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Old 02-25-13, 09:36 PM   #1
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Please help me choose my bike! $1000 budget

My budget is less than $1000. I am a male, 24 years old, and fairly tall 6'2" 210 lbs.

This will be my everyday bike as I do not own any others. I want a bike that is a blast to ride, I might commute on this bike but if I did it would be less than 2 miles to my University per day. I have other means of transportation so the purpose of this bike is really just a hobby, which is why I want something that is FUN to ride. I think most of my time will be spent on the road with some urban mountainbiking type stuff. Here's a video or two show you the type of riding I think I would be doing. Maybe some light trials.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4q87Foqrrc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuaXRIkIf8A

I wasn't sure if I should post here or in the mountain biking section, but I'm really torn about which type of bike to buy. Please help me decide which direction to take.

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a mountain bike suitable for trials riding is $$$$$, way out of your budget. so are even halfway decent full suspension mountain bikes, they start around $2000 now and most of them are over $3000.

trials bikes also aren't very good as commuters. they are geared very low for slow motion stunting, their seat is extremely low for the same reason.

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Look no farther.. http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...trailelitedisc
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Now that's what I had in mind, that is a slick looking bike. I can't see the price on my tablet, how much does that model cost?
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Now that's what I had in mind, that is a slick looking bike. I can't see the price on my tablet, how much does that model cost?
MSRP is 999.00
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Ok, thank you. Is this bike able to handle the type of riding in the first video? More punishment? Less punishment? I'm just trying to get a gauge of the mountain bike capabilities versus its road capabilities.
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a 210 lb rider going down stairs is going to trash wheels on almost any bike.

the crosstrail is a hybrid with a mediocre suspension fork, its suitable for easy terrain and bike paths, not for mountain trails and obstacles.


this is more of a hard tail mountain bike, and has a little bit beefier fork
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...ckhoppercomp29

for hucking down stairs and urban 'trials' kind of riding, you want something more like
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...eries/pstreet2
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Not to be difficult - but no-one I know in this city (Montreal, which has some major universities) would consider driving a $1,000 bike to school unless they work there and can bring it into their office. Otherwise biking to school would cost about $2,000/week based on how fast the bike would get stolen.

The normal strategy us to own a beater bike for places you absolutely must lock up a bike unattended and to save the good bike for the rest of the time.
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Ok, thank you. Is this bike able to handle the type of riding in the first video? More punishment? Less punishment? I'm just trying to get a gauge of the mountain bike capabilities versus its road capabilities.
It should be perfect for everything but the stairs stunt, but you said mostly road riding... & Burton has a point about riding a bike like that to school, that's why I have my Trek SU 2.0, it does say Trek, but you have to look close. rs
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a 210 lb rider going down stairs is going to trash wheels on almost any bike.

the crosstrail is a hybrid with a mediocre suspension fork, its suitable for easy terrain and bike paths, not for mountain trails and obstacles.


this is more of a hard tail mountain bike, and has a little bit beefier fork
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...ckhoppercomp29

for hucking down stairs and urban 'trials' kind of riding, you want something more like
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...eries/pstreet2
Ok thank you, that really helps. Out of the two you posted I think the rockhopper is a better fit for me than the P.Street 2. I am going to my LBS when it opens today to test the CrossTrail and Rockhopper. I'll see what feels the best and report back.

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Not to be difficult - but no-one I know in this city (Montreal, which has some major universities) would consider driving a $1,000 bike to school unless they work there and can bring it into their office. Otherwise biking to school would cost about $2,000/week based on how fast the bike would get stolen.

The normal strategy us to own a beater bike for places you absolutely must lock up a bike unattended and to save the good bike for the rest of the time.
Ya that's true, I guess I just give people the benefit of the doubt. I didn't really even consider people trying to steal my bike on campus. I guess I could always buy a cheap bike on craigslist and convert it to a fixed gear if I find myself wanting to commute to campus on a bike. Thanks for brining that to my attention.

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Ok thank you, that really helps. Out of the two you posted I think the rockhopper is a better fit for me then the P.Street 2. I am going to my LBS when it opens today to test the CrossTrail and Rockhopper. I'll see what feels the best and report back.



Ya that's true, I guess I just give people the benefit of the doubt. I didn't really even consider people trying to steal my bike on campus. I guess I could always buy a cheap bike on craigslist and convert it to a fixed gear if I find myself wanting to commute to campus on a bike. Thanks for brining that to my attention.

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If I were you I would buy the Pstreet and a beater fixie off CL to chain up outside of class.
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Another question I have is in regards to the CrossTrail Elite Disc vs Comp Disc. Is the extra money worth it for the Comp? I was comparing the specs online and didn't really understand what makes the following components better on the Comp: front derailleur, rear derailleur, shift levers, and cassette. Does anyone care to explain that? Thanks.

Also for anyone else who is in the same boat you might want to check out this other thread I found. It has helped me a lot to see how he thought through his decision logically to find a bike that works for him.
http://forums.mtbr.com/clydesdales-t...il-282025.html
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a 210 lb rider going down stairs is going to trash wheels on almost any bike.

the crosstrail is a hybrid with a mediocre suspension fork, its suitable for easy terrain and bike paths, not for mountain trails and obstacles.


this is more of a hard tail mountain bike, and has a little bit beefier fork
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...ckhoppercomp29

for hucking down stairs and urban 'trials' kind of riding, you want something more like
http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...eries/pstreet2
+1000 on the pstreet, pierce.
OP, if you're going to do it, get the right bike and do it right! Aspirational example below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbC5yVqOdI
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The Crosstrail is really a nice, fun, bike, leaning more to road than hard trails/steps/curbs. But then, aren't they all? It is a Hybrid, that likes to go fast. And, YES, it is almost always better to get the better componentry with the better models, especially when new. No bikes like to be abused, so it's almost always better to walk it when you need to. My Crosstrail has been a very capable, do it all, bike. The 700 sized wheels do make a difference. One thing I wish I have, is disc brakes.
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+1000 on the pstreet, pierce.
OP, if you're going to do it, get the right bike and do it right! Aspirational example below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShbC5yVqOdI
He is such a great rider, his other video is what really inspired me to start riding a bike again. I think that I will stick with the CrossTrail for now and if I find myself wanting something more aggressive I can always upgrade in the future and keep the CrossTrail for my everyday bike. But the pstreet does look like a nice bike, unfortunately my LBS didn't have it in stock to try out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o
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He is such a great rider, his other video is what really inspired me to start riding a bike again. I think that I will stick with the CrossTrail for now and if I find myself wanting something more aggressive I can always upgrade in the future and keep the CrossTrail for my everyday bike. But the pstreet does look like a nice bike, unfortunately my LBS didn't have it in stock to try out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o
True that! Amazing, really. I'm an old man, and have enough trouble staying upright on singletrack (mostly ride road these days), but I love watching skilled trials/street riders.
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the pstreet is a totally specialized bike (adjective, not brand), intended for strictly 'hucking' and street tricks and such. the seat is so low that you can't really sit on it.

frankly, I have to concur with the sentiment above, if this bike's primary purpose is school commuting, pick u a $100-200 bike off craigslist, a ratty anonymous looking older mountain bike, like an older Rockhopper... new chain, cables, brake pads, new tires if needed, and maybe a newer seat, and chain THAT to the campus bike racks.


oh, re those Trials videos... I bet for every 'plant' you see on that video, there were 5-10 oops that got editted out.

I watched a guy practicing the rail hop... ride on top of one railroad track, pause, and hop over to the other while doing a 180... he spent an HOUR doing this over and over and over, and only landed twice clean.
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Of course if nobody has the Specialized dealership in your town that creates logistic problems for service.

If you go to a Bike shop you can test ride what they have, all else if the size you need is not there ,
it only takes a week to fill in size holes in the inventory.


29ers have the ability to fit narrower tires, But a hybrid may not have
the clearances needed to fit a wider tire.
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indeed, and Specialized is one of the more expensive brands. I like their bikes, they fit me well, but the companies 'our way or no way' mentality has been ugly, they've recently been encouraging their dealers to be Specialized only, which greatly limits availability of the smaller brands, as well as other brands of accessories.

you definitely can get a better deal from one of the 2nd tier brands, such as Raleigh, Kona, Jamis, etc. The top tier [*] full line brands of Trek, Specialized, and Giant tend to charge a premium (Giant, less so as they are actually a primary manufacturer, the others are all contract manufactured).

I really like Surly bikes too, these are a brand sold either as bikes or frame-only by one of the biggest /distributors/ in the bicycle busiiness, QBP. A Surly "Ogre" would actually be perfect for what you want if you're a big dude, you could customize build one for speed or ruggedness based on the wheelset and stuff you choose.



I'd also say, if you're in the vicinity of 6' or taller, I'd go 700c/29er for sure (29er is really just wider and sturdier 700c wheels with mountain tires instead of road.... hybrid 700c are usually in the middle between the skinny tire pure road racing/touring bikes, and the all out mountain bikes). OTOH, if you're a shorter person, say 5'7" or less, then you may well be better off on 26" wheels. if you're really short, even smaller.


[*] before this is misconstrued, by 'top tier', I'm only including the full line brands with nation-wide distribution. If you want a top end mountain bike, I'd suggest smaller brands like Santa Cruz make better products, ditto racing bikes, etc.

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210lbs,2mi commute,locking up at uni,riding down stairs...no,you don't want a hybrid. You want a BMX bike. Get a long enough seatpost that you can ride it normal and it'll do everything you want without disintegrating or disappearing from the bike rack.
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indeed, and Specialized is one of the more expensive brands. I like their bikes, they fit me well, but the companies 'our way or no way' mentality has been ugly, they've recently been encouraging their dealers to be Specialized only, which greatly limits availability of the smaller brands, as well as other brands of accessories.

you definitely can get a better deal from one of the 2nd tier brands, such as Raleigh, Kona, Jamis, etc. The top tier [*] full line brands of Trek, Specialized, and Giant tend to charge a premium (Giant, less so as they are actually a primary manufacturer, the others are all contract manufactured).

I really like Surly bikes too, these are a brand sold either as bikes or frame-only by one of the biggest /distributors/ in the bicycle busiiness, QBP. A Surly "Ogre" would actually be perfect for what you want if you're a big dude, you could customize build one for speed or ruggedness based on the wheelset and stuff you choose.



I'd also say, if you're in the vicinity of 6' or taller, I'd go 700c/29er for sure (29er is really just wider and sturdier 700c wheels with mountain tires instead of road.... hybrid 700c are usually in the middle between the skinny tire pure road racing/touring bikes, and the all out mountain bikes). OTOH, if you're a shorter person, say 5'7" or less, then you may well be better off on 26" wheels. if you're really short, even smaller.

[*] before this is misconstrued, by 'top tier', I'm only including the full line brands with nation-wide distribution. If you want a top end mountain bike, I'd suggest smaller brands like Santa Cruz make better products, ditto racing bikes, etc.
Thanks for your reply, I will definitely keep all of those options you mentioned in mind. At the LBS I test rode a couple different bikes, out of them all I really felt most comfortable/had the most fun on the Crosstrail. I liked how it was nimble and quick compared to some of the bikes more geared towards mountain biking. They didn't have it in my size so they ordered a CrossTrail Elite in my size (i think 21") and it should be here Friday or Saturday. I will test ride it when it gets in and if all goes well will hopefully buy it.

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210lbs,2mi commute,locking up at uni,riding down stairs...no,you don't want a hybrid. You want a BMX bike. Get a long enough seatpost that you can ride it normal and it'll do everything you want without disintegrating or disappearing from the bike rack.
Thanks for your reply, but I don't think I am looking for a bmx bike. I want a good all around bike and I feel like a BMX kind of limits what I can do.
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ok, well, do yourself and your bike a favor, ride around stairs, not down them
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In the bay area, there are TONS of mountain bikes on craigslist, which supply and demand means they are reasonably priced. If you are going to be parking it outside at a university, a used bike will blend in well with the other bikes instead of screaming "take me". If your budget is $1000, perhaps you can find a $100 crap used bike for commuting to the U and an $800 used MTB for weekend FUN rides.
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