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    Trek 8.6 DS - DuoTrap S and a Trek Neko SL WSD - The Search Considerations Are On

    Hello Guys, This is my first post, sorry for the length, I'm coming from a Cannondale Killer V 500 USA handmade bike, wrong size for me I think as I'm 6' 2", but it was a great trade deal at the time and I was a very broke college kid. Seemly finding a USA made bike today is a sad thing of the past, unless we want to pony up some serious bones when it is all said and done.

    Which is not what we want to do at this time, it seems you can get a really nice bike today for under $600 - $1000 and be very happy with it for 20+ years, with normal maintenance.

    Now this bike I own mind you is a true Frankenbike now, I received it this way, see photos below, it's not a bad bike per say, it's just not the right size for me I think not sure how to find what the size is.

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    After 20 years of good use I did not care, now I do, maybe I can make it work, size wise, maybe it's just time for something new.

    After a recent 20 mile ride, on-road, old-school sidewalks, stone, and some off road trails, I felt like a hunchback and my neck it sore from that ride.

    So my new choice that seemly is a nice bike, components wise, warranty, support and styling is this 30 speed 2015 Trek 8.6 DS DuoTrap S. For a bike made in China, it's seems like a really nice setup, China sticker has to go lol. But will it give me a solid 20-30 years of use, like my Cannondale did, that I can not be sure of? It seems like a nice bike, I even like the idea for an additional approx. $40 - $50 I can have a wireless speed and cadence sensor built into the bike frame. I do not see any things that give me a cause for long-term concern yet. I like the shock idea, lockout on the bar seem nice, but would rather have more control over the shocks adjustments. Seems other models have this, but then I lose the look and feel I seem to like, mind you I can't find one to test yet.

    I have to order it first, but I do not have to take it if I do not like it, so that is what I will do with my LBS.





    Now we come to her bike, it's a Target variety Schwinn 700c Model that is also not the correct size for her, I think it's a 16" frame, not sure, she is 5' 9" and well IMHO her bike is not worth putting any money into, see below.

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    So her new choice after test riding one at a LBS on yet another 16" frame is a 2014 Trek Neko, they had no 18" frames available in that model for sale but we found one and have it on hold in another location and it is a 18" frame 2014 Trek Neko SL WSD (Gary Fisher Collection). Seemly a good reviewed bike for the money and again she likes the look and feel of the bike, it seems nice.





    So with these two choices, are their any good solid alternatives around the same fees? My only concern with hers and it will be a PITA to keep clean.

    Thanks all for your time, I'm trying to get educated before finalizing any orders. This forum seems like a really great place to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ingenuitor View Post
    Hello Guys, This is my first post, sorry for the length, I'm coming from a Cannondale Killer V 500 USA handmade bike, wrong size for me I think as I'm 6' 2", but it was a great trade deal at the time and I was a very broke college kid. Seemly finding a USA made bike today is a sad thing of the past, unless we want to pony up some serious bones when it is all said and done.

    Which is not what we want to do at this time, it seems you can get a really nice bike today for under $600 - $1000 and be very happy with it for 20+ years, with normal maintenance.

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    So my new choice that seemly is a nice bike, components wise, warranty, support and styling is this 30 speed 2015 Trek 8.6 DS DuoTrap S. For a bike made in China, it's seems like a really nice setup, China sticker has to go lol. But will it give me a solid 20-30 years of use, like my Cannondale did, that I can not be sure of? It seems like a nice bike, I even like the idea for an additional approx. $40 - $50 I can have a wireless speed and cadence sensor built into the bike frame. I do not see any things that give me a cause for long-term concern yet. I like the shock idea, lockout on the bar seem nice, but would rather have more control over the shocks adjustments. Seems other models have this, but then I lose the look and feel I seem to like, mind you I can't find one to test yet.

    I have to order it first, but I do not have to take it if I do not like it, so that is what I will do with my LBS.





    Now we come to her bike, it's a Target variety Schwinn 700c Model that is also not the correct size for her, I think it's a 16" frame, not sure, she is 5' 9" and well IMHO her bike is not worth putting any money into, see below.

    So her new choice after test riding one at a LBS on yet another 16" frame is a 2014 Trek Neko, they had no 18" frames available in that model for sale but we found one and have it on hold in another location and it is a 18" frame 2014 Trek Neko SL WSD (Gary Fisher Collection). Seemly a good reviewed bike for the money and again she likes the look and feel of the bike, it seems nice.
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    So with these two choices, are their any good solid alternatives around the same fees? My only concern with hers and it will be a PITA to keep clean.

    Thanks all for your time, I'm trying to get educated before finalizing any orders. This forum seems like a really great place to start.
    I really like the look of the Trek 8.6DS, but I actually like the look of the Trek 8.5DS even more and like you, when I do buy my next bike(hopefully at the end of this year), I also intend to keep it for well over a decade.



    But because I prefer the crank on the 8.6, I might end up going with the 8.6. The 2015 8.6 & 8.5 have the same fork.

    However I am also waiting to see what Specialized's equivalent offerings for 2015 are like.

    As for your wife's choices, I think Trek shortchanged the ladies in the DS range, by restricting their offerings to lower end specs, than the men's range allows for.

    For that reason, if I was a girl, I would be looking very hard at Giant's Rove 0 & Specialized's Ariel range.
    You can have my Disc Brakes, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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    Hello thanks for the reply, yeah I"m on the fence right now, I really want to see these in person, yet LBS seem to have nothing in the higher end ranges on the DS models. I'm not brand loyal at all, I just want a good overall bike, I do like the blue one as well, that's a good look, but a few options are missing, I think. And I will see what Giant and Specialized has to offer for her, she wanted semi matching bikes, but that's not super important.

    Whats really missing on the Neko model?

    To be honest she wants function before form like me, but loved the little hints of color and detail on her Neko model and I kinda like the same with the Trek models, they have that clean look. I'm still open, Thanks again. In the end of the day they will all get dirty and nicked / dinged and maybe dented up from use, so that's something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingenuitor View Post
    Hello thanks for the reply, yeah I"m on the fence right now, I really want to see these in person, yet LBS seem to have nothing in the higher end ranges on the DS models. I'm not brand loyal at all, I just want a good overall bike, I do like the blue one as well, that's a good look, but a few options are missing, I think.
    For some strange reason, Trek aren't showing the 8.5DS yet on their American website, but it shows up on some other countries website, like Australia's.

    Looking at their spec sheet, the improvements/differences the 8.6 has over the 8.5 are :

    Front Hub - RM66 vs RM35
    Rear Hub - RM66 vs RM35
    Gear Shifters - SLX vs Deore
    Front D-R - Deore LX vs Deore
    Rear D-R - SLX, Shadow+ vs SLX
    Crank - Shimano T551 vs FSA Dyna Drive
    Brakes - Shimano 445 vs Shimano 355

    And I will see what Giant and Specialized has to offer for her, she wanted semi matching bikes, but that's not super important.

    Whats really missing on the Neko model?

    To be honest she wants function before form like me, but loved the little hints of color and detail on her Neko model and I kinda like the same with the Trek models, they have that clean look. I'm still open, Thanks again. In the end of the day they will all get dirty and nicked / dinged and maybe dented up from use, so that's something else.
    The Neko SL model tops out with Acera, Alivio and Deore componentry, whilst the Men's range(which is more expensive to reflect this), tops out with Deore LX, SLX & SLX Shadow+.

    Effectively the Neko SL is an 8.4 DS, so there is no Neko Model that will match a 8.6 DS.

    This might not matter to her, but if she wanted componentry just as good as what you are getting, she can't do it via Trek.

    In fact the best Women's Mountain Bike inspired hybrid is clearly Specialized's Ariel Comp Disc Specialized Bicycle Components
    You can have my Disc Brakes, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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    We just ordered both models today, with no obligations, no cc required from a semi local bike store, trek is having a $200 free stuff sale, terms are limited. You need to spend $2000 to get $200 gift card for accessories or $1000 to get $100 of accessories. Hey it is a sale, somewhat of a game, we all know this, either way and we did get some good deals on the bikes from the retail price as well.

    I called about 20 LBS and only one had the Neko in our size in a remote store and all others are sold out and get this the demand is very high for that Neko model from all the calls I made. Dealers said they have other looking for the same model. Plus the retail on the 8.6 was very higher everywhere else, one LBS even asked for full retail + shipping costs lol Next.

    The one we ended with saved me a few hundred, I have to drive 30+ miles one way, so I can't complain that much other than the distance to buy and no free tune ups with ease. Yeah the Neko may not be as nice, but it beats what she has by a HUGE land slide we think. I even test drove it and it was really nice for what it was.

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    It's too bad I could not just hand build a nice bike like the 8.6 for $1000, seemly to get even close I would be well over $3000, so that's out lol

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    Here is another non pro image of the bike, which gives you a better idea of what it really looks like, hard to ever trust advertising images.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ingenuitor View Post
    Here is another non pro image of the bike, which gives you a better idea of what it really looks like, hard to ever trust advertising images.


    Looks pretty snazzy.
    You can have my Disc Brakes, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelSanders View Post
    Looks pretty snazzy.
    Yeah I have a few more days, but I can't find anything else I like at the price of $1000 or less USD, so I think with the $200 back as well, it would be hard for me to find better later. As I hear in 2015 end of or 2016 prices go up again. This what my LBS says, but who knows if they are being honest, they stated the costs of parts are going up by 30%.

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    Did you get the bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by ingenuitor View Post
    Yeah I have a few more days, but I can't find anything else I like at the price of $1000 or less USD, so I think with the $200 back as well, it would be hard for me to find better later. As I hear in 2015 end of or 2016 prices go up again. This what my LBS says, but who knows if they are being honest, they stated the costs of parts are going up by 30%.
    ingenuitor, did you get the Trek DS 8.6 DuoTrap S 2015? I stumbled across this forum, looking for info on my bike. I've only owned it for a couple of weeks now, but am happy with it. I test rode a lot of similar dual sport / hybrid bikes before settling on the DS 8.6. I went with the 2015 burnished aluminum frame rather than the 2014 matt black frame (despite liking the latter's looks more) because of the ability to add the $50 Bontrager DuoTrap S speed/cadence sensor into the integrated frame mounting designed for it. I could have purchased the 2014 model and used a non-frame integrated speed/cadence sensor, but the 2015 was actually $100 less expensive than the prior year model (they removed the rear frame polymer flex joins from the 2015 model). Anyway, I'm just curious about what you finally ended up with. :-)

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    Why not just get a normal hardtail 29er like a specialized rockhopper for example? I don't quite get this segment of hybrids with suspension, as they are essentially hard tail 29ers with skinnier tires. Get a 29er, you will have more tire options, the ability to use big tires to go off road, but you can still run slimmer slick type tires as well. Having disc brakes and suspension adds considerable weight, so you might as well get a 29er which will be more versatile.

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