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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
    Juniors often lack sufficient muscle mass / muscular endurance to fully tax their aerobic systems and their LTHRs end up a lower than what you would expect based on their presumably high MHR.
    Interesting. This had never really crossed my mind. OK, kid, go ride it again _hard_. I'm interested to see if you're in the smallish muscle mass group or if you just didn't go hard enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
    You didn't ride it hard enough. Go do it again and ride harder. At your age, I bet it's closer to 190. It varies from person to person...I could be wrong, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet your 173 number is low.

    I dunno, I haven't drifted down more than a couple bpm since i was 18, and i'm around 175. I think that's a reasonable number.
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    ****. I split my chin and scraped the **** outta my knuckles. Tires slipped in parking lot on wet roads. Outta commission, for a week or so, but day I get back I'm doing it. Orrrr I have a 40 min crit on the 16th... should I just use those numbers?

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    i doubt that u rode it too easy tbh. i would say its probbaly fine. if you realize ur rolling at 170ish bpm just riding along, then retest, if not just confirm it using the race hr numbers.
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    Your 16, man, just ride your bike a lot and have fun. Don't worry about threshold tests. Worry about getting your license and getting into trouble. Ride for fun, at this point, doing that you'll get better anyway. Go to a college with a collegiate team and start taking "training" serious then, if you wish.
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    seems like just yesterday mikey was on the receiving end of comments like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammy56 View Post
    seems like just yesterday mikey was on the receiving end of comments like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    it depends

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    Your 16, man, just ride your bike a lot and have fun. Don't worry about threshold tests. Worry about getting your license and getting into trouble. Ride for fun, at this point, doing that you'll get better anyway. Go to a college with a collegiate team and start taking "training" serious then, if you wish.
    i train seriously...... and im a junior..... am i doing it wrong/????
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    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newjunior View Post
    I can put in 8hrs a week on avg.
    If you only have 8 hours a week to train, my suggestion is to read The Time Crunched Cyclist and follow the training schedule there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyking View Post
    If you only have 8 hours a week to train, my suggestion is to read The Time Crunched Cyclist and follow the training schedule there.
    anyone with more than 8 hour shouldn't touch CTS even with a 30ft pole

    for the junior, 3 time during weekdays, warm up for 15, low tempo for 45, cool down for 15. 3hr 45min; Use the other 4hr 15min for long rides to build base

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    I've used HIT and Carmichael's TCC plans. I would caution any junior against such plans. The nature of them is contrary to 'junior gearing' and building a base for future endavors. They're get rich quick scheme's that without careful supervisioin could result in a junior injuring themselves quite easily. When I came back into cycling they served my purposes, but, required all my body awareness and maturity to respect the feedback my body was delivering and adjust accordingly.

    I recall the OP mentioning that he had a copy of Time Crunched. By all means read it and learn from it. But, I would caution against diving into it at your age. Do the same with Friel's Cyclist Training Bible. They are two very different approaches. One is based on the idea that some individuals do not have more than 9 hours per week to devote to training and want to get as much as they can out of the hours they do have available. The other is based on the idea that a peformance athlete has as much time available for training as will make a measurable improvement and if needed will find more time.

    As a junior you're going to be learning. Lots! Bike handling, race strategy, tactics, training principles, how your body responds to training, how you recover, etc. And, chances are reasonably good that your body is going to be changing a fair bit during all this, thereby, requiring you to relearn some of what you thought you knew about yourself.

    Find a good local coach. A patient one. Be patient yourself. Ride, pay attention, learn, enjoy the journey. If you learn to enjoy listening to your body, when it will allow you to push it, when it needs to rest, how to read your own internal fuel gauge, how to use your unique combination of levers and muscle composition, you'll be on a path to success as a cyclist. Regardless of race wins or not.

    Junior gearing exists for a reason. There is a progression that you need to work through. Some one local, who knows you, and can see how you are responding will be infinately more successful at assisting you to achieve results than a bunch of well meaning dudes on the other end of the interwebz.

    Just my thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyking View Post
    If you only have 8 hours a week to train, my suggestion is to read The Time Crunched Cyclist and follow the training schedule there.
    Not as a junior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyking View Post
    If you only have 8 hours a week to train, my suggestion is to read The Time Crunched Cyclist and follow the training schedule there.
    First post fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    Yes.
    darn.... i guess ill go and not train using an structure...... that'l get me my 1 upgrade
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsutkeepspining View Post
    i train seriously...... and im a junior..... am i doing it wrong/????
    Depends. If you start burning out, then yes. That's the biggest problems with the young guys. They've got time and the ability to recover, but mentally don't want to deal with the dedication. Generally, old guys either don't have the time or physical ability to regain their lost youth. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Every once in a while there's a young guy with the crazy hunger/dedication/physical ability to get to a very high level. It's rare.

    Mikey, you hit it out of the park with your post. Good job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    Junior gearing exists for a reason.
    Just my thoughts.
    Ya, misguided desire to protect kids.
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    toss them in the deep water. if they drown you're improving the gene pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
    toss them in the deep water. if they drown you're improving the gene pool.
    And if they don't you have a future crop of strong riders.
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    junior gears = silly, but tis not too terrible until you get to a race wehre you sit above 30 mph for the majority of the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
    Your 16, man, just ride your bike a lot and have fun. Don't worry about threshold tests. Worry about getting your license and getting into trouble. Ride for fun, at this point, doing that you'll get better anyway. Go to a college with a collegiate team and start taking "training" serious then, if you wish.
    Says the guy that is spending his college spring break at training camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngchi View Post
    Says the guy that is spending his college spring break at training camp.
    He's not a Junior, and he has significant racing experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
    He's not a Junior, and he has significant racing experience.
    I'm aware. I just find it ironic that he's telling him to just be 16 and get into trouble and then go to college to train then. A lot of people would tell Mikey to just chill out and enjoy college. Life is short, enjoy it however you want. The rest of it, I agree...just go ride your bike kid.
    Last edited by ngchi; 03-07-13 at 10:58 AM.

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