w98seeng

I saw this on CL and thought is this really a hybrid?

https://montreal.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...AdIdZ314610804

Ian

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SlimRider

That geometry looks more roadie than MTB. The tires are definitely MTB. The only other thing that screams roadie would be the dropped handlebars. Who cares about that little decoration hanging over the rear tire?

Therefore, its a hybrid by rights... But! If you were to swap those tires for some 28's, you'd be in roadie heaven!

- Slim

bjjoondo 

Humm, looks like a Wal-Mart MTB with added drop bars, that is a single piece crank right??

SlimRider

You're right!

That is a single piece crank, completely smelling of Walmart!!!

- Slim

PS.

The front tire is larger than the rear tire. Gives the illusion the the frame geometry is different.

w98seeng

In the mid to late 80's weren't cheap mountain bike frames based on road geometry?

I think beneath that black cap is a bolt/nut for a square taper BB, so nope, I don't think it's a single piece crank. Wal-Mart, possibly.

SlimRider

That's a cheap road bike that has had its tires replaced with some fatties...

That's it!

- Slim

javal

I´ve no relation to Wal Mart (cheap US shop?) but this bike is a misch-masch of everything. i wouldnt necessarily call it a hybrid, more like a homeversion CX.

giantcfr1

It's a hybrid bike. Only things road on that bike are the bars and 1970-something diacompe levers.

qmsdc15

I have a soft spot in my heart for drop bar mountain bikes.

A Cunningham from back in the day...

SlimRider

How so?

giantcfr1

I thought I explained it by mentioning the only two items that are road parts..... (bars and levers)

The frame is no way a road frame, the wheels aren't road, the tyres aren't road, the deraileurs aren't road, the cranks aren't road, the brakes aren't road, the fenders aren't road......

I'm confused, I thought you agreed it was a hybrid on your first post.

Sixty Fiver

Drop bar mountain bike... which by some definitions could be called a hybrid as it uses road bars, levers, and shifters... and gets used on the road and is a kick ass commuter.

Took it for a 140 km ride last Sunday... it was great.

Will probably off road it tomorrow... which will be great.


1990 Moulden custom

Sixty Fiver

I think my Moulden came from that same era and was originally equipped with roller brakes and a full Suntour XC group... we still make a stem just like the one on the Cunningham with a lower fixing bolt.

Friggen amazing bike when you consider it weighs just under 23 pounds without the commuting gear.

My Moulden came with a custom stem and flat bar and I swapped in the drop bars and also run some cross levers.

SlimRider

No contention here ...I just wanted to know, if you had other considerations is all

giantcfr1

No worries mate (^.^)b

javal

what constitutes the difference between a hybrid and the CX? The bar? No, intented usage. therefor it could just as well be a homemade CX.

Sixty Fiver

Wheels are the same size... it is the picture that creates the illusion and one just has to note the position of the brakes relative to the wheels.... if a different wheel size was used fitting the brakes would be a challenge.

Geometry is at least very late eighties and if the cantis are original that also dates the frame as cantis fell out of fashion in the early 90's.

Anyways, it is listed as a drop bar mountain bike and once upon a time a few pioneering individuals rode and raced on these... John Tomac was probably the most successful and well known mountain biker who used drop bars on his bikes.

From 1988...

Sixty Fiver

Here is a mid eighties mountain bike / all terrain bike... the geometry is nearly identical to a modern Surly LHT and was really a touring bike built on 26 inch wheels. It was in the late eighties and early 90's that mountain bikes really began to adopt the geometry they use today.

The stock bars were flat, have swapped in trekking bars as I use this bike for commuting, towing my trailer, and plan to do a little trekking.

giantcfr1

I agree, the owner could have built it like that intending to use it for CX. What I was getting at, is that I don't believe it could be defined as a road bike.

frantik

hybrid bike just means it's got elements of both road and mtb

most hybrid bikes are road bikes with mtb components, but some hybrids are mtbs set up for the road. the most common term for these kind of bikes are "city bikes"

i ride this way more than my "road bike"

frantik

it's an 80s-90s mtb.. the geometry is way too slack for most roadies

the paint job is also very much late 80s/early 90s

qmsdc15

Tomac actually began his very successful MTB racing career on flat bar bikes and came late to racing off-road with drop bars. It was only after he began racing on the road for the famous 7-11 pro team in 1990 that John installed drops on his MTB. No others in the pro ranks were still using drops at that time. He also had a disc rear wheel on his MTB! I think the picture 65er posted above is a bit more recent than 1988.

Tomac winning the 1988 NORBA Championships


John Tomac was a BMX Champion before he began racing MTB.

Jacquie "Alice B. Toeclips" Phelan was the most successful of the drop bar mountain bike racers that preceded Tomac. She was NORBA Champion for three consecutive years, '83-'85. She would regularly finish ahead of 90% of the men in the early days before women had their own races. She is married to Charlie Cunningham who built her bike, ****. Hers was a rare aluminum bike amongst the steel frames prevalent then, and was viewed with skepticism by others on the scene, but it held up to nine years of racing at the top level where bikes are routinely replaced much more frequently.

I think this a picture from the first MTB race Phalen lost, the 50 mile Plumline race in 1986. Behind her is eventual winner Cindy Whitehead who raced all but the first couple of miles without a saddle after her seatpost broke early in the race.


I raced a drop bar mountain bike before Tomac did, but with considerably less success. I was a club car racer (club car = lounge in the back of a train).

I have no idea why Jacquie's bike's name got censored. It's a four letter German given name beginning with Ott. Three Popes in the 10th century were named ****, **** I, **** II, and **** III.

qmsdc15

Looks more XC than CX to me.

AlphaDogg

Those are four popes

frantik

you should count again