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    Frozen newb needs some help - Anyone! Please!!! HEEEEELP!!!

    Hello all,

    Thank you for stopping in.

    Questions - What do you suggest?:
    1. Option 1: Diamondback 2013 Insight 2 with a 17" medium frame for $460.
    2. Option 2: Diamondback 2014 Insight 2 with an 18" medium frame for $490.
    3. Option 3: Trek 7.4 FX 2013 with 17.5" medium frame for $670 (with specs shown below)
    4. Other?


    Observations:
    • By what I've read on the forums, everyone loves the Treks, especially the 7.3 FX. There must be a good reason for that.
    • The Trek has the better fork and the additional speed. Check.
    • Are the Diamondback derailleurs better the Treks? What about the other components?


    Trek 7.4 FX Specs:
    Specification Description
    Frame.............Trek FX Alpha Gold Series aluminum
    Fork............... Bontrager Nebula, carbon
    Rims/Wheels.... Bontrager Nebula
    Hubs.............. Front aluminum; Rear: Shimano RM30
    Tires.............. Bontrager Race All-Weather Hardcase, 700 x 32c
    Crankset......... Shimano Acera
    Chainrings....... 48/36/26
    Front Derailleur.Shimano Altus
    Rear Derailleur. Shimano Deore
    Rear Cogs...... .Shimano, 9-speed: 11-32
    Shifters.......... Shimano Acera
    Handlebars.......Bontrager Satellite Plus IsoZone
    Tape/Grips...... Bontrager Satellite IsoZone Elite
    Stem............. Bontrager SSR
    Brake Levers... Shimano Acera
    Brakes............ Tektro linear-pull
    Pedals............ Nylon platform
    Saddle........... Bontrager H1
    Seatpost........ Bontrager Nebula


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    Miscellaneous info:

    Me:
    I live in Brooklyn, New York, 50 years old, About to start up my exercise regimen again and want to incorporate cycling. I'm 5' 9.5", 175lbs, with a 30" inseam.

    I want to bike for health reasons. There is a paved bike path nearby which is where I intend to start. Once I'm feeling up to it, I would also like to take longer trips throughout the New York city boroughs.

    I started by looking at Road Bikes. After the sticker shock wore off, I convinced myself that a performance hybrid is probably the way to go because 1) New York streets are not always very forgiving, and 2) I assumed a road bike might not be conducive to a rack and panniers. I would like to keep below $700.

    Any advice welcomed. Thanks.
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    If that's the price for a new Trek 7.4... that's a pretty sweet price.

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    It is, but the deal ends on the 24th. I'll take it that's a vote for the 7.4 from you. Thanks.

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    Welcome to the Forums

    1. Not everyone is enamored with Trek.
    2. You were right in your observation that you'll likely not find a new road bike that fits your intended budget.
    3. The Insights have 8 spd cassettes and the Trek has a 9 spd and the RD on the Trek is better.

    Ride them all and go with the one that fits you the best- fit is crucial, as components can be swapped out easily enough.
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    get a road bike. you'll want one soon anyway. black and white. buy at local bike shop

    http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/bikes/model/defy.5/14807/66177/#specifications



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    What no1mad said - buy the one that you like riding the best. Take as long a test ride as you can on each of the bikes. If the shop doesn't allow test rides, skip it
    http://treadrightly.blogspot.com/

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    no offense, but terrible advice.

    he's a newb.

    he can't test ride it.

    rule 58

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    hes 50 years old and says hes starting up his exercise regiment again. I made assumptions.
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    Trek! The cost difference up front will be made up when it is trade in or sale time.
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    It was a fine assumption. Two years off from strength training (lost 20 lbs of muscle - YIKES!), but still in good shape.

    My first consideration was a road bikes and I have gone back and forth since. The decision to go with a hybrid is based on the assumption that you cannot put a bike rack and panniers on a road bike, should I choose to carry stuff with me. If that's an ignorant assumption, then the road bikes may be back on the table. I'll take a look at the ones suggested here. The one caveat, in addition to double_stuf's point that I can't test them, is that I've read nightmare stories about BikesDirect and so as a newb, I'm a tad reluctant.
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    Thank you all so very much!!!

    I just got back from a LBS and found the Trek 7.4 FX selling for $800. I showed them the competitions advertised price for $616 and they agreed to match it. oddjob2's comment can not be ignored!

    I'll go back in tomorrow to take a test drive and if there is a love connection, I'll take'er home.

    I'm about to head over to another LBS that carries Giant to see if they have the Defy 5 double_stuf suggested, although as a newb I'm still leaning towards the hybrid, more so at the price point of this 7.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocialZoo View Post
    It was a fine assumption. Two years off from strength training (lost 20 lbs of muscle - YIKES!), but still in good shape.

    My first consideration was a road bikes and I have gone back and forth since. The decision to go with a hybrid is based on the assumption that you cannot put a bike rack and panniers on a road bike, should I choose to carry stuff with me. If that's an ignorant assumption, then the road bikes may be back on the table. I'll take a look at the ones suggested here. The one caveat, in addition to double_stuf's point that I can't test them, is that I've read nightmare stories about BikesDirect and so as a newb, I'm a tad reluctant.
    I had originally bought a trek 7100 multi track and it was ok but tended to have problems with the rear wheel... decided what I wanted was a road bike and bought a "bikes direct" bike (dawes lightning sport)...
    its a bit old school as it was not top of the line (it had stem shifters, 2 x 7 speeds)... but I loved that bike, I did modify the fit (as I do any road bike, I raised the handle bars) and I am still using that bike but not during the winter, I decided to also fix that rear wheel and am using that as my winter bike...

    oh and the road bike did have eyelets for rack, and I use race blades for the fenders (you can get full coverage race blade type of fenders that strap on)

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    $700 price range? I'd have to vote for the Jamis Coda Comp.
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    Have ridden road bikes and road tandems since 1975.
    Yes, have put panniers on all of them.
    However buy what you like and make sure it fits properly.
    Most bikes in that price range are made in some big factory in China; maybe see what's available in the used market.

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    @ RonH: Good call! I'll try that one on for size as well. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocialZoo View Post
    I'm about to head over to another LBS that carries Giant to see if they have the Defy 5 double_stuf suggested, although as a newb I'm still leaning towards the hybrid, more so at the price point of this 7.4.
    YMMV,but you couldn't pay me to ride a bike with a straight blade alloy fork and skinny high pressure tires around NYC. And you're not going to go any wider than 28's on that bike. The Diamondbacks also have alloy forks,but can at least take decent width tires.

    I do have mild carpel tunnel,so as I said,YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocialZoo View Post
    Hello all,

    Thank you for stopping in.

    Questions - What do you suggest?:
    1. Option 1: Diamondback 2013 Insight 2 with a 17" medium frame for $460.
    2. Option 2: Diamondback 2014 Insight 2 with an 18" medium frame for $490.
    3. Option 3: Trek 7.4 FX 2013 with 17.5" medium frame for $670 (with specs shown below)
    4. Other?


    Observations:
    • By what I've read on the forums, everyone loves the Treks, especially the 7.3 FX. There must be a good reason for that.
    • The Trek has the better fork and the additional speed. Check.
    • Are the Diamondback derailleurs better the Treks? What about the other components?


    Trek 7.4 FX Specs:
    Specification Description
    Frame.............Trek FX Alpha Gold Series aluminum
    Fork............... Bontrager Nebula, carbon
    Rims/Wheels.... Bontrager Nebula
    Hubs.............. Front aluminum; Rear: Shimano RM30
    Tires.............. Bontrager Race All-Weather Hardcase, 700 x 32c
    Crankset......... Shimano Acera
    Chainrings....... 48/36/26
    Front Derailleur.Shimano Altus
    Rear Derailleur. Shimano Deore
    Rear Cogs...... .Shimano, 9-speed: 11-32
    Shifters.......... Shimano Acera
    Handlebars.......Bontrager Satellite Plus IsoZone
    Tape/Grips...... Bontrager Satellite IsoZone Elite
    Stem............. Bontrager SSR
    Brake Levers... Shimano Acera
    Brakes............ Tektro linear-pull
    Pedals............ Nylon platform
    Saddle........... Bontrager H1
    Seatpost........ Bontrager Nebula


    ----------------------------------------
    Miscellaneous info:

    Me:
    I live in Brooklyn, New York, 50 years old, About to start up my exercise regimen again and want to incorporate cycling. I'm 5' 9.5", 175lbs, with a 30" inseam.

    I want to bike for health reasons. There is a paved bike path nearby which is where I intend to start. Once I'm feeling up to it, I would also like to take longer trips throughout the New York city boroughs.

    I started by looking at Road Bikes. After the sticker shock wore off, I convinced myself that a performance hybrid is probably the way to go because 1) New York streets are not always very forgiving, and 2) I assumed a road bike might not be conducive to a rack and panniers. I would like to keep below $700.

    Any advice welcomed. Thanks.
    I think your logic is sound.

    As a resident of Bay Ridge, some of the city streets of Brooklyn aren't design for street bikes.

    I know you mentioned that this bike is primarily for fitness, but NYC is a great place to use a commuter bike. Get the rack for sure.

    Get something that is comfortable and fits you.

    If they say the sale expires, *&^%'em. There will be plenty of other choices and LBS are more than willing to wheel and deal as you found out.

    Think of all the $ you will save by not riding the train and all the exercise benefits when you go to make a purchase.

    The bike will pay for itself in a few months.

    You might want to check this out http://www.nycbikemaps.com

    THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Italia1970; 12-20-13 at 04:02 PM.

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    @ Italia1970:

    I too am a Bay Ridge Resident (Howdy Neighbor!) I've been in Brooklyn since 2005 but because of my former schedule, am still a newby to the borough.


    My plan is to start riding on the shore path. Eventually I'll press towards Coney Island. Once comfortable, I'll venture further.


    Questions for you:
    1. Are there other bike paths you would recommend?
    2. Do you know of any bike "clubs" in Brooklyn to join when I'm ready to be challenged?


    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocialZoo View Post
    @ Italia1970:

    I too am a Bay Ridge Resident (Howdy Neighbor!) I've been in Brooklyn since 2005 but because of my former schedule, am still a newby to the borough.


    My plan is to start riding on the shore path. Eventually I'll press towards Coney Island. Once comfortable, I'll venture further.


    Questions for you:
    1. Are there other bike paths you would recommend?
    2. Do you know of any bike "clubs" in Brooklyn to join when I'm ready to be challenged?


    Thanks again.
    1) The path you mentioned is the closest as it's awesome to ride when it's warm with the ocean and wind. Also, Coney Island in the Summer has free fireworks shows every Friday night in the Summer and I used to ride there as well.

    2) I am not connected to any clubs and would be little help, as I am still making my bones, not retired, and haven't taken the time to research.

    Just remember, all these shops will wheel and deal, and don't be afraid to pit 1 LBS against another. You will get a sweet deal on the bike(s) you are considering. Ride every possible choice a few times, if that means you wait until Spring, so be it. There is no rush unless you want to ride in the Winter. The LAST thing you want to do is buy something without really trying it out a couple times on the same surface you will ride on for your workouts, and then figuring out it isn't what you want.

    Just for the hell of it, you might want to check out the Trek DS 8.3 or 8.4. It's more of a hybrid bike as opposed to the FX fitness bike, but can handle the bumps of the streets a little better, even though this line won't be as fast.

    Lastly after you test drive a few bikes and know what you want, you might consider buying used of craigslist. This will cut the price of the bike in half. Also it will give you a better idea of what you really want so when you go to buy a new one, you will have a much better idea based on your initial experience. You should be able to resell the used bike for close to what you paid for it.
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    Are the Diamondback derailleurs better the Treks? What about the other components?

    Neither company make their own derailleurs , they [through their contract factories],
    buy them in bulk to assembly line fit them to the frames .

    the companies that Do make the derailleurs , in fact all the component choices are Price based.

    and for example Shimano a huge component manufacturer , makes about a dozen different component sets .

    at various different price points..

    What you spend for the bike determines how expensive all the parts that are used to assemble it,
    are costing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonH View Post
    $700 price range? I'd have to vote for the Jamis Coda Comp.
    +1

    Great advice!

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    Unless no shops sell them anywhere the guy lives (BTW Taiwan, a contract factory, makes those, too)

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    I'll vote for a hybrid over a road bike. I have both and spend much more time on the hybrid. The road bike is faster, but it needs smooth roads. The hybrid has all kinds of stuff on it (panniers, trunk bag, fenders, lock, etc.) that make it great for riding all over town and bringing stuff home. If you have a Giant dealer close, check out the Escape City. It's $550 list price and I can't find anything I like as much for that price.

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