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Old 07-11-14, 03:09 PM   #1
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Trek 7.7 vs Giant RX Composite vs should i just get a road bike?

first, thank for any advice here. Brief background...mountain biker previously, never have owned a road bike, major accident 3 years ago made me give it up pretty much. 2 years ago purchased a Trek 7.5fx for fitness. Hooked again, do 2-4 rides, 30-50miles, 2-3.5k elevation per week in San Jose area, mostly on paved trails to road climbs with very low traffic. 6'3 190lbs but do love to climb and for my size, do pretty well against all my "little" friends on their carbon road bikes. .

Anyways, "everyone" has a carbon bike and love them so I'm thinking of an upgrade. anything in the $1.5-2.5k range basically. older so not really interested in learning to ride a road bike but wondering if I should just take that leap? LBS seems to think so but others are like if you like the hybrid setup, stick with it. any recommendations b/n what I see are the best 2 carbon hybrids on the market, trek 7.7 and Giant Composite? Am I missing some others? or should i just take the leap to a road bike?

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Old 07-11-14, 03:21 PM   #2
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IMHO, go for the road bike. With the Trek, at least, you're about 90% of the way there. I'd be looking for a nice lightweight aluminum or carbon frame drop bar with a 105 groupset for that price. I've been able to test ride the Madone 2 series and the Specialized Tarmac and Roubaix. For me, the Roubaix was the most comfortable, but the Madone 2 is a really nice frame for the price. Didn't care for the Tarmac too much.
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There's not anything to really learn in riding a road bike, save for the different shifters. More a matter of getting comfortable with drop bars and different geometry / riding position.

What type of riding are you doing that makes you think you should get a road bike?

Have you tried taking a road bike for an extended ride?
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I looked at both the Trek 7.7 and the Giant Escape carbon bikes. Ended up buying the Specialized Sirrus Comp Carbon Disc for $1600 at a LBS. Very happy with the choice, it's plenty fast for me. I only ride paved smooth trails.
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I would rather be on a lighter and fully rigid Hybrid with a triple crankset if I was constantly climbing or descending. On flat roads, a Road bike is better, due to superior aerodynamics.
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Old 07-11-14, 06:49 PM   #6
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Fitness hybrids ARE flat bar road bikes. Some people hate a drop bar road bike or can't ride one so flat bar road bikes have exploded in popularity. People go out on fast rides with them and even do mild off-road riding.

They do virtually everything a road bike can do and a bit more. They are lighter and faster than comfort hybrids. Many people would consider them a true hybrid bike.
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If you are keeping the 7.5FX, I would definitely get the road bike!
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I have one of each and enjoy the variety. I get bored if I ride the same style of bike all the time. Sometimes you want to lay low on the road bike sometimes you don't.
I just ride the road bike for kicks around the local park, my neck and shoulders are good for 1.5 hrs on one and its time to go home, but its still enjoyable.

Between those 2 you posted I would get the Trek 7.7. Reason- fits me better.

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I think you need to decide if you will be comfortable on a bike with drop bars, see how you find the steering at various speeds and angles.

Now as you already have a pretty good hybrid to begin with, I wonder how much better you would feel with simply a better hybrid also with a flat bar.

Would you get a better experience from a bike that has disc brakes, for fast descents?
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I think you need to decide if you will be comfortable on a bike with drop bars, see how you find the steering at various speeds and angles.

Now as you already have a pretty good hybrid to begin with, I wonder how much better you would feel with simply a better hybrid also with a flat bar.

Would you get a better experience from a bike that has disc brakes, for fast descents?
I'm with you for the most part. I agree that it is essential that he try out some road bikes for extended rides and find out if he is comfortable with the different riding position before buying one. Certainly the more endurance-oriented road bikes are an easier transition from a hybrid in terms of riding position than the more race-oriented bikes. But contrary to the assumption of some on this forum, road bikes certainly aren't for everyone. Now, if he tries and likes the road bike, then getting one of those as a companion to his already VERY good 7.5 FX makes a whole bunch of sense.

That said, I get the hybrid upgrade. If you're only going to have one bike, and that's going to be a hybrid, why not get the best one you can? I've tried out the 7.7 FX. Big difference from my 7.2. Maybe less of a drastic change from the 7.5, but I still think the switch to a full carbon frame would be quite noticeable. The 7.7 is indeed a flat bar road bike. If I were going to have one bike only going forward, the 7.7 would be a strong candidate.
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Thanks all, this I think gets me to the 7.7 vs just going with the road bike. I will probably have to get rid of the 7.5, wife will only allow so many bikes in the garage and I already have a mtn bike that I swear I'll get back on soon as many of my friends mtn bike pretty much exclusively and a beater bike I use for running errands w/out having to worry about it getting stolen. Good advice on really getting out on a road bike, I've only done some test rides in LBS parking lot and such...they have demo days but costs $100 for the day but that does go towards purchase if you decide to buy the bike. One poster brought up one of my concerns with a road bike, I do get neck and shoulder pain fairly easily, even on the 7.5. And I'm not comfortable with the brake position but I guess that is just something you adjust to rather quickly?

All that said, the $100 investment in a day demo is probably worth it to really figure out if I want to fork out 2k for a decent road bike.

Thanks...
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100 bucks? Thats pretty steep. I live in Seattle we have a shop that charges 50 for a one day rental and you can choose Tarmac, Madone, or Synapse. If you get shoulder and neck pain from a 7.5 fairly easy than imo a road bike will be worse. Your shoulders are crunched in and that is where my personal discomfort comes.
I would highly suggest a flat bar road bike like a carbon Sirrus or the choices you have listed. Or get the road bike but know you limitations for how long you can ride it for.
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@jaycb74, It seems you have an open mind when it comes to different ideas. What about something like my new "any road" bike the Salsa Vaya 3. It has flared shallow drops, disc brakes (fabulous) and is heaps of fun to ride. It was $1599 CDN and worth every penny to me. I also have a 2010 Giant Cypress. (and some other bikes)


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I own a 2014 7.7 love the bike mate. The 7.7fx really is the best of both worlds. The fiber has a different feel that took me awhile to get used to but really enjoy now. All the best mate cheers
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^^^ Sweet ride!

I have taken a bunch of extensive test rides and never been charged a penny. I don't get $100 for a "demo day" unless that's some kind of organized group ride with a really nice lunch thrown in. But yes, in principle, spending $100 is a worthy investment to figure out if a $2k bike is really for you, if that's what it takes.
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browngw, that's a sweet Salsa, but what's up with the reaching-for-the-sky stem? Seems to me to kind of defeat the purpose of drop bars when they are raised up so high.
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If you're the patient sort, I might recommend waiting until the new 2015 7.7 FX becomes available in North America. It's currently available in the UK, apparently, but will more than likely show up on our side of the pond sometime in the next couple of months. The current 7.7 FX is basically a flat-bar Madone 3.1 with an FSA crank, while the new 7.7 FX is a flat-bar Domane 4.0. Unless they make any significant changes for the US market (I'm going off the info at that link), then that means a few nice upgrades/changes from the 2014 version:

- Lighter, higher-grade carbon (400-series vs. 300-series OCLV).
- IsoSpeed decoupler, which makes for a super-smooth ride.
- Full Tiagra group, including the crank this time.
- DuoTrap sensor compatibility.
- BB90 extra-wide bottom bracket.
- Endurance geometry, which is bound to be a better fit for a hybrid.

Patience is a virtue, they say...
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browngw, that's a sweet Salsa, but what's up with the reaching-for-the-sky stem? Seems to me to kind of defeat the purpose of drop bars when they are raised up so high.
I am saving the original 8 degree Salsa stemfor a time when I'm a little better conditioned for drop bars LOL. I'm a senior rider who has just recently attempted drop bars after years of trying and hating them. The 29deg is a little high though. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
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If you're the patient sort, I might recommend waiting until the new 2015 7.7 FX becomes available in North America. It's currently available in the UK, apparently, but will more than likely show up on our side of the pond sometime in the next couple of months. The current 7.7 FX is basically a flat-bar Madone 3.1 with an FSA crank, while the new 7.7 FX is a flat-bar Domane 4.0. Unless they make any significant changes for the US market (I'm going off the info at that link), then that means a few nice upgrades/changes from the 2014 version:

- Lighter, higher-grade carbon (400-series vs. 300-series OCLV).
- IsoSpeed decoupler, which makes for a super-smooth ride.
- Full Tiagra group, including the crank this time.
- DuoTrap sensor compatibility.
- BB90 extra-wide bottom bracket.
- Endurance geometry, which is bound to be a better fit for a hybrid.

Patience is a virtue, they say...
Sounds like they will make a great bike even better. That isospeed decoupler is no gimmick - it really works a treat.
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