loky1179

Wait . . does Shimano have a new IGH out? Sounds like a winner!

cooker

I haven't seen the movie but I have seen lots of examples of people with non-conventional lifestyles including for example people who want to live car free, or in tiny houses or on communes or who in any other way don't adhere to mainstream ideas (or are simply perceived that way), being ridiculed or demonized or mispresented in the media and in videos and in online comments - even in this thread now that I think about it. You experienced it yourself as you described in an earlier thread how some truckers seemed to have a hostile attitude towards you and some friends when you arrived at a cafe on bikes. Somehow they just automatically assumed that people on bikes must be trouble makers of some sort, and their default reaction was to go on the attack. Movies and TV shows used to practically universally portray blacks as either criminals or servants or as comic relief characters, perpetuating those stereotypes, which is why the Uhura character in Star Trek was considered such a huge breakthrough. Those film and TV makers may not have been overtly racist but they were still reflecting widespread biases and prejudices and incorporating them into their works. So I wouldn't be surprised if some movie makers from time to time either deliberately or unconsciously portray a pedestrian or bicycle friendly lifestyle (or some other option that he or she happens to dislike or has some subtle bias against) as the false utopia that gets exposed.

loky1179

Still, "A (Movement's a Movement) no matter how small!"

LCF is pretty much the speck in Horton Hears a Who - Small but oh so important!

And much like Horton in the book, the defenders of the LCF "Movement" are subject to much ridicule.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horton_Hears_a_Who!

I-Like-To-Bike

AND in the psychedelic imagination/fantasy world of some LCF zealots, everything or anything in a movie "might" be about (or have subliminal messages about) LCF, Utopia or any other darn thing about which they may be dreaming.

I-Like-To-Bike

I think there might have been a subliminal message about that subject in the Hunger Games movie.

Mobile 155

Nothing in the OP post dealt with the media or any after the fact observations. The movie was supposed to be a subliminal message because some UN-named influence was afraid of LCF and made the movie. When I watch Tiny House nation there is no negitive comments made during or after the show. Everybody loves the job that has been done and when they revisit the place and people weeks or months later. There isn't even a hint of the fear of tiny houses. And I did see the movie. No hint of fear of car free. Maybe fear of having all memories held by a select few but not for or against any form of transportation. So far only one has seen a conspiracy under the bed and it has not been specifically identified to this point.

But you are kind by trying to paint over the hypothesis of LCF fear driven movies shown to discourage young adult children. It does make one smile.

Machka 

What is this thread about?

mconlonx

Still talking about The Giver...

JoeyBike

I try to do some thinking every single day. Plenty of people don't do much thinking at all. I think you are reading way too much into cerebral gymnastics as it relates to future/fictional movies. At least for the vast majority of people.

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wolfchild

This thread is about everything except transportational cycling in the real world.

cooker

As I said, I haven't seen it. I was addressing plausibility. Reviewing the descriptions, the movie depicts an authoritarian society where everybody is forced to live pretty dull and similar lives and they all have bikes. Why do they all have bikes? Looking at the picture from the blog https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y1MqB1jG__...ticleLarge.jpg, it certainly looks like the bikes are somehow one representation of the oppressive dullness of this artificial world. Biking does get a bad rap in some other movies. It was symbolic of the social ineptness and lack of macho of the 40 year old virgin. Everybody apparently cheers when a cyclist is blown away in Natural Born Killers (haven't seen that one either). Apparently enough people in the world hate bikes and cycling that that there are presentations at academic conferences on researching why. So I don't think it a stretch to suggest The Giver might deliberately portray cycling and a cycling based lifestyle in a bad light. Certainly both tandempower and the blogger both got that message so it is not just one person who reacted that way.

I-Like-To-Bike

Tee Hee! Even stranger than the unique fearful ruminations over hidden subliminal messages suspected by a poster who watched a movie or YouTube trailer, are the musings of another poster who ponders the plausibility of the effect of the alleged subliminal messages in movies he has never seen.

And oh my goodness, you are shocked, shocked that some movies portray some of the characters as socially inept or lacking in macho! Who wudda thunk it? I guess you never saw a screwball comedy starring Jimmy Stewart or Cary Grant. Whatz next - some socially inept characters actually have super powers or perform heroic feats but only while wearing funny outfits with capes/ What does that mean!

cooker

Shocked? No, this is totally in your fertile imagination. Movies of course do transmit all kinds of subliminal messages about social norms, sometimes by design, like how movies used to glamorize smoking. The 40 Year Old Virgin movie perpetuates a common stereotype that adults who bike around town, like you and me, are somehow social misfits. We probably don't agree with that meme, or at least I don't.

I-Like-To-Bike

Sure just like some Internet blogs transmit subliminal messages that might perpetuate an impression that some zealous Living Car Free/Bicycling advocates are clueless cultural or economic dropouts and are more about being anti-middle class than anything related to transportation or bicycling.

cooker

No, that's not subliminal - you express that opinion quite overtly.