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Old 08-01-05, 08:55 AM   #1
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my dad is interfering with car free

ok, when i was young i wanted my lisence. but my dad said only when you are old enough (~24). but now, i discovered the bike lifestyle. and now at 20, my dad is insisiting that i get my lisence. this is leading me to temptations, but i don't NEEED my lisence. he is saying that its good if i get it now for insurance purposes. anyhow, all my family, each time i see them, are asking me when am i getting my lisence. urggggg
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i've found life is a lot easier with one. i almost never drive, but there are times when i need to rent a car. or if there is an emergency and i need to drive, it's good to have one. it's also the most common form of ID, and although a passport will do the same thing, a license is easy to carry around.

my license has a 25 year expiration date, so i'm good until the year 2037!! if i had to renew it every couple of years, i might think differently about the whole thing.
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IMO, you should have a license, even if you don't drive.
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25 years expiration date. wow. i think its every 2 years here.

i love seeing the cops ask me do i have a lisence, and ask me if i am sure i don't. hehehe
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25 years expiration date. wow. i think its every 2 years here.
actually i made a mistake - it's much longer than that. i got it in 1998 and it expires in 2037 - so that's 39 years!

yeah, it's from the state of Arizona. i don't know if they still do it or not, but they offered me the choice of getting a standard license (which expires every 4 years) or the 39 year one (which cost an extra $20 bucks). the only problem is that my photo will be the same up until i'm 60 years old.
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I got my driver's license when I was twenty. I felt forced to but in the end I am glad I did. I might be expected to drive occasionally in both personal and professional matters. It does not define you. I think it makes you more flexible and comfortable in both car and bike worlds since both overlap all the time-we share the road no matter what vehicle you drive or pedal.
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ah yes, i agree.

i guess i just have this phobia that ill become lazy and become fat like my dad

my dad said he will pay for my insurance, so i guess ill get it. but i won't drive when i have completed the lisence course. ill lock the lisence card away!!
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If you are over 18, why is your father telling you what to do?
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My mother's pushing me into getting a driver's license as well--but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because so many job applications ask you whether you have one or not. Which is unfair, I think, but that's the way it is.

Unfortunately, NC requires that I pay $500-$1000 a year for insurance if I have a license. Even if I never drive.
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What is the age that you can get a license in Kanukistan?

Why did you father want to make you wait?
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Old 08-01-05, 06:28 PM   #11
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My mother's pushing me into getting a driver's license as well--but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because so many job applications ask you whether you have one or not. Which is unfair, I think, but that's the way it is.

Unfortunately, NC requires that I pay $500-$1000 a year for insurance if I have a license. Even if I never drive.
From the NC DOT Division of Motor Vehicles web site:

Even if you do not own or drive a currently registered vehicle you may still apply for a license, but a restriction will be placed on your driver's license. This restriction limits you to only driving "fleet vehicles" and costs $10.00 when you are ready to remove it from your license.

The form to fill out for that exemption is DL-123A.
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With the way things work, the Ontario license is a fairly cheap one to have. Having it could be useful for future employment and even could help you in your car-free lifestyle for the occasional car rental.

By the way, one trick I learnt 28 years ago is that I got my license in 1977 but bought my first car in 1983. I was then considered an "experienced driver" and paid less insurance because I had 5 years of driving experience without any accident. And if you ever subscribe to a community car system, they frown on inexperienced drivers who recently got their license.

In a nutshell, better to get the license and never use it.
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my dad said he will pay for my insurance, so i guess ill get it. but i won't drive when i have completed the lisence course. ill lock the lisence card away!!
You don't need insurance unless you own a car, though maybe you mean he's paying extra insurance for you to learn on his car. Oh wait, you're in Canada, maybe it's different there...
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you need a liscense. what if you have to haul lumber or something?
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Get the license - very convenient form of I.D.
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my license has a 25 year expiration date, so i'm good until the year 2037!! if i had to renew it every couple of years, i might think differently about the whole thing.
New York allows drivers to have licenses for 25 years!!! That's insane! (in a bad way) what
if the owner of such license becomes too debilitated to drive but continues to do so anyway?
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ok, when i was young i wanted my lisence. but my dad said only when you are old enough (~24). but now, i discovered the bike lifestyle. and now at 20, my dad is insisiting that i get my lisence. this is leading me to temptations, but i don't NEEED my lisence. he is saying that its good if i get it now for insurance purposes. anyhow, all my family, each time i see them, are asking me when am i getting my lisence. urggggg

Turbonium, the answer is obvious. You're an adult, if you don't want a license, don't get one.
A passport might come in handy for traveling, especially if you ever travel to the States
why would you need a license/insurance if you don't drive a car?
I'm guessing you Dad is more unhappy with your alt-life, then you're lack of driver's license.
don't be pressured into other people's choices for you.
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I think you're making the right choice to get a license. Life is not black and white or all or nothing, and if you have a license you still don't have to drive. There may be circumstances where you choose to drive (someone else's car) in an emergency or urgent situation, or there may conceivably be electric or solar cars in the future which you feel ethically ok about driving, and it'll be harder to get a license and insurance then. Having said that, you must do what is right for you.
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I think you're making the right choice to get a license. Life is not black and white or all or nothing, and if you have a license you still don't have to drive. There may be circumstances where you choose to drive (someone else's car) in an emergency or urgent situation, or there may conceivably be electric or solar cars in the future which you feel ethically ok about driving, and it'll be harder to get a license and insurance then. Having said that, you must do what is right for you.
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Exactly, get a liscence, lean to drive too. Then live car free, and be ready for an emergency or moving or whatever may happen.
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My experience says to get the license. A friend of mine got his license when he turned 16 or whatever age it is but he didn't drive or get insurance. When he finally needed to drive (no choice) at 28, he had a tough time finding a company to sign him on at a decent price. In the end, he was paying out of his nose so badly. He had to pay every month the equivalent amount of what I paid for half a year of coverage!! I think he had to do that for 6 months and if anything happened during that time period (accident, ticket...) he got penalized. Even after the 6 months, his rate was still higher than mine but at least reasonable.

As long as you've got coverage, the company doesn't know you didn't drive a car. And since your dad is going to pay for it anyway, you've got nothing to lose. And driving is a good skill to have anyway like taking your drunk friends home in their car. It'd be hard by bike.
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Yeah, good advice, everyone. I'm a tool oriented guy, and a potential oriented guy. I like being able to use whatever tools are near me, and I like being prepared for any circumstance. A drivers license, regardless of whether or not you actually drive, or like driving, or own a car, gives you both the ability to use a new tool, and the potential to solve all sorts of problems like drunk friends who need you to drive their car home for them (and won't complain when you throw your greasy bike in their trunk), driving cars in emergencies, etc. I learned to drive giant trucks for the same reason, not because I own a 27' cube truck, but because sometime you may need to hop in one and move it. Hey, you never know.

Having to pay insurance even without a car is odd, but it seems there is a way around it.

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Parents trying to make you wait until you're 24 to get a license?!? I think you're old enough to do whatever the hell you want. That's what I'd do.
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Good advice here from the majority. Get the license. I don't know about the insurance, I had no idea there were places that made a person carry auto insurance. Where I live you insure the car, and it has to be covered for other drivers if you intend to loan it out. That NC concept just seems backwards to me.

IMO there are some things that every person should learn, whether they intend to do them or not. Every person should learn to swim, ride a bike, drive, use simple hand tools (at least), handle a firearm, and basic first aid/CPR. Though I have to admit that I am very rusty on the old CPR thing and should go take another class and get certified. All of these things make us safer and give us more freedom.
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actually i made a mistake - it's much longer than that. i got it in 1998 and it expires in 2037 - so that's 39 years!

yeah, it's from the state of Arizona. i don't know if they still do it or not, but they offered me the choice of getting a standard license (which expires every 4 years) or the 39 year one (which cost an extra $20 bucks). the only problem is that my photo will be the same up until i'm 60 years old.
A standard AZ drivers license expires when you are 65. (Not sure how expiration works after you are 65.) There is no extra charge to get a licence that expires when you are 65, its standard.

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This is all very strange to me. Growing up in Texas I did not know anyone who did not get their D.L. the day of their 16th birthday. In fact, at the age of 15 in Texas one can a hardship license w/the signature of a consenting parent or guardian and the teen will have a license w/no restrictions. I know it all depends on where you are from. In New York it is not even practical to own a car. This is still a strange concept to me.

If it's about identification… check to see if your state will issue a state identification card. I know Texas will.

Bottom line… do what you want!
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