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    Giant Cypress ST or Giant Escape 2?

    I only have $350. My LBS has the Cypress ST for $299 and the Escape 2 for $399. Is it really worth saving up the extra $ and buying the Escape 2?

    All I will be doing is riding on paved/gravel paths. Nothing serious, just some much needed exercise.

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    Welcome To Bike Forums, Nexium!

    Every bicycle needs a lock and every cyclist needs protective gear!

    1)Will you have enough to spare for these items?

    2)Are you in the fall or winter of your years?

    3)Do you ever plan on commuting anywhere?

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    Thanks for the reply SlimRider

    1) I will have enough for a helmet, heart rate monitor(watch I am thinking) and a U-lock(is this a good one?).
    2) I live in Ohio, so yes I live in a snowy state.
    3) Probably not, I may ride over to the store, which is .5 miles down the road.

    I need double walled rims and I can't tell if the ST has them, here is what I pulled from Giants website.
    Cypress ST below:
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    Rims Giant Alloy
    Hubs Alloy, 36h
    Spokes Stainless Steel
    Tires Kenda 700x38, Multi-Surface


    Oh and one LBS said the Trek 7000 is a much better bike than both the ST and Escape 2.... is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexium View Post
    Thanks for the reply SlimRider

    1) I will have enough for a helmet, heart rate monitor(watch I am thinking) and a U-lock(is this a good one?).
    2) I live in Ohio, so yes I live in a snowy state.
    3) Probably not, I may ride over to the store, which is .5 miles down the road.

    I need double walled rims and I can't tell if the ST has them, here is what I pulled from Giants website.
    Cypress ST below:
    WHEELS
    Rims Giant Alloy
    Hubs Alloy, 36h
    Spokes Stainless Steel
    Tires Kenda 700x38, Multi-Surface


    Oh and one LBS said the Trek 7000 is a much better bike than both the ST and Escape 2.... is this true?
    The Trek 7000 is in no way better than the Giant Escape 2! Considering that the Cypress.ST has a chromoly steel frame, that can be upgraded with better components anytime that you like, and will most likely last longer than either the Trek 7000 or the Giant Escape 2, it's a great bike for just $300. The Cypress.St has components that are comparable to the Trek 7000....

    However, component wise, the Giant Escape 2 is your best bet! The Trek 7000 is not!

    If you plan on keeping this bike for another twenty years or so, then get the Cypress.ST.

    Either can be easily equipped with both rack and fenders, for your traveling convenience.

    Good Luck!

    PS.

    The best U-Lock is the New York Fahgettaboudit. IMHO the OnGuard U-Lock will be just fine for either of your bikes, unless you live in a high theft rate community.
    Last edited by SlimRider; 07-01-12 at 10:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    The Trek 7000 is in no way better than the Giant Escape 2! Considering that the Cypress.ST has a chromoly steel frame, that can be upgrade with better components anytime that you like, and will most likely last longer than either the Trek 7000 or the Giant Escape 2, it's a great bike for just $300. The Cypress.St has components that are comparable to the Trek 7000....

    However, component wise, the Giant Escape 2 is your best bet! The Trek 7000 is not!

    If you plan on keeping this bike for another twenty years or so, then get the Cypress.ST.

    Either can be easily equipped with both rack and fenders, for your traveling convenience.

    Good Luck!

    PS.

    The best U-Lock is the New York Fahgettaboudit. IMHO the OnGuard U-Lock will be just fine for either of your bikes, unless you live in a high theft rate community.
    I live in a good area, but like most cities, there is crime here and there. I avoid the projects/ghetto at all costs lol.(Not to be disrespectful.) I like the escape 2 because of the double wall rims, I am 5'9" and weigh 250lbs so this is the most ideal. What are the cons about the Escape 2? I LOVE the ST because of the price point but upgrading the wheels would cost more than just buying the escape 2. :\

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    I'd go with the Escape for the much better quality rear hub.
    Some of the other components are better quality too.

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    I'd give the nod to the Escape. The Cypress would work for you, but you just might find yourself wanting 'more'.

    Put it this way- both bikes will work for your current intended purpose. However, the Escape is a bit more "futureproof", as in as your fitness and confidence improves, the Escape can be a platform to do longer rides, fitness rides, and even try out some touring.
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    Awesome, I only need to save $60 more! lol... Do LBS ever bargain on the price like car dealerships?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexium View Post
    Awesome, I only need to save $60 more! lol... Do LBS ever bargain on the price like car dealerships?
    A couple of things to note:

    1. Very little margin on bikes- the LBS makes their money off of accessories, parts, and service.
    2. If that Escape 2 is a 2012 model, you're already getting a better deal than other people. Giant doesn't post a MSRP. They post the Average Retail Price that their dealer network is reporting what they are selling the models for. Website says $420 for the Escape 2, you're claiming a price at the LBS of $399.
    3. If you are really sure you want this Escape, you might inquire about any Layaway offerings the LBS may have. Most will have a 20-25% down and 90 days to pay it off.
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    Yeah they have layaway lol. I deliver pizza for a living right now and i get tips every night so I should have enough in the next 2 days! I called and they have 4 mediums in stock on the floor lol.

    What are some things you would upgrade on it first? My guess, the seat. I would eventually put disk brakes on the bike(is it a necessity?) and would like to invest in winter/rain tires for this fall(3 months away).

    I am investing in a heart rate monitor(I found one for $50 at walmart lol) I like the wristwatch style, are those accurate?

    I have a very large head(lol). No helmets in the stores I went to fit me. Suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexium View Post
    I only have $350. My LBS has the Cypress ST for $299 and the Escape 2 for $399. Is it really worth saving up the extra $ and buying the Escape 2?

    All I will be doing is riding on paved/gravel paths. Nothing serious, just some much needed exercise.
    Don't let me influence you.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by nexium View Post
    Yeah they have layaway lol. I deliver pizza for a living right now and i get tips every night so I should have enough in the next 2 days! I called and they have 4 mediums in stock on the floor lol.

    What are some things you would upgrade on it first? My guess, the seat. I would eventually put disk brakes on the bike(is it a necessity?) and would like to invest in winter/rain tires for this fall(3 months away).

    I am investing in a heart rate monitor(I found one for $50 at walmart lol) I like the wristwatch style, are those accurate?

    I have a very large head(lol). No helmets in the stores I went to fit me. Suggestions?
    Saddles and pedals are the first things that usually get swapped out. Don't worry about upgrading components at this time- wait until they need replaced.

    The disc brakes... do you really need them? if you do, then perhaps you need to keep looking. You can convert the Escape to run a disc brake up front, but you'd need a new wheel, fork, rotor, caliper, pad, hub, brake lever... conversions are pricey, unless you have a bunch of parts that you already have laying around.
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    You really should do a search for Escape. There are a half dozen Escape junkies around here. I have two very expensive road bikes but I've had the most fun on the escape which costs 1/3 what the road bikes cost. It can pull like a freight train or it can be pretty quick. The tires on the Escape 2 might already be good enough for many winter scenarios. They will work in the dirt as well.
    I ride my Escape 15 miles everyday during the week and sometimes 40 on the weekends. I've never owned a more comfortable or better shifting bike.
    You asked about upgrades. Take a look at my sig for upgrades I've done to mine. Upgrades are a matter of personal tastes. I use my bike a lot so I put it exactly like I wanted it. In the photos above I have everything on my bike but that was for a photo op. Normally half these options are not on my bike. I mix and match according to today's itinerary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igo View Post
    You really should do a search for Escape. There are a half dozen Escape junkies around here. I have two very expensive road bikes but I've had the most fun on the escape which costs 1/3 what the road bikes cost. It can pull like a freight train or it can be pretty quick. The tires on the Escape 2 might already be good enough for many winter scenarios. They will work in the dirt as well.
    I ride my Escape 15 miles everyday during the week and sometimes 40 on the weekends. I've never owned a more comfortable or better shifting bike.
    You asked about upgrades. Take a look at my sig for upgrades I've done to mine. Upgrades are a matter of personal tastes. I use my bike a lot so I put it exactly like I wanted it. In the photos above I have everything on my bike but that was for a photo op. Normally half these options are not on my bike. I mix and match according to today's itinerary.
    I'm sold. I was leaning towards the Escape a couple of weeks ago. I am almost there financially! It sometimes is disappointing being a delivery driver. No tips = No money lol. Anyways, I will update when I have it!

    Thank you everyone.

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    I LOVE my Cypress ST. It's been very comfortable, reasonably fast and very reliable. The comfort of the Cromoly frame is what decided me. No aluminum vibration for me! I got rid of the pogo-stick seat post and the big saddle, but aside from that all I've done is add lights and a rear fender. I've got about 700 miles on it so far, including a Bicycle Camping Trip for my anniversary. Can't recommend it highly enough.
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    I'm just getting back into riding bicycles again. The last bicycle I bought was a Giant FCR 3. I bought this bicycle in 2008. My FCR looks a lot like the Escape. Is the Escape and FCR the same bike? My Giant FCR has all Shimano components.

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    I'm just getting back into riding bicycles again. The last bicycle I bought was a Giant FCR 3. I bought this bicycle in 2008. My FCR looks a lot like the Escape. Is the Escape and FCR the same bike? My Giant FCR has all Shimano components.

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    Yes, seem to be similar. I would doubt that it's the same exact bike, but both in the same ballpark.

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    I bought the Escape 2 for my son. I'm amazed at how nice it is for the money. It's more of a road bike than a trail bike. With that said take one for a ride. You'll love it. Good luck
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    Sorry for the late reply but I got the Giant Escape 2!!! I LOVE IT!! It rides soooo smooth and handles extremely well.. My butt is hurting though, lol. I rode 6 miles last night and I just got home an hour ago from riding another 6 miles and my rump is sore. Anyone have a suggestion for a reallllly comfy seat?

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    How long have you been riding prior to getting the Escape? It does take a little bit of time to condition/toughen the tissues down there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nexium View Post
    Sorry for the late reply but I got the Giant Escape 2!!! I LOVE IT!! It rides soooo smooth and handles extremely well.. My butt is hurting though, lol. I rode 6 miles last night and I just got home an hour ago from riding another 6 miles and my rump is sore. Anyone have a suggestion for a reallllly comfy seat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
    How long have you been riding prior to getting the Escape? It does take a little bit of time to condition/toughen the tissues down there.
    It has been 13 years since I have rode a bicycle. lol.

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    Congrats on a great choice! You're butt will toughen up, but if the pain persists after a few weeks then you might want to consider a different saddle. There is no magic "perfect saddle", as what one person loves another will hate. Specialized makes good saddles without costing a fortune.

    Were you fitted to the bike properly? A saddle in the wrong position can cause pain as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnicula View Post
    Congrats on a great choice! You're butt will toughen up, but if the pain persists after a few weeks then you might want to consider a different saddle. There is no magic "perfect saddle", as what one person loves another will hate. Specialized makes good saddles without costing a fortune.

    Were you fitted to the bike properly? A saddle in the wrong position can cause pain as well.
    If the pain persists, then go to your nearest Specialized shop and have them measure your sit bones. That number, combined with the style of riding that you do and the terrain that you do it on, will yield a couple of recommendations from them. Might be worth checking out.
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