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    Newbie: Close to purchase

    Hey guys and gals!

    I haven't ridden hardly at all in ten years, and now that I have my daughter riding, I wanted to start again. I had mountain bikes in the past, but I have no intention of ever using trails, and the reason I had them was lack of education on my part.

    I want to ride on the street with the family, and also to exercise on my own for about 30 minutes a day starting out until I can build up some endurance.

    I expect 100% of the riding to be on the road, neighborhoods, sidewalks, greenways, whatever. No trails.

    I have hit up 2 LBS and the local REI and been riding a lot. I have settled on a hybrid. I love the idea of a road bike on paper, because I'm a car guy and enjoy performance cars. But when it comes to bikes, I need something more versatile and laid back. The road bike riding position and drop bars are a deal breaker for me. The 23mm tires are also too narrow on anything but perfect pavement for my tastes. One thing they had going for them is that they are crazy fast and efficient. I want a bike that is efficient so I can ride more distances at greater speed so my exercise routine doesn't make me exhausted in short order (mountain bike).

    To that end, I've ridden these bikes:

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    Roam 2: Way too mountain bikey for me. Tires too wide, don't want or need suspension.
    Escape 0: _Loved_ this bike after riding the Roam. Better efficiency, gearing, speed. 32mm tires.
    Defy 3: (road bike). Fast as blazes, but too hardcore for a guy like me, plus no go since I couldn't ride with my wife and kids.

    After this, the wife road and bought an Escape 2 from this shop. I was happy and placed an Escape 0 for me on order, put down a deposit. (The Escape I rode there was an XL, I need a L).

    I felt pretty good about this bike shop, until...


    Cannondale
    I hit up the local REI to get a helmet and check things out. At this point, I realized that the LBS I had used before didn't give us much love. The REI guys are just normal non-commissioned employees, but did a ton better job of qualifying my needs and ACTUALLY FITTING ME TO THE BIKE. The fact we bought a bike from the other place and they didn't bother to fit my wife kinda pisses me off.

    Quick 4: I didn't like this bike anywhere near as much as the Escape 0. Component list was lower, it felt heavier and clunky in comparison.

    Quick 3: This bike was lighter, rode nicer, and had greater efficiency. I'd say it was extremely close to the Escape 0 in performance, but the Giant dealer is $180 cheaper.


    Specialized
    Just an awesome LBS that carries Specialized and Trek. Althought the shop is bigger, the hands on customer service is exceptional. They were talking about fitting me right away, and said they would change the stem and even the seat if it wasn't what I liked.

    Sirrus Sport: I didn't like this bike much either. The seat was uncomfortable and reminded me of the Quick 4.

    Sirrus Comp: Here's where things get interesting. This bike is a step up in components and has smaller tires (28mm), where the rest had 32mm. It's also the only bike that had 10 speeds out back. The sucky part? They didn't have one in the shop. I shoot straight with the guy helping me, and he offers to bring one in and fit me, $0 charge, no strings attached, and even knows I ordered the Giant already. This place just slays with customer service. Right away, he said he'd come $90 off price, but it's still almost $300 more than the Escape.


    Honestly, I know I will like the Escape, but I want a LBS that will support me and care. The Sirrus Comp won't be here for a couple more days, probably the same day my Escape should arrive. I am excited to ride the Comp because it should be the nicest of the bunch.

    I'll report back soon. If I love the Sirrus, I'll try to talk them down a little more. If I don't think its worth it, I'll make the Giant shop fit me before I leave.

    Thanks for reading my blathering.

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    So you now have ordered two bikes?
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    Not at all.

    The Specialized dealer knows exactly what is going on with the Giant. He is a high volume seller and said they get bikes for store stock that people are interested in all the time without expectation or pressure, and will just put the bike on the showroom floor after I ride it if not interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noize4 View Post
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    I have hit up 2 LBS and the local REI and been riding a lot. I have settled on a hybrid. I love the idea of a road bike on paper, because I'm a car guy and enjoy performance cars. But when it comes to bikes, I need something more versatile and laid back. The road bike riding position and drop bars are a deal breaker for me. The 23mm tires are also too narrow on anything but perfect pavement for my tastes. One thing they had going for them is that they are crazy fast and efficient. I want a bike that is efficient so I can ride more distances at greater speed so my exercise routine doesn't make me exhausted in short order (mountain bike).
    That's a common misconception. I rode mountain bikes in my late 20s to early 30s. When I started biking again in my early 40s, I bought a hybrid, reckoning that the familiar riding position would be more comfortable. I equipped it with bar ends. I found that I became uncomfortable after less than an hour in the saddle. I bought a drop bar road bike. I was FAR more comfortable on it than the hybrid. The reasons are many, but the primary reason for me is the multiple hand positions available. Riding on the flat part of the bar put me in a position that was essentially indifferent from the position of my hybrid and the hybrids you are looking at. Riding on the hoods stretched me out a little more and also allowed me to get pressure on a different place on my hands. Riding the drops allowed me to use my back and abdominal muscles to support some of my weight and took weight off of my sit bones which was a huge comfort factor. Being able to get more aero also conserves energy which equals more comfort.

    Of those bikes you listed, I like the Cannondales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Barnard View Post
    That's a common misconception. I rode mountain bikes in my late 20s to early 30s. When I started biking again in my early 40s, I bought a hybrid, reckoning that the familiar riding position would be more comfortable. I equipped it with bar ends. I found that I became uncomfortable after less than an hour in the saddle. I bought a drop bar road bike. I was FAR more comfortable on it than the hybrid. The reasons are many, but the primary reason for me is the multiple hand positions available. Riding on the flat part of the bar put me in a position that was essentially indifferent from the position of my hybrid and the hybrids you are looking at. Riding on the hoods stretched me out a little more and also allowed me to get pressure on a different place on my hands. Riding the drops allowed me to use my back and abdominal muscles to support some of my weight and took weight off of my sit bones which was a huge comfort factor. Being able to get more aero also conserves energy which equals more comfort.

    Of those bikes you listed, I like the Cannondales.

    Thanks very much for this response!

    If I have really fall in love with the sport, I don't think that a road bike will be out of the question down the road. I am just trying to come in with something conservative that will be most likely to set me up for success.

    Either from dexterity or familiarity, I felt nervous on the road bikes I tried. I'm sure I could adapt, but in addition to what felt like an awkward position, the brakes didn't seem easy to get to for me, and the ride was just plain bad under 10mph, where my wife and kids will surely be riding. Since it needs to serve a dual purpose, the best virtues of a road bike is lost on me at this point.

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    Welcome To Bike Forums, Nozie4!

    You can really have your cake and eat it too, here!

    Why not purchase a road bike and have cross lever brakes set up on it as a part of the purchase deal?

    You can still ride in an upright position, on the hoods, but you'll be within an inch of the brakes, at all times!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimRider View Post
    Welcome To Bike Forums, Nozie4!

    You can really have your cake and eat it too, here!

    Why not purchase a road bike and have cross lever brakes set up on it as a part of the purchase deal?

    You can still ride in an upright position, on the hoods, but you'll be within an inch of the brakes, at all times!


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    Cross Lever Brakes

    If you go thru bikesdirest, then you'll have to pay for it, separately...

    The Schwinn Letour Legacy ~ $800
    www.bikesdirect.com/products/schwinn/schwinn_letour_legacy_xi.htm

    Brakes + Installation < $100
    I quite like that, but still think that when with the wife and kids, a road bike will be painful at slow speeds they will be going. I really want to start with a catch-all hybrid. Thanks for the link and info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noize4 View Post
    I quite like that, but still think that when with the wife and kids, a road bike will be painful at slow speeds they will be going. I really want to start with a catch-all hybrid. Thanks for the link and info!
    Don't pull the trigger until you've test ridden the Coda Comp!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noize4 View Post
    I quite like that, but still think that when with the wife and kids, a road bike will be painful at slow speeds they will be going. I really want to start with a catch-all hybrid. Thanks for the link and info!
    This is so true! I am not a pro cycler by any means, but when I visited my sister in either Boston or NY, I would rent out a bike and ride around with her. She always had her cruiser, and I would usually end up with a hybrid or a road bike from the rental shop. Suffice to say, it was a PIA to keep breaking behind her (since I was supposed to follow), or keep slowing down, because her friggin' cruiser just went so slow compared to the rental shop bikes. If cruising around with the family is going to be a main thing for this bike, this is a completely valid issue and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

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    I agree with SlimRider. Test out the Coda Comp before you hit the trigger. I'm hoping it works out for you! If anything, I'd see if I could cancel that Giant order at the first store, since so much of a bike purchase has to do with getting fitted and adjusting the bike after. You don't want to be doing that stuff all on your own, just starting out. If you really love the Escape 0 see if you can get it elsewhere that has better service, because the first store guys sound like asshats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BijouBikeNoob View Post
    I agree with SlimRider. Test out the Coda Comp before you hit the trigger. I'm hoping it works out for you! If anything, I'd see if I could cancel that Giant order at the first store, since so much of a bike purchase has to do with getting fitted and adjusting the bike after. You don't want to be doing that stuff all on your own, just starting out. If you really love the Escape 0 see if you can get it elsewhere that has better service, because the first store guys sound like asshats.
    Thanks for the advice. The only LBS that has Jamis is the same one that I'm having issues with. They don't have any Codas in stock.

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    The new (and only) Jamis dealer in town told me that there were no more 2012 Coda Sport (base model) to be had through his distributor. I imagine the first batch of the '13 models should be hitting the port to be loaded on to a ship any day now.

    But don't be too hasty to judge the Giant shop. A simple eyes on assessment, when done by knowledgeable staff, can yield good results. Besides, those guys at REI might've been bored or needed the practice.

    If you like that Escape, but not the shop that has it, you don't have to let them work on it.
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    What, no Trek? The FX 7.5 might be a fair comparison to Sirrus Comp. I don't know what your finances are like, but consider this.... purchase a lower priced hybrid now for family oriented rides, reserve some of that savings for a road bike in the future. From your posts, you seem like someone who is going to outgrow the hybrid in six months. The Sirrus Comp is a great looking bike, BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a1penguin View Post
    What, no Trek? The FX 7.5 might be a fair comparison to Sirrus Comp. I don't know what your finances are like, but consider this.... purchase a lower priced hybrid now for family oriented rides, reserve some of that savings for a road bike in the future. From your posts, you seem like someone who is going to outgrow the hybrid in six months. The Sirrus Comp is a great looking bike, BTW.

    The 7.5 is a 9 speed, but costs the same as the Sirrus Comp. I felt like I might get a little more bang for my buck if I went with the Specialized. The 7.6 is mighty fine, but it's out of my price range.

    I definitely feel you on the lower priced hybrid, because even if I do a transformation and want a road bike later on, I'll keep the hybrid. it just makes sense for most of what I'll be doing.

    Hope to come to a decision today or tomorrow. Leaning toward the Giant unless that Specialized ride is spectacular.

    Thanks everyone for the replies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noize4 View Post
    The 7.5 is a 9 speed, but costs the same as the Sirrus Comp. I felt like I might get a little more bang for my buck if I went with the Specialized. The 7.6 is mighty fine, but it's out of my price range.

    I definitely feel you on the lower priced hybrid, because even if I do a transformation and want a road bike later on, I'll keep the hybrid. it just makes sense for most of what I'll be doing.

    Hope to come to a decision today or tomorrow. Leaning toward the Giant unless that Specialized ride is spectacular.

    Thanks everyone for the replies!
    I would also suggest the Giant Rapid series. The Rapid 1 compares to a Sirrus Comp. But the biggest bang for the buck is in the Rapid 3. Great bike for someone looking to later get into a road bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afdica View Post
    I would also suggest the Giant Rapid series. The Rapid 1 compares to a Sirrus Comp. But the biggest bang for the buck is in the Rapid 3. Great bike for someone looking to later get into a road bike.

    This LBS/Giant dealer that I am interested in, I told them I'd really like to see a Rapid 3, and they told me it was a waste. They said at that point to just get a dedicated drop bar road bike. I was kind of disappointed, because I felt that I should be able to ride it and make the decision for myself. Still no word from this shop on the Escape I ordered.

    The Sirrus was supposed to show up today at the other shop, but did not. They got all the other bikes but that one. At least this guy is staying in communication with me, which I really like. The other one is about to lose my business on principle alone.

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    Rode the Sirrus Comp today. To me, it's in a whole different league. So much lighter and faster. Rode the Escape 0 right after (across town).

    I am now the proud owner of a Sirrus Comp! Thanks everyone for the suggestions, comments, and help. I'll post pics later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noize4 View Post
    Rode the Sirrus Comp today. To me, it's in a whole different league. So much lighter and faster. Rode the Escape 0 right after (across town).

    I am now the proud owner of a Sirrus Comp! Thanks everyone for the suggestions, comments, and help. I'll post pics later.

    Congrats, Nozie4!

    Yeeaaay for Nozie4 and his brand new Sirrus Comp!

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    The Sirrus is a popular bike here. Good choice!
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    Thanks for the advice. I got a lot from this.

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    I bought 3 new bikes this year. A Giant Defy 2, a Trek 2.1 and the Giant Escape 1. The Defy was stolen but all 3, including the Hybrid (Escape 1) have made many laps around the River Mountain Trail at 36 miles each plus 4 miles that took me to the trail.
    I paid $1150 for the Defy. I paid $130 for the Trek. I paid $450 for the Escape. The Escape gets more action than the other 2. It is the most practical and most universal bike I have ever owned. Now, I prefer to take the stripped down road bike on my 40+ mile rides in full kit but for commuting or hauling a couple sandwiches and a baseball cap around the road bike is the wrong bike. And poking around for 30 minutes with the wife and kids is something you are not going to participate in if you have to go full kit every time you want to ride with your kid around the block. My Escape is hugely enjoyable. It is rock solid and mechanically smooth as silk. If you are on the fence, buy the $400 bike. You'll love it. If you don't, save for the road bike, sell the hybrid for $300, count your losses and buy the roadie.
    I ride my Escape 15 miles everyday. I gain a scant 450 elevation on the way to work in the mornings and coast home in the hot afternoons. I haul lunches and clothes and electronics with it. I call it my pickup truck. I put some add-ons on it. None because I though they were cool, all were for function and I even had to change my mind on a couple of those things but now the Escape is the bike I can park my cars with. It is the bike I can take across town on the buss then zig zag my way home on all day. It is my stay out from sun up to sun down bike. It feels like an old friend. Take a look at my add-ons list aaaand see if some of this might also be right for you.
    Now when you are ready to get in a groove and pound out the miles at haste, a sub 20 pound road bike with no resistance road tires is the only way. I absolutely love mine and have seen 40+ mph on the hills. I love it as much as the hybrid but purly for the functionality and sense of "Saturday in the park" the Escape wins hands down.
    By the way, I am thrilled that the Eswcape has been coming on so strongly of late. When I came here you didn't hear much about it. But there is another bike that is very close to the Escape that is hugely popular here and that is the Trek FX 7.2 or 7.3. They also have great value for the buck and ergos almost identical to the Giant.

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    Thanks for the info, Igo. I sent you a visitor message a bit back, but maybe you didn't get it. II didn't have enough posts to do a private message, sorry about that. I almost went with the Escape 0, but back to back I liked the Sirrus better.

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