of the glove which avoids putting pressure on the nerve that runs up through there and reduces tingly numbness.

gusjrt 11-03-10 03:28 PM

2 Attachment(s)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176688http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176687 Here is my Cannondale Bad Boy just 24hrs after drop bars,Sora Shifters, and Shimano LX rear der. were installed. This may just be my personal all time fave bike. Gus

irclean 11-03-10 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Doohickie (Post 11719067)
...A trekking bar looks nerdy cool; zip-tied foam looks nerdy goofy.

:D :lol::roflmao2::roflmao:
I love my trekking bars:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176704http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176708


Originally Posted by gusjrt (Post 11727998)
Here is my Cannondale Bad Boy just 24hrs after drop bars,Sora Shifters, and Shimano LX rear der. were installed. This may just be my personal all time fave bike. Gus

Nice build!

big_al 11-04-10 10:28 AM

Here is a pict of my wifes giant sedona bike and my daughters gary fisher in the background..


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l.../IMG_05711.jpg

Talldog 11-04-10 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by big_al (Post 11732118)
Here is a pict of my wifes giant sedona bike and my daughters gary fisher in the background..


http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/l.../IMG_05711.jpg

Nice ! Giants are great bikes. Are those upgraded forks on the Sedona ? Maybe it is just the angle, etc. but they look pretty substantial to be stock on a comfort bike.

giantcfr1 11-05-10 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by gusjrt (Post 11727998)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176688http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=176687 Here is my Cannondale Bad Boy just 24hrs after drop bars,Sora Shifters, and Shimano LX rear der. were installed. This may just be my personal all time fave bike. Gus

FANTASTIC!!!
I have a question. The Sora Brifters, are they specifically for discs, or are they standard road. If road, have you come across any braking irregularities?

gusjrt 11-05-10 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by giantcfr1 (Post 11738181)
FANTASTIC!!!
I have a question. The Sora Brifters, are they specifically for discs, or are they standard road. If road, have you come across any braking irregularities?

The Soras are road specific. The brakes tend to have some travel then start to stack up toward the end, I am thinking of adding "take Up Adaptors" to equal out the lack of leveradge and pull you get with road vs mountain shifters.

Shifting is Spot on. Although I will admit to taking it to my LBS to get the front der right. The back was compatible with my bomb proof 1989 Shimano LX. The Sram x5 that came on the bike was great but not compatible due to pull ratio.

I had to change stems to a 40mm 15* from a 100mm flat to get the feel I wanted. The adjustable I tried was better than the 100 but the 40mm seems to be the ticket.

Love this bike, have since the day I bought it. Thanks for the compliments... Gus

rumrunn6 11-05-10 06:00 PM

put drops on that Crosstrail! hot bike!

giantcfr1 11-05-10 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by gusjrt (Post 11741186)
The Soras are road specific. The brakes tend to have some travel then start to stack up toward the end, I am thinking of adding "take Up Adaptors" to equal out the lack of leveradge and pull you get with road vs mountain shifters.

Shifting is Spot on. Although I will admit to taking it to my LBS to get the front der right. The back was compatible with my bomb proof 1989 Shimano LX. The Sram x5 that came on the bike was great but not compatible due to pull ratio.

I had to change stems to a 40mm 15* from a 100mm flat to get the feel I wanted. The adjustable I tried was better than the 100 but the 40mm seems to be the ticket.

Love this bike, have since the day I bought it. Thanks for the compliments... Gus

Thanks for the info. I'm often toying with the idea of converting mine over. Maybe....maybe not.


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