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    Quote Originally Posted by Walpurgisnacht View Post
    Totally true, and I wish this had been posted a few months ago! I always thought that the goal for speed was to shift up to the highest gear and then power through it, shifting down only when you were really struggling. It was puzzling to me that my wife could easily outpace me on her bike, even though she wasn't anywhere near her highest gear. I eventually noticed that all of the hardcore cyclists were pedaling with a much higher cadence than I was, and that it was rare to see anyone on their absolute highest gear.

    Lesson learned: shift for cadence, not gear number. Your legs still get a workout and become stronger. I've been doing this for a few weeks and even though it initially felt as if I was cheating by lowering the pedaling resistance, I find that I'm now taking the same trails at one gear level higher (7) and occasionally reaching for the highest gear (8) whereas previously I was one down (usually on 6 and only occasionally shifting up to 7). Whereas I used to always ride on the largest crank arm, I now stick to the middle. It has been pretty exciting for me.

    Now looking into going clipless. Bought some used Shimano M324's for cheap (platform on one side, clip-ins on the other so that I can get used to them) and found used mountain-style biking shoes for cheap as well. Got the clips screwed in and already practiced clipping in and out while stationary... it feels both awesome and frightening to be "bolted" to the bike like that. First test will be this weekend.
    I'm glad you found your groove. I still have remind myself to downshift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by practical View Post
    ...going by a road bike wannabe with skinny tires and lycra shorts...
    So why would you make this statement, other than assuming people on road bikes and people wearing knicks are less than other cyclists?
    It seems to me your thread was started, to make a hybrid bike close to road bike performance. You advised skinnier tyres, padded shorts etc. The very same things you bagged, on your original post.
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    A hybrid should be a hybrid. A road bike should be a road bike. It's fine to give tips to go a little faster, but if someone wants road bike performance they shouldn't buy a hybrid.

    I think the OP was well intended, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    So why would you make this statement, other than assuming people on road bikes and people wearing knicks are less than other cyclists?
    It seems to me your thread was started, to make a hybrid bike close to road bike performance. You advised skinnier tyres, padded shorts etc. The very same things you bagged, on your original post.
    Not really. I was giving advice on making the bike faster - not fashion advice. I was satirizing riders who want to look the part by buying nice equipment and "cool" clothes. I don't know about you, but I love it when I sense bike snobbery from a road cyclist then go by him on the flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by practical View Post
    Not really. I was giving advice on making the bike faster - not fashion advice. I was satirizing riders who want to look the part by buying nice equipment and "cool" clothes. I don't know about you, but I love it when I sense bike snobbery from a road cyclist then go by him on the flat.
    Oh dear; sigh. I have an idea: why don't you start a 'waving' thread? Better than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantcfr1 View Post
    So why would you make this statement, other than assuming people on road bikes and people wearing knicks are less than other cyclists?
    It seems to me your thread was started, to make a hybrid bike close to road bike performance. You advised skinnier tyres, padded shorts etc. The very same things you bagged, on your original post.
    Resistance is futile, gcfr1; see just above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTBike View Post
    A hybrid should be a hybrid. A road bike should be a road bike....
    I don't get this at all. A hybrid can run the spectrum of being more road-oriented or more off-road oriented, and still BE a hybrid. It makes no more sense to say that those who want a faster hybrid should just get a road bike than it does to say that those who want suspended forks on their hybrid should just get a mountain bike. The whole point of a hybrid is to bridge the gap - at any number of different points - between those two extremes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
    Oh dear; sigh. I have an idea: why don't you start a 'waving' thread? Better than this.
    If you don't find this thread to be of value, why are you here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by practical View Post
    Not really. I was giving advice on making the bike faster - not fashion advice. I was satirizing riders who want to look the part by buying nice equipment and "cool" clothes. I don't know about you, but I love it when I sense bike snobbery from a road cyclist then go by him on the flat.
    I remember being in my twenties and dressing cool and riding a hot looking bike and getting passed by some nerd in street clothes riding a BSO and thinking to myself "Where were you sixty miles ago? Oh, well. I just made someone's day."
    A ride on a bike is not a walk in the park

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger99 View Post
    If you don't find this thread to be of value, why are you here?
    Pretty straightforward. Been around BF, and this board, a long time.

    When I come across a thread/post(s) that warrant serious response, I provide it. When I come across the same that don't, I consider myself free to respond appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger99 View Post
    If you don't find this thread to be of value, why are you here?
    Lighten up, Jaeger99. It's an internet forum. Different viewpoints are going to happen. You're going to be perpetually frustrated and upset if you can't come to terms with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTBike View Post
    Lighten up, Jaeger99. It's an internet forum. Different viewpoints are going to happen. You're going to be perpetually frustrated and upset if you can't come to terms with that.
    I am far from personally frustrated and not even remotely close to upset. Providing an opposing viewpoint is different than just railing against the uselessness of the topic of discussion. Just curious why one would devote multiple posts to a topic they find to be of no value. It strikes me as odd. Of course, people are entirely free to be as odd as they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger99 View Post
    I am far from personally frustrated and not even remotely close to upset. Providing an opposing viewpoint is different than just railing against the uselessness of the topic of discussion. Just curious why one would devote multiple posts to a topic they find to be of no value. It strikes me as odd. Of course, people are entirely free to be as odd as they like.
    While you may find it odd, hopefully you can accept that different people may feel differently about what is odd. That's the beauty of the Internet. And even if it was odd, this forum has moderators. We don't need countless more.

    Let's move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTBike View Post
    While you may find it odd, hopefully you can accept that different people may feel differently about what is odd. That's the beauty of the Internet. And even if it was odd, this forum has moderators. We don't need countless more.

    Let's move on
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    I feel certain that the irony of that statement is lost on you. Indeed, let's move on.

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    Its just a toy for me, these bikes. Hybrid or road bike. Lets all take a breather.

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    And here I thought Canadians had a reputation for being polite!

    Back on topic, some people in this forum express regrets over not purchasing a road bike. My initial concern is that we should make it clear that a hybrid is, by definition, somewhere in between and always will be. Something has to give if there is to be a compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger1 View Post
    Resistance is futile, gcfr1; see just above.
    acknowledged and agree
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    hi guys...i am going all out to upgrade my 2013 Fuji Absolute 1.4...i do hope it can rival the road bike setup and cruise at 40kph.will upgrade everything from the original bike,leaving just the frame...hopefully it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by vert02 View Post
    hi guys...i am going all out to upgrade my 2013 Fuji Absolute 1.4...i do hope it can rival the road bike setup and cruise at 40kph.will upgrade everything from the original bike,leaving just the frame...hopefully it works
    Buy a new bike! If the intention is to go fast, you will find that air resistance will have the biggest impact on speed. Drop bars will help with that.
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    meh....i hv paid a deposit for a road bike.only for racing..i wanna be fit with my hybrid bike...bsides,i love hybrid bikes compare to road.advantage: versatility.

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    Meanwhile, the flip side, because hybrids are hybrids:

    Is increasing the off-road/bad road surface performance of hybrids basically a tires game? Swap the 28s for knobbier 32s? Unlock the front suspension if that's an option. I guess also wider handlebars, with a slight rise, and proper bar ends would help? Or are those really only helpful for more technical mountain biking?

    (To be clear, I have a dedicated mtb for singletrack, but increasing the off-road viability of my Vita could open up some cool new weekend rides, and I can't imagine I'm alone in this!)

    In the spirit of this thread I should probably also suggest baggy shorts and 5-10s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTBike View Post
    A hybrid should be a hybrid. A road bike should be a road bike. It's fine to give tips to go a little faster, but if someone wants road bike performance they shouldn't buy a hybrid.

    I think the OP was well intended, though.
    I've never understood the "You have to ride my way," sentiment. If someone wants to ride a hybrid and try to get as much out of it as possible, why is that a bad thing? It's their bike.

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    in terms of hybrid vs road...its all ends up with the rider preference.as a hybrid bike user,sure,we want to go fast...as well as comfort.we just wanna get the best of from cycling,not aiming to wear the yellow jersey of TDF.i m pretty sure after miles of riding a hybrid,we shud be ready for road bike fitness.but when the time comes,do we switch bike n go on a road?still,i will stick to my hybrid

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    Not everyone that wants to go further or faster is looking for road bike performance. The experience, conditioning, and usage for riders varies. Better tires, bar ends, adjusting handlebars are all worthwhile suggestions for some riders, and at reasonable costs too.

    For some of us out of shape older riders it's just a question of extending our enjoyable riding range from something modest like 10 miles to 20 miles (substitute your own numbers if these seem laughable).

    This is the hybrid section, so I'm not going to rail against hybrids as such here. As an old, out of shape rider getting back into more bicycling a few years ago I bought a hybrid as a lighter bike that fit my budget from among the choices at my LBS. Learned a lot. One of those things I learned from my usage, my needs, and my condition was that a touring bike was better for me. That LBS had zero touring bikes a few years ago, and I wasn't touring, so why would I ask for one? In the mean time, tires, bar ends and handlebar tweaks helped me get more usage and enjoyment out of my hybrid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themishmosh View Post
    I gained about 3/4 mph going from stock 32 to 28mm tires alone. Comfort did not suffer at all and the bike is more responsive and more fun to ride.
    Is that 3 to 4 mph faster or three quarter of a mph faster? Big difference there, I assume you mean 3 to 4 mph.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger99 View Post
    I take my 28s on crushed gravel and groomed (dirt) woodland trails all the time. No problems at all. When riding in such areas I'm not going for maximum speed - that's what roads are for.

    Now if you're talking rocks and heavily rutted trails with gnarly roots popping up all over the place, then 28s would not be the best choice.
    My problem is dirt roads. A lot of the roads I ride on are dirt. By the end of summer it is hard packed, but in the spring they lay gravel. I'm not looking for maximum speed either on these roads as I am mostly going uphill for a long time and coasting on the brakes at about the same speed downhill, but would like to be faster when I do hit the pavement. I am constantly going from dirt to pavement to dirt to pavement when riding on the road. When I hit the bigger state route roads going from one dirt road down a mile to the next dirt road, I like to take the speed up. It's fun doing 20+ mph, but I really don't do that very often. Then again, as I get better on the hills, I am tending to stick with the bigger paved roads more and more. In the spring when I got the new bike, I was just crossing the state routes. Now I'm starting to ride down them for a spell to go hit a different back road.
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