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Old 07-09-17, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollfast
You live in the Southern Hemisphere though. Our summer is technically your winter, regardless of if it's over 12C
Yes it is. And I like summer no matter which hemisphere I'm in.

We really enjoyed our month of summer in Canada ... so much better than a Tasmanian winter ... or a Tasmanian summer for that matter.
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It is actually remarkably nice here in Sydney right now. Most but times I've been here it has been overcast and cool. Today the sun is shining brightly, and while it is still cool, the sun's warmth felt nice.
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Originally Posted by Machka
Why do you keep picking out that one small bit of what was typed?
It was strange the first time he mentioned it, and now he's mentioned it in another post. So I am just wondering why it keeps getting mentioned. We can drop it rather than having another series of interpersonal post exchanges, though. I doubt he will mention it further, though if he does it will be that much more noteworthy, won't it?
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Originally Posted by tandempower
It was strange the first time he mentioned it, and now he's mentioned it in another post. So I am just wondering why it keeps getting mentioned. We can drop it rather than having another series of interpersonal post exchanges, though. I doubt he will mention it further, though if he does it will be that much more noteworthy, won't it?
If he mentions it again you have permission to ignore it.



Meanwhile we've had a smooth trip through 3 countries. All our paperwork has been in order and we've been able to arrive at check - ins nice and early which makes traveling with two full sized bicycles so much nicer and easier.

It has been getting progressively cooler as we go. And darker too ... shorter daylight hours.

Our rides next weekend will likely be chilly and at least partially in the dark.

I like summer for both the heat and long daylight hours. 😊
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Originally Posted by Machka
Meanwhile we've had a smooth trip through 3 countries. All our paperwork has been in order and we've been able to arrive at check - ins nice and early which makes traveling with two full sized bicycles so much nicer and easier.
Did you need visas for layovers? How long did you spend at each destination?

It has been getting progressively cooler as we go. And darker too ... shorter daylight hours.

Our rides next weekend will likely be chilly and at least partially in the dark.

I like summer for both the heat and long daylight hours. 😊
What's the highest temperature and humidity you feel comfortable cycling in? Tent-camping? Do you prefer shady hot to sunny hot? Have you ever toured the southeastern US?
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At least I found a pair of nice condition North Face cargo shorts at one of my local thrifts today for $4.
I have found three nice pairs of nylon cargo shorts at this thrift in the last two months. These kinds of shorts in medium, to small sizes are almost as hard to find as quality bikes.

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Old 07-10-17, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tandempower
It was strange the first time he mentioned it, and now he's mentioned it in another post. So I am just wondering why it keeps getting mentioned. We can drop it rather than having another series of interpersonal post exchanges, though. I doubt he will mention it further, though if he does it will be that much more noteworthy, won't it?
Take a wild guess at it. You've already gone a long way to answering your wonder by what you have written in a previous post in this thread.
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Originally Posted by tandempower
Did you need visas for layovers? How long did you spend at each destination?
Rowan needed an ETA for Canada.
I hold a dual citizenship: Canadian-Australia. I can come and go as I please between both countries.
Australia and New Zealand have an arrangement. As Australians, Rowan and I can come and go between both countries.

A month in Canada, several hours in NZ, and remaining in Australia until the next time we want to go somewhere.


Originally Posted by tandempower
What's the highest temperature and humidity you feel comfortable cycling in? Tent-camping? Do you prefer shady hot to sunny hot? Have you ever toured the southeastern US?
The hottest temperatures I've ridden in are over 40C with 90+% humidity. Southern Manitoba can get surprisingly hot and humid. But I've also ridden in those conditions in California, Germany, Queensland, Victoria (state in Australia), and most recently, on Vancouver Island a couple weeks ago. It's borderline comfortable. It's fine if I've eased into it and have become used to it. It can be a bit of a shock if I've gone from temps in the teens to temps in the high 30s/low 40s ... as I did a couple weeks ago on Vancouver Island.

I spent December touring Queensland in 2004 ... December is summer there and gets very hot. So yes, tent camping in the high 30s/low40s.

I have travelled and cycled in southeastern US. My brother and his family live there.

My ideal cycling conditions would be from 25C to about 32C, but once I'm acclimatised, hotter is OK.

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Originally Posted by tandempower
Did you need visas for layovers? How long did you spend at each destination?
There is free travel between Australia and New Zealand. No visas needed. To get into Canada, I needed to obtain an electronic visa.

Had we gone through the US instead, however, I would have needed an ESTA. Machka would not have needed a visa, but certainly her Canadian passport to enter the US. In Europe, there are restrictions under the Schengen Zone rules that limit stays to 3 months covering all EU countries except the UK (and this applied before the Brexit vote).

Some people treat with disdain these things, but they exist for a reason which you evidently don't understand, despite the fact that you proclaim yourself as a thinker.

In fact, it might surprise you that there are people who are citizens of two countries, and conceivably could be of more than two countries at one time. They can carry two passports and have perfect right to pick which one they should use. Makes it very easy to head for destinations that have the weather which suits their activities.

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Old 07-10-17, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Take a wild guess at it. You've already gone a long way to answering your wonder by what you have written in a previous post in this thread.
I have no interest in playing guessing games on this topic. As I suspect, however, this is more than what Machka said, that you are just reflecting on your recent travels. If so, I wonder why you talking about visa politics in your posts. If you want to discuss visas, why not do it in P&R?
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Old 07-10-17, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Machka
Rowan needed an ETA for Canada.
I hold a dual citizenship: Canadian-Australia. I can come and go as I please between both countries.
Australia and New Zealand have an arrangement. As Australians, Rowan and I can come and go between both countries.

A month in Canada, several hours in NZ, and remaining in Australia until the next time we want to go somewhere.
So no visa were needed then. I wonder why he's talking about visas then.

The hottest temperatures I've ridden in are over 40C with 90+% humidity. Southern Manitoba can get surprisingly hot and humid. But I've also ridden in those conditions in California, Germany, Queensland, Victoria (state in Australia), and most recently, on Vancouver Island a couple weeks ago. It's borderline comfortable. It's fine if I've eased into it and have become used to it. It can be a bit of a shock if I've gone from temps in the teens to temps in the high 30s/low 40s ... as I did a couple weeks ago on Vancouver Island.
How do you sweat out heat when the air temperature is higher than body temperature? Was the humidity low enough for the wind to cool you? How much water did you go through? I tried hiking with a fairly heavy pack last summer in the high 90s and it was all but impossible. I had to stop so often and I didn't bring enough electrolytes so I started getting numbness and muscle cramps. I was drinking filtered river water, which some people don't seem to mind, but I found it hard to stay quenched with all the tanin.

I spent December touring Queensland in 2004 ... December is summer there and gets very hot. So yes, tent camping in the high 30s/low40s.
Did you go to sleep without washing, or did you have shower options? Did you hand wash clothes and, if so, how many days would you leave them dirty before washing them? Were you able to keep them as clean as you'd like, or do you just settle for what you can achieve with hand-washing?

I have travelled and cycled in southeastern US. My brother and his family live there.
Was it humid? Was it sunny or shady where you cycled? Did you find the sunlight particularly direct, or comparable with other sub-tropic regions you've toured?

My ideal cycling conditions would be from 25C to about 32C, but once I'm acclimatised, hotter is OK.
I like heat if I can manage it. I like walking without a pack in heat, for example. The hot breeze puts me in what I can only describe as sort of a drowsy state, but I won't get to wet from sweat if I just keep moving at a very light pace. Biking makes it easier to stay cool/dry with the breeze, but biking in the sun is less pleasant because of all the sweat and sun lotion mixing, and I don't like to bike with a shirt on in the heat, but I do to block the sun, and the small amount of insulation makes it less pleasant to bike. I know this is a male privilege that females don't get to enjoy, but I take what I can get
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Some people treat with disdain these things, but they exist for a reason which you evidently don't understand, despite the fact that you proclaim yourself as a thinker.
There are so many different reasons, it would be better to start a thread in P&R to discuss them. The question is which reasons are legit and which are just discriminatory, and whose interest they serve. I appreciated the Trump campaign metaphor of not wanting to gamble on a handful of skittles from a bowl where just a few random ones were poisoned, but I don't think security is the main interest behind visa restrictions, and that it has more to do with nationalist economic control. It's not nice to want to live somewhere for cultural reasons and then be forced to leave for economic/political ones; but again this is something to discuss in P&R, since we don't want to hijack the Heat thread, do we?
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I am trying to figure out what much of this has to do with heat.
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Well, it was a pretty pointless thread in car-free anyway. As it was, it evolved into discussing alternatives for those who dislike heat, and one of those options is to move to a more temperate climate. And further, one of those options is to move to another country, or at least spend the summer (or winter) there. But to do that, you also have to have some freedom of movement. Evidently, some don't have as much as they like because of their disdain for the law.

Anyway, there are whiners in this world, and there are doers.

Where do you stand on that one?
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Originally Posted by tandempower
I have no interest in playing guessing games on this topic. As I suspect, however, this is more than what Machka said, that you are just reflecting on your recent travels. If so, I wonder why you talking about visa politics in your posts. If you want to discuss visas, why not do it in P&R?
You were the one who picked out a particular phrase from Rowan's much longer post and wanted to talk about it.

An ETA is a type of visa, an electronic one ... and I believe Rowan used the terms "paperwork" and "legal obligation" in reference to our situation.

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Originally Posted by tandempower
How do you sweat out heat when the air temperature is higher than body temperature? Was the humidity low enough for the wind to cool you? How much water did you go through? I tried hiking with a fairly heavy pack last summer in the high 90s and it was all but impossible. I had to stop so often and I didn't bring enough electrolytes so I started getting numbness and muscle cramps. I was drinking filtered river water, which some people don't seem to mind, but I found it hard to stay quenched with all the tanin.
We use electrolytes, drink lots of water, and pace ourselves ... and, where possible, try to adjust to the temperatures prior to cycling long distances in them.


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Did you go to sleep without washing, or did you have shower options? Did you hand wash clothes and, if so, how many days would you leave them dirty before washing them? Were you able to keep them as clean as you'd like, or do you just settle for what you can achieve with hand-washing?
When I was touring in Queensland, my cycling partner and I were following the coast so we'd go for a swim in the ocean in whatever we were wearing to cycle once a day. Then we'd rinse off in the beach showers. We also camped in designated campgrounds most of the time, or stayed in hostels about once a week. I rarely handwash clothes. I use the laundry facilities in the campgrounds or hostels.

In Germany we did camp now and then (designated campgrounds, of course) but usually stayed in hotels.

On Vancouver Island, our "tour" was an overnight thing with a 210 km randonnee the first day, an overnight stay in a lovely B&B, and then a ride back to our starting point.

Most of the other hot weather situations were randonnees or in Manitoba, we called it "summer" and I experienced that for 13 years from where I lived.


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Was it humid? Was it sunny or shady where you cycled? Did you find the sunlight particularly direct, or comparable with other sub-tropic regions you've toured?
Sometimes humid, sometimes not. Sometimes sunny, occasionally shady. I've done a whole lot of cycling and a lot of rides in hot weather. I've also cycled in hot weather in many parts of the world: Australia, Canada, USA, Taiwan, Germany, France ...

Many of the hot weather rides I remember were on randonnees. On randonnees, you take what you get and deal with it. That's all part of the randonneuring experience. If they weren't randonnees, they were training rides or tours ... and again, I just ride in whatever's there.
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Originally Posted by Machka
You were the one who picked out a particular phrase from Rowan's much longer post and wanted to talk about it.

An ETA is a type of visa, an electronic one ... and I believe Rowan used the terms "paperwork" and "legal obligation" in reference to our situation.
There it is; more random visa mention. Then you accuse me of questioning why you keep bringing it up. Why do you keep mentioning it?
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Originally Posted by tandempower
There it is; more random visa mention. Then you accuse me of questioning why you keep bringing it up. Why do you keep mentioning it?


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The best parts of a summer day are morning and evening. I avoid the midday sun and heat. Having celtic and nordic ancestors means I don't have skin that can take much sun.

I have observed that most people in hot pre industrial societies also avoid the midday sun and heat.

There was a saying "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun".
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Riding at night is my preferred method of avoiding the heat.
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Originally Posted by tandempower
How do you sweat out heat when the air temperature is higher than body temperature?
Same way air conditioners work. Evaporative cooling. I've lived in the SE for 57 years. Shade and wind and sweat is the way to stay cool. I'm cooler on the bicycle. Even though I'm working harder than walking, making my own wind more than makes up for that.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Walter S
Same way air conditioners work. Evaporative cooling. I've lived in the SE for 57 years. Shade and wind and sweat is the way to stay cool. I'm cooler on the bicycle. Even though I'm working harder than walking, making my own wind more than makes up for that.
I agree. I can bike easier in the high 90s than hiking, especially with a pack. But Machka was talking about the 40s, which I believe translates to the 100sF, so I wonder if some people have a special ability to sweat out 98F body heat into 100+F air. How dry does the air have to be in the hundreds to evaporate sweat?
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Originally Posted by tandempower
I agree. I can bike easier in the high 90s than hiking, especially with a pack. But Machka was talking about the 40s, which I believe translates to the 100sF, so I wonder if some people have a special ability to sweat out 98F body heat into 100+F air. How dry does the air have to be in the hundreds to evaporate sweat?
It's not all or nothing. But even at 100% humidity the breeze cools me off certainly into the 100s compared to no breeze.
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Originally Posted by Walter S
Same way air conditioners work. Evaporative cooling. I've lived in the SE for 57 years. Shade and wind and sweat is the way to stay cool. I'm cooler on the bicycle. Even though I'm working harder than walking, making my own wind more than makes up for that.
I find riding much cooler than playing golf when it's 95F+.

There is a guy at my course with a golf bike, but he doesn't get going fast enough to generate a cooling breeze.
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Originally Posted by Walter S
It's not all or nothing. But even at 100% humidity the breeze cools me off certainly into the 100s compared to no breeze.
Never been a cold guy. I have lived in both kinds of weather from dry and hot to humid and hot to cool and cold and raining. As a clue I live in dry and hot. My wife on the other hand doesn't like heat and spends most of her time inside in the summer. I wear wicking shirts and shorts for daily wear and I also use wicking jerseys and cooling towels and even a cool gear skull cap that you soak in cool water before going out riding. In the winter I am close to dead in the water. If it drops to the 40s I am dressed like a Eskimo/Inuit. Long finger gloves, Base layer, long sleeve Jersey, jacket, Balaclava, insulated shoe covers/booties. I am about as aerodynamic as a box and my range decreases quite a bit. Like it has been said as long as I am moving and hydrate well I am fine in the summer. I can ride up to about 105 F in low humidity. I cannot ride under 32 F in the winter. I did not care for the east coast's hot and humid in the summer. So the two things that have caused me to move are cold and rain and Humidity. Your results may differ.

Of the countries I have visited personally I find traveling in places warm to hot to be easier then cool to cold.
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