2702

Looks like a 200 dollar price drop for the 15 Sirrus Pro Carbon bike. Maybe the 3k msrp scared off some buyers, but they sold them all anyway.

raqball

Barf and yuck at the color..

Nice price reduction but a bummer there is no Di2.. Of course, with Di2 the price would go up..

badger1

I'll agree about the colour ... a little 'meh'. On the other hand, could care less about Di2.

What matters to me is this: if the blurb reference to "fitness geometry" means that Specialized has finally ... FINALLY ... created a dedicated set of carbon moulds to make a full-carbon Sirrus with proper flat-bar road geometry, instead of simply slapping flat-bars on surplus Roubaix frames, then I'm intrigued: I've been waiting, waiting for this to happen. The pic above would appear to support this. If so, could be my next bike, this next year.

raqball

Di2 is a requirement for me from here on out.. I can never go back to mechanical shifting -- Belch!..

The bike looks a little odd to me color wise and geometry wise.. Maybe it's just the angles and the lighting...

badger1

Understood re. Di2; if you have developed a preference for electronic shifting, then that's that. Each to his own.

However, the geometry is a different thing. I am a dedicated, and now long-time "flat-bar roadie".

In my view, flat-bar road bikes are, and should be, just that: flat-bar road bikes. From my perspective, the design (geometry) requirements for such a bicycle are different from those for a drop-bar bike. In particular, effective t/t length, which should be -- for a given 'size' -- some 2 to 4 cms. longer than that of an equivalent drop-bar bike. That is, and has been, my reason for not switching from my 2010 Sirrus Comp to something like a full-carbon Sirrus. Lovely as those bikes are (e.g. yours), they are not for me. I fit perfectly (drop-bars) on a 54 Roubaix. However, a 54 ("Medium") carbon Sirrus -- which these past few years is a 54 Roubaix -- is simply too short (t/t length). I am not willing to compromise by 'sizing up', and I don't want a "sit up and beg" position on my bike, which is what I would have on a 54 w/flat-bars.

So, what you see as "odd" I see as Specialized finally putting things right as far as geometry is concerned. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. We agree about the colour, though!

ColonelSanders

This is a minor thing to complain about obviously, but I don't like the way Specialized appear to have cut the top bit off the word "Specialized" that is plastered on the downtube.

raqball

I have obviously never ridden the bike and my comment that it looks odd could just be because of the angle of the photos or the lighting. Same goes for the color, it may look better in person for all I know..

I am all for them making a bike with geometry that is flat bar road bike designed / specific. While I don't have any issue at all with the geometry of my bike, I might ride that thing and go holy cow!

Mig888

Wow, great timng. Now my decision is really complicated. Although I do agree that the color is pretty lousy. Anyone know when these will be available in stores?

2702

I have no idea what color is that? Sunburned orange, It has to look better in person I would think.
Looking further at the pic, I do think that Badger is right, the frame looks longer than past Carbon Sirrus bikes and not simply a Roubaix frame. Longer frame= more comfortable ride. I prefer shorter frames myself, better handling.
Even though the color so far is not liked I think it looks better than the 14 Sirrus Pro Carbon, too much white and I think its a police's officer bike.

badger1

Thanks for posting the pics, 2702. I continue to look and speculate; it's very hard to tell from a couple of snaps but it certainly does look like revised geometry (as I said above, at long last -- from my point of view).

It is silly, but this old cyclist is excited by this development if that's the case. I've been thinking about a replacement (want, not need) for my 2010 Sirrus Comp (well, what's left of it which is basically the frame/fork); possibly, here it is. It's as if Specialized asked me to re-design the carbon Sirrus:

1. Revised geometry (i.e. properly adjusted for use with flat bars)
2. Full carbon frame/fork (want, not need -- but nice)
3. Good tire clearance (looks like up to 35s will fit easily; I ride mostly on-road/paved mups, but do like to ride back/country/gravel/dirt roads occasionally -- even the odd bit of non-technical singletrack, all with the same bike). I tend to switch back and forth between 32s and 25s depending on conditions
4. Hydraulic discs (want, not need, but nice given that I ride from very early spring through very late fall -- lots of rain/variable conditions)
5. 1x11 drivetrain (great idea ... simple, more than enough gear range)

If all this is confirmed when these bikes hit the shops, I'd even put up with whatever that colour is!

raqball

Does it have a 10-42 cassette?

I'd have to pass on the X1 drivetrain..

Edit to add:

Here is a video I found on the X1 drivetrain..

#t=12

Jaeger99

I'm hoping it's the poor lighting, but at present I cannot conceive of a more unattractive shade for that bike. Woof.

themishmosh

Sweet bike! I happened to love a single chainring up front--suits my bike paths well. No enamored with the color or lettering though--screams "look at me!!!".

ColonelSanders

So how big is the front cog on this bike?

Mig888

The dealers received the spec sheet on these on Friday. This actually has a slightly shorter wheelbase than last year's model.

badger1

Hmmmm ... I think we'll find that that is not quite right (well, I for one hope so!). I think the problem here is that for 2013 and '14 there were two distinct geometries in the Sirrus line-up: one for the aluminum bikes ("fitness geometry" with pretty long wheelbase [from long front and rear centres]) and one for the carbon ones. The latter were/are Roubaix frames with flat bars; the geometry is Roubaix, even though the Specialized website has continued to display the geometry chart for the aluminum bikes on the pages for the carbon ones.

I think that for 2015 Specialized has finally created dedicated moulds for the carbon Sirrus (and Vita): longer front centre and slightly longer rear centre than on a Roubaix, which is (to my mind) the way it should be. It may be that they've tightened up their "fitness geometry" slightly relative to 2014, but it's likely now applied to all the Sirrus bikes.

The pictures certainly suggest this. The pics 2702 posted come from bikerumor; full story here: Photo Gallery: 2015 Specialized Road & Mountain Bikes Overview

Scroll through, and one can clearly see that the new carbon Sirrus/Vita frames are quite different from those of the Roubaix etc. This is confirmed later by a comment:

Phil - 07/17/14 - 4:56pm
The Sirrus and Vita were totally redesigned for MY15 and have their own geo and fit. They are no longer Roubaix and Ruby frames with flat bars. They also do not share a geo. The Vita is a completely different frame then the Sirrus. Specialized is really upping their game in the women specific categories this year, and moving forward. The new Sirrus geo rides like a dream I’m the city.

Now we'll just wait and see; this business of being an old bike-geek is tiring!

Update: .... and confirmed. Here is a link to the Pro Carbon Disc (full specs/geometry) on the French website. Most (all?) of the new Sirrus models are there; the three carbon ones continue. The geometry is now consistent across the line; there are very slight differences (a few mms. here and there) between the aluminum and carbon ones, but only slight. Hurray!

https://www.specialized.com/fr/fr/bik...ro-carbon-disc

raqball

Thanks for the link badger..

1) 40t front and 10-42 rear = Interesting choice (the 10-42 has: 10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-42)
2) The color looks much better on the product page

I'd still pass on it mainly because of the drivetrain..

Edit to add: Here is a shot from the product page showing the color combo

Mig888

I bought my wife a 2014 Vita Pro Carbon yesterday. Got a very good deal and it is a very nice bike. The wheelbase on the 2014 model is longer than the 2015 Vita Expert Disk Carbon. It also seems to have superior components (ie... Ultegra). It confuses me why the 2015 Sirrus would have a longer wheel base than the 2014, but the new Vita would have a shorter one. I also notice they did not introduce (the best I can tell) a 2015 Vita Pro Carbon so I really don't have a true comparison.

I still must decide if I am getting the 2013 Sirrus Limited SL4 for myself or getting the new Sirrus Pro Carbon. Still leaning towards the 2013 Limited because the components appear to be far superior. Need to make my mind up this week. Difficult choice.

dynaryder

All the pics in that article look off. I believe this will look much better in person.

FYI,when SRAM brought out the 1x11 groupo,I ran the numbers through Sheldon's calculator. With a 38t front ring,when compared to my Safari w/26" wheels,a 48/36/26 triple,and an 11-34 cassette,the 11spd is only missing the topmost(48/11) and lowest(26/34) gears. I have only used the 26/34 combo once or twice,and only use the big gear on steep downhills,so if I replaced my 3x9 with the 1x11 I wouldn't really be loosing anything.

badger1

Re. the Vita, that is interesting. Did you actually measure the 2014, or are you going off the Specialized geometry chart for the 2014? If the latter, as I mentioned earlier to the best of my knowledge these charts are wrong. The 14 Vita geometry is the Ruby geometry. However, all that matters is that the bike fits.

Re. your choice, all I'll say is this: I'd base my decision -- if it were me -- pretty much entirely on frame geometry/fit, and only secondarily (and a distant second) on components. Those can be changed; the geometry cannot. If the slightly more upright positioning of the 2013 would suit you, then yes ... it's a lovely bike. It wouldn't me, so I wouldn't even consider it. But that's just me. Good luck!

badger1

Exactly my take on the 1x11, dynaryder.

Mig888

I am going on the numbers posted on the website. Perhaps the numbers on the website are off, I don't know, but that would really be sloppy of Specialized. As far as the Sirrus, I prefer to be a little more upright--I think. I am hoping it may be better on my back. That being said, I am fairly new to biking and am not an expert on the geometrical aspects of bikes and how they affect comfort.

2702

Internal Cables, Formula C1, hydraulic disc, dual piston, 160mm rotor brakes, better styling. The latest in SRAM gearing. I would take the 15 Sirrus over the 13, but I am biased I will say.

raqball

I was at my LBS today and I took at look at a rock hopper that had the X1 drivetrain on it..

Holy cow that rear cassette is freaking HUGE.. And I mean HUGE!

I don't get the choice to go to it as it's more of a mountain bike setup.. Is Specialized going to market the Sirrus differently? I would no longer call this a flatbar road bike..

It's an interesting bike that's for sure but there is NO way I'd spring 3K for it...

2702

Well that small sprocket on the 15 Pro does look a little funny. But if its smooth as butter compared to a double compact I'll take it.
The photographer taking that pic should be fired, its just awful photography.