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    Reverse Hybrid

    I saw this on CL and thought is this really a hybrid?

    http://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...AdIdZ314610804

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    That geometry looks more roadie than MTB. The tires are definitely MTB. The only other thing that screams roadie would be the dropped handlebars. Who cares about that little decoration hanging over the rear tire?

    Therefore, its a hybrid by rights... But! If you were to swap those tires for some 28's, you'd be in roadie heaven!

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    Humm, looks like a Wal-Mart MTB with added drop bars, that is a single piece crank right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjjoondo View Post
    Humm, looks like a Wal-Mart MTB with added drop bars, that is a single piece crank right??

    You're right!

    That is a single piece crank, completely smelling of Walmart!!!

    - Slim

    PS.

    The front tire is larger than the rear tire. Gives the illusion the the frame geometry is different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    That geometry looks more roadie than MTB.
    - Slim
    In the mid to late 80's weren't cheap mountain bike frames based on road geometry?

    Quote Originally Posted by bjjoondo View Post
    Humm, looks like a Wal-Mart MTB with added drop bars, that is a single piece crank right??
    I think beneath that black cap is a bolt/nut for a square taper BB, so nope, I don't think it's a single piece crank. Wal-Mart, possibly.

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    That's a cheap road bike that has had its tires replaced with some fatties...

    That's it!

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    I┤ve no relation to Wal Mart (cheap US shop?) but this bike is a misch-masch of everything. i wouldnt necessarily call it a hybrid, more like a homeversion CX.
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    It's a hybrid bike. Only things road on that bike are the bars and 1970-something diacompe levers.

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    I have a soft spot in my heart for drop bar mountain bikes.

    A Cunningham from back in the day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    It's a hybrid bike. Only things road on that bike are the bars and 1970-something diacompe levers.
    How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    How so?
    I thought I explained it by mentioning the only two items that are road parts..... (bars and levers)

    The frame is no way a road frame, the wheels aren't road, the tyres aren't road, the deraileurs aren't road, the cranks aren't road, the brakes aren't road, the fenders aren't road......

    I'm confused, I thought you agreed it was a hybrid on your first post.

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    Drop bar mountain bike... which by some definitions could be called a hybrid as it uses road bars, levers, and shifters... and gets used on the road and is a kick ass commuter.

    Took it for a 140 km ride last Sunday... it was great.

    Will probably off road it tomorrow... which will be great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by qmsdc15 View Post
    I have a soft spot in my heart for drop bar mountain bikes.

    A Cunningham from back in the day...
    I think my Moulden came from that same era and was originally equipped with roller brakes and a full Suntour XC group... we still make a stem just like the one on the Cunningham with a lower fixing bolt.

    Friggen amazing bike when you consider it weighs just under 23 pounds without the commuting gear.

    My Moulden came with a custom stem and flat bar and I swapped in the drop bars and also run some cross levers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    I thought I explained it by mentioning the only two items that are road parts..... (bars and levers)

    The frame is no way a road frame, the wheels aren't road, the tyres aren't road, the deraileurs aren't road, the cranks aren't road, the brakes aren't road, the fenders aren't road......

    I'm confused, I thought you agreed it was a hybrid on your first post.
    No contention here ...I just wanted to know, if you had other considerations is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    No contention here ...I just wanted to know, if you had other considerations is all
    No worries mate (^.^)b

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    It's a hybrid bike. Only things road on that bike are the bars and 1970-something diacompe levers.
    what constitutes the difference between a hybrid and the CX? The bar? No, intented usage. therefor it could just as well be a homemade CX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    You're right!

    That is a single piece crank, completely smelling of Walmart!!!

    - Slim

    PS.

    The front tire is larger than the rear tire. Gives the illusion the the frame geometry is different.
    Wheels are the same size... it is the picture that creates the illusion and one just has to note the position of the brakes relative to the wheels.... if a different wheel size was used fitting the brakes would be a challenge.

    Geometry is at least very late eighties and if the cantis are original that also dates the frame as cantis fell out of fashion in the early 90's.

    Anyways, it is listed as a drop bar mountain bike and once upon a time a few pioneering individuals rode and raced on these... John Tomac was probably the most successful and well known mountain biker who used drop bars on his bikes.

    From 1988...


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    Here is a mid eighties mountain bike / all terrain bike... the geometry is nearly identical to a modern Surly LHT and was really a touring bike built on 26 inch wheels. It was in the late eighties and early 90's that mountain bikes really began to adopt the geometry they use today.

    The stock bars were flat, have swapped in trekking bars as I use this bike for commuting, towing my trailer, and plan to do a little trekking.



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    Quote Originally Posted by javal View Post
    what constitutes the difference between a hybrid and the CX? The bar? No, intented usage. therefor it could just as well be a homemade CX.
    I agree, the owner could have built it like that intending to use it for CX. What I was getting at, is that I don't believe it could be defined as a road bike.

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    hybrid bike just means it's got elements of both road and mtb

    most hybrid bikes are road bikes with mtb components, but some hybrids are mtbs set up for the road. the most common term for these kind of bikes are "city bikes"

    i ride this way more than my "road bike"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    That geometry looks more roadie than MTB.
    it's an 80s-90s mtb.. the geometry is way too slack for most roadies

    Geometry is at least very late eighties and if the cantis are original that also dates the frame as cantis fell out of fashion in the early 90's.
    the paint job is also very much late 80s/early 90s
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    Tomac actually began his very successful MTB racing career on flat bar bikes and came late to racing off-road with drop bars. It was only after he began racing on the road for the famous 7-11 pro team in 1990 that John installed drops on his MTB. No others in the pro ranks were still using drops at that time. He also had a disc rear wheel on his MTB! I think the picture 65er posted above is a bit more recent than 1988.

    Tomac winning the 1988 NORBA Championships


    John Tomac was a BMX Champion before he began racing MTB.

    Jacquie "Alice B. Toeclips" Phelan was the most successful of the drop bar mountain bike racers that preceded Tomac. She was NORBA Champion for three consecutive years, '83-'85. She would regularly finish ahead of 90% of the men in the early days before women had their own races. She is married to Charlie Cunningham who built her bike, ****. Hers was a rare aluminum bike amongst the steel frames prevalent then, and was viewed with skepticism by others on the scene, but it held up to nine years of racing at the top level where bikes are routinely replaced much more frequently.

    I think this a picture from the first MTB race Phalen lost, the 50 mile Plumline race in 1986. Behind her is eventual winner Cindy Whitehead who raced all but the first couple of miles without a saddle after her seatpost broke early in the race.


    I raced a drop bar mountain bike before Tomac did, but with considerably less success. I was a club car racer (club car = lounge in the back of a train).

    I have no idea why Jacquie's bike's name got censored. It's a four letter German given name beginning with Ott. Three Popes in the 10th century were named ****, **** I, **** II, and **** III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by javal View Post
    what constitutes the difference between a hybrid and the CX? The bar? No, intented usage. therefor it could just as well be a homemade CX.
    Looks more XC than CX to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qmsdc15 View Post
    Three Popes in the 10th century were named ****, **** I, **** II, and **** III.
    Those are four popes
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaDogg View Post
    Those are four popes


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