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grindr82 02-11-12 01:25 AM

I am interested in learning more about this hierarchy. I am currently looking at a bike with these specs:

FD SHIMANO M191, 34.9 CLAMP

RD SHIMANO ACERA

CRANK SHIMANO M171 48/38/28

SHIFTERS SHIMANO ALTUS

The price point on this bike is $725.....are the components on the same level?

Rdrcr 02-11-12 02:44 AM

Where do hybrid bikes fall into in reference to parts? Do they use road or mtb parts usually? I'm asking cause I am about to receive my new bike and will be upgrading parts eventually. thanks

jsdavis 02-11-12 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdrcr (Post 13838109)
Where do hybrid bikes fall into in reference to parts? Do they use road or mtb parts usually? I'm asking cause I am about to receive my new bike and will be upgrading parts eventually. thanks

What bike specifically? A hybrid is anything that's not quite a road bike and not quite a mountain bike. It can fall anywhere in between those two extremes. Bikes closer to road bikes user road components like flat bar road bikes, although some use mountain bike components. Those closer to mountain bikes will use mountain bike components. I think some are even a mix of the two.

jsdavis 02-11-12 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by grindr82 (Post 13838039)
I am interested in learning more about this hierarchy. I am currently looking at a bike with these specs:

FD SHIMANO M191, 34.9 CLAMP

RD SHIMANO ACERA

CRANK SHIMANO M171 48/38/28

SHIFTERS SHIMANO ALTUS

The price point on this bike is $725.....are the components on the same level?

What bike is that? It looks over priced.

What about the other parts? Sealed or unsealed hubs, rims, brakes? Frame material? Is it butted? Is there carbon fiber fork?

On second thought, maybe it's not too far off, though it still seems like a bit much. I have a Tourney FD, Deore RD, crank is probably equiv to Acera, Alivio shifters, and Acera cassette on my bike. SRP is around $650 but I got it for around $420 on clearance so that's why I thought the bike you are describing seemed overpriced. I also have Hayes disc brakes and FSA double sealed hubs.

Rdrcr 02-11-12 03:11 AM

Fuji Absolute 3.0

jsdavis 02-11-12 03:19 AM

Looks closer to a road bike but most drive stuff is mountain type components.

ChowChow 02-11-12 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindr82 (Post 13838039)
I am interested in learning more about this hierarchy. I am currently looking at a bike with these specs:

FD SHIMANO M191, 34.9 CLAMP

RD SHIMANO ACERA

CRANK SHIMANO M171 48/38/28

SHIFTERS SHIMANO ALTUS

The price point on this bike is $725.....are the components on the same level?

Really?

Not worth it at all.

ChowChow 02-11-12 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdrcr (Post 13838128)
Fuji Absolute 3.0

How much did you paid for this bike and what year is it?

ChowChow 02-11-12 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindr82 (Post 13838039)
I am interested in learning more about this hierarchy. I am currently looking at a bike with these specs:

FD SHIMANO M191, 34.9 CLAMP

RD SHIMANO ACERA

CRANK SHIMANO M171 48/38/28

SHIFTERS SHIMANO ALTUS

The price point on this bike is $725.....are the components on the same level?

The only brand that I've seen with low end parts and with high prices is Specialized. All though I did seen one on the Trek line also. I wouldn't spend more than $400 on a bike that has Shimano Altus RD and more than $500 for Shimano Acera RD.

jsdavis 02-11-12 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdrcr (Post 13838128)
Fuji Absolute 3.0

Are you sure you have the price right? The website says $589 which is more in line for the components you've listed.

xoxoxoxoLive 02-11-12 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdavis (Post 13838740)
Are you sure you have the price right? The website says $589 which is more in line for the components you've listed.


Performance Bike's has the 2011 model Fuji Absolute 3.0 in stock, for 399.00 dollars by my house.

xoxoxoxoLive 02-11-12 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsdavis (Post 13837896)
So what am I supposed to take away from that video? Since the video is posted by SRAM, I wouldn't believe that it is unbiased. Click on the link for the user who posted it, and it says SRAM at the top.

Is the Shimano part moving because it's supposed to?

Nothing really, I just found the X7 Scram worked, and shifted off road very smooth. It was just a video I seen, maybe your comment is the best. (that Scram made it) LOL

grindr82 02-11-12 10:45 AM

Its the 2012 Cannondale Quick CX 4, I didnt want to list them all but its available online at their website......

xoxoxoxoLive 02-11-12 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdrcr (Post 13838128)
Fuji Absolute 3.0

Those do not match the 2011 model Specs :

FD SHIMANO M191 31.8mm

RD SHIMANO ALTUS

CRANK Fuji Alloy Forged 28/38/48T

SHIFTERS SHIMANO ACERA

Performance Bike's by my house, has a white 21" in stock for 399.00 dollars, and several Blacks in different sizes for 449.00 dollars. Why the price difference ? They really could not tell me ethier, but the components were the same. And the bike weighs 26.5 pounds. (Test Rode One Also) Richard

AdelaaR 02-11-12 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdgewaterDude (Post 13836156)
Good information. I think mixing and matching road and MTB components creates a lot of confusion.

Confusion to the newbies for sure, but not for the more experienced.

My hybrid is a mix of LX, SLX, XT, 105 and SRAM :)

EdgewaterDude 02-11-12 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdrcr (Post 13838109)
Where do hybrid bikes fall into in reference to parts? Do they use road or mtb parts usually? I'm asking cause I am about to receive my new bike and will be upgrading parts eventually. thanks

Seems like lower end hybrids usually use mountain bike components. For instance, Treks bikes use Deore/Altus/Alivio/Tourney on their basic stuff, and the gearing is usually a 48/38/38 triple with a 11-32 cassette.

The high end stuff usually has some sort of compact double with road gearing (50/34, 53/39) and an 11 or 12/26. Road gearing is a heck of a lot less leisurely, in my opinion.

grindr82 02-11-12 04:41 PM

Its the Cannondale Quick CX4 heres the rest of the info from the website:

Frame
Quick CX Rigid, Optimized 6061 alloy, SAVE, 1-1/8" head tube

Fork
Fatty Rigid Disc

Crank
Shimano M171 48/38/28

Bottom Bracket

Tange Cartridge

Shifters
Shimano Altus

Cog Set
Sunrace CSG66 11-32, 8 spd

Chain
KMC Z82, 8-speed

Front Derailleur
Shimano M191, 34.9 clamp

Rear Derailleur
Shimano Acera

Rims
Maddux DC3.0, double wall w/eyelet, 32 hole

Hubs
Cannondale C4

Tires
Continental Double Fighter II, 700x37c

Pedals
Quick Reinforced Composite w/ Kraton inserts

Brake
Tektro Novela mechanical disc, 160/160 mm

Handlebar
Cannondale C4, 6061, 25mm rise, 620mm

Stem
Cannondale C4, 1-1/8", 31.8, 12 deg

Headset
Tange 1-1/8"

Spokes
Stainless Steel XD Black, 15g

Grips
Cannondale Urban Ergo

Saddle
Cannondale Quick CX Ergo

Seat Post
Cannondale C4, alloy, 31.6 x 350 mm

Shifters
Shimano Altus

Is it truly over priced? I get so lost with all of this.

ChowChow 02-11-12 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grindr82 (Post 13839926)
Its the Cannondale Quick CX4 heres the rest of the info from the website:

Frame
Quick CX Rigid, Optimized 6061 alloy, SAVE, 1-1/8" head tube

Fork
Fatty Rigid Disc

Crank
Shimano M171 48/38/28

Bottom Bracket

Tange Cartridge

Shifters
Shimano Altus

Cog Set
Sunrace CSG66 11-32, 8 spd

Chain
KMC Z82, 8-speed

Front Derailleur
Shimano M191, 34.9 clamp

Rear Derailleur
Shimano Acera

Rims
Maddux DC3.0, double wall w/eyelet, 32 hole

Hubs
Cannondale C4

Tires
Continental Double Fighter II, 700x37c

Pedals
Quick Reinforced Composite w/ Kraton inserts

Brake
Tektro Novela mechanical disc, 160/160 mm

Handlebar
Cannondale C4, 6061, 25mm rise, 620mm

Stem
Cannondale C4, 1-1/8", 31.8, 12 deg

Headset
Tange 1-1/8"

Spokes
Stainless Steel XD Black, 15g

Grips
Cannondale Urban Ergo

Saddle
Cannondale Quick CX Ergo

Seat Post
Cannondale C4, alloy, 31.6 x 350 mm

Shifters
Shimano Altus

Is it truly over priced? I get so lost with all of this.

Yes, it's over price IMO. It should not be more than $500 IMO.

shwanskee22 10-15-13 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive (Post 13834028)
This information is for those people who are looking to buy a new bicycle or are wanting to upgrade their old one. Understanding these gradings will give you greater knowledge of what makes a bike the price and style that it is...

Really great breakdown of all the product lines above. I also wrote this great breakdown of the Shimano and Sram MTB components on my website. sram and shimano mtb component rankings
The two of these lists should really help you understand what you want to place on your bike.

Thanks!

no1mad 10-16-13 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shwanskee22 (Post 16164053)
Really great breakdown of all the product lines. I also found this list with sram and shimano mtb component rankings, the two of these really helped me understand what I want on my bike.

Thanks!

Full disclosure time- you wrote that "list" and you also own the site.

shwanskee22 10-17-13 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by no1mad (Post 16166324)
Full disclosure time- you wrote that "list" and you also own the site.

It is a list, with plenty of helpful information. I apologize if you don't like the way I shared the link. I have edited the post in order to appease your request. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction and my apologies for going about it the wrong way.

I hope it helps other people as they look at what components they put on their bike.

Yantropov 03-31-14 02:11 PM

Hey guys, here are the parts on my recently purchased mtb. Could you please advise if the parts are on the same level. Price point is $1200 CAD. Thanks

Fork RockShox XC 32 PopLoc
Stem Ghost light AS-DC1 31.8mm
Seatpost Ghost light SP DC
Headset Ghost tapered
Handlebars Ghost Flat light 31.8mm
Front Travel 100mm
Grips/Tape Ghost lock-on
Brakes Shimano M445 (hydraulic disc)
Brake Levers Shimano M445 Disc
Shifters Shimano SLX SL
Derailleur (Front) Shimano SLX
Derailleur (Rear) Shimano XT
Crank + Rings Shimano Deore 42-32-24T
Bottom Bracket Shimano BB-51 BSA
Pedals Ghost Flats
Hub (Front) Shimano Deore
Hub (Rear) Shimano Deore
Cassette SRAM PG 1030 10-speed 11-36T
Spokes DT Industry
Rims Alex XD Sport
Tires Schwalbe Rapid Rob 29 x 2.25
Saddle Ghost 2055

Mountainking7 04-07-14 02:58 AM

This MTB for $375... Good deal?

http://emcar.mu/docs/product/2014_Centurion-_M6.pdf

Frame new Backfire Sport EGG
Fork SR XCT MLO 100
BB Set cartridge bearing
B-Lever Alloy lever
Brake-F V-brake alloy
Brake-R V-brake alloy
Chain KMC Z51
C-Guard attached
Chainwheel Shimano M131 42-34-24 CG
DERA-F Shimano M190
DERA-R Shimano Alivio
Freewheel Shimano CS-HG30-8 11-32
Grip Kraton
H-Bar Rise Alloy 620 Oversize
H-B Stem Ahead Oversize
Head Set Ahead OS
Hub-F Alloy QR
Hub-R Shimano RM30
Pedal MTB Alloy
Rim Centurion Double Alloy
Saddle Centurion Sport
Seat Clamp QR Alloy
Seat Post Alloy 27.2
Shifter-F Shimano EF51-3s
Shifter-R Shimano EF51-8s
Spoke stainless
Tire-F MTB 26*2.1
Tire-R MTB 26*2.1

Sparda 09-19-15 03:41 AM

hello,

as you can see that i am new to here. however, i would like your opinion on what shifters would be best for my bike. So my bike has 3x10 speed and is a mountain bike but i used it for road (like road bike) and also for mountain (forest or such).

I was trying to figure it out which shifters would be best.. so if you have any questions.

and oh by the way. my right shifter broke when i was biking on road because it became quite worn out and so old.

and i have a quick question about SHIMANO M171 48/38/28.... -> is it possible to use SHIMANO M171 48/38/28 with 9 or 10 speed? since we know its only work with 6-7-8 speed accord to online manual instruction of this crankset. I am just curious.

0627Devildog 03-13-16 07:56 PM

Have there been any updates to this hierarchy? I am torn between a GHOST (https://www.rei.com/product/883667/g...-x-4-bike-2016) and a GIANT (Roam 1 (2016) | Giant Bicycles | United States) and it is all coming down to components. Additionally, any suggestions would be appreciated. Been a while since I have been in the bike market.


Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoxoLive (Post 13834028)
This information is for those people who are looking to buy a new bicycle or are wanting to upgrade their old one. Understanding these gradings will give you greater knowledge of what makes a bike the price and style that it is.

MOUNTAIN BIKE PARTS
LEVEL 1 (entry level)
SIS-5 speed/6 speed/7 speed.
ALTUS-7 speed.
ACERA-7 speed/8 speed.
The above (3) are mainly used on bikes that are used on weekends,bike path riding and some commuting bikes.
LEVEL 2
ALIVO-7 speed/8 speed.
DEORE-9 speed.
These (2) are used a lot by people who commute most days as well as for bikes which are ridden on weekends. This componentry is suitable for off road use and is generally a good starting point for racing components.
LEVEL 3
DEORE LX-9 speed.
LX is a very good quality component which is well weighted and designed. LX is mainly used for serious recreation and racing. As well as for those people who want a very stable and strong commuting bike.
LEVEL 4
DEORE XT-9 speed.
XT is once again a very smooth and reliable group set, used on many racebikes as well as top end town bikes. XT is remarkably strong and very durable as well as being a delight to use.2004 saw a big change in LX when the hollow tech 2 crank set was introduced, as well as the introduction of the rapid shift levers
LEVEL 5
DEORE XTR-9 speed.
XTR is predominately used on top end race bikes. It is very light and smooth, however it does require some maintenance as it is such a precision made component.XTR also has the Hollow tech 2 crank set with an awesome disc brake and wheel set being available.
The above groupsets are how the bicycle industry group the qualities of parts, meaning the parts on the bike such as gears, brakes, hubs, cranks etc., to a bike. For example a bicycle with an Alloy frame and ALIVO components will vary in price from $500-$700 depending on the other components such as rims, handle bars, seats and forks.

ROAD BIKE PARTS.
LEVEL 1 (entry level)
SIS.
SORA.
SIS is not found on many road bikes now. However Sora is extremely popular. Many general commuting and entry level road bikes will be Sora equipped. Sora has STI levers and a very reliable gear and braking system, without being too pricey. Sora is a 8 speed group set and will come on bicyles ranged between $700-$1200.
LEVEL 2
Tiagra.
Tiagra is the first road group set that is 9 speed. Tiagra is used a lot by road cyclists that want the reliablity and smoothness of 9 speed without the price tag.
LEVEL 3
105.
This is a very commonly used component set a lot of top road bikes and training bikes will be equipped with 105 as it is exceptionally smooth in its changes and a very durable and reliable group set. 105 is also a 9 speed group set and its body predominantly made of alloy, thus making it very light. People who want good stuff that will last this is it.
LEVEL 4
ULTEGRA.
Once again used a lot for top end racing. Not often used for training bikes, however it is durable enough to do so. Very smooth and very light on its actions. This means changes with little effort.
LEVEL 5
DURA ACE.
The top of the line. Fairly expensive for the general rider.Dura Ace has been converted into a 10 speed system, with massive changes to the levers and crank sets, both so much smoother and lighter to use.

Just for those wondering. :)



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