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Old 09-28-05, 08:06 PM   #1
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Very Interesting hand made Cargo bike

I saw this Today at the the B.C.A.T....Berkeley Center Apropiated Transportation, was hand made by a menber a few years back not much info about but is pretty easy to see a lot of work and design when into it...

I'm dyeing to speak with the designer & builder to learn more about it..

enjoy,,if you have any questions about specific fotos just ask maybe i can clarified with the little that I know..













My friend Nate the super Pedal blender expert takingabout were the bars may need to be for a confortable commute dutty




Here are a FEW other fotos if you like to see you can also make them Bigger by clicking again on the main picture

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Old 09-28-05, 09:57 PM   #2
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It is interesting.

Look at the last photo. That cable is just begging to catch something.
A sudden "tailhook" effect will sure wake you up!

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EDIT, EDIT, the Bike was made 17 years ago and is being run almost daylly for all that time carring things from babies to heavy loads EdIT EDIT complete


Tell me about it,,,

that is why I want to talk with the owner, my friends tell me the bike was build 5/6 ago (View Edit note) (so V-brakes were already available) so he most have a good reason to mount Canti's down there,, i was wondering why he did not mount them on the Upper member of the rear swing arm (bottom of it) to keep them away from hitting anything (maybe a little dificult to adjust)


I also have many questions.... for example

*Why is the toptube to freaking long...?

*why are the bars so low when you need a more erect posture so your neck can rotate and be able to look back in traffic..?

*why all the Suspension work for the minimal amount of benefit that you get..?
well suspension technology evolves faster than computers, so maybe he did not know better at the time.

*why only a rear rack..?
personally i will locate the loads as close to the ground as possible to keep the Center of gravity low and also spread the loads all over the bike not just the back,, but then again I did not build it, so until i do make one I don't have much right to be critical about it..

anyway i think is a great attempt and for sure a cool project to be involve specially if you are a Bikegeek like me

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Old 09-29-05, 08:21 AM   #3
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That is one ugly bike.
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I moved this thread to the alternabike forum.
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Looks to have taken inspiration from a spaceframed Moulton small wheeler...
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Looks to have taken inspiration from a spaceframed Moulton small wheeler...
I tend to agree, it seems with its suspension "modules" to be inspired by Moulton. And perhaps Buckminster Fuller.
Would someone with better design sense have a look at the central space frame and comment on the stresses? I can't see the need for making such a birdcage, but maybe I'm missing the point. Anything so lacking in eye appeal must be an engineering tour-de-force.
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With chainrings that size, everywhere he went must have been down hill both ways.

It looks like an "I built it because I can." project just to see an idea in the flesh. Actually, with an electric motor, taller handle bars, and more stylish forks that keeps the bird cage theme going, it might not be a bad vehicle if it handles well. It certainly looks rugged enough to handle just about anything.

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I moved this thread to the alternabike forum.
Lala can you at least Move it back to the "Living car free" or the "Commuter" forums I think that will more apropiate,,sincerlly i think the best place is in the main forum since is a very interesting and useful development...
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That is one ugly bike.
can see the ONES you make with your own hands to compare....??
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I tend to agree, it seems with its suspension "modules" to be inspired by Moulton. And perhaps Buckminster Fuller.
Would someone with better design sense have a look at the central space frame and comment on the stresses? I can't see the need for making such a birdcage, but maybe I'm missing the point. Anything so lacking in eye appeal must be an engineering tour-de-force.
I meet david today,,,what a cool guy...

Yes moulton was a big part of the Inspiration and mister Bucky too, actually many influences, the guy is fantastic so smart and sharp a total geek in every possible (nice) way.

actually we have a little event at the BCAT the place I voluntier , dave show us a few of the parts for his new bike.

take a look at his front fairing carring box structure


the workmanship was out of this world, this guys is not only a visionary but a very good craftman.



then we when for a ride with a bunch of people


This bike is so amazing, I got to ride it,, super stable, super capable


we end up in a nice park,,drinking Human Power smotties


Oh you want to brink,,,, you need to Pedal.


here is Nate that guy that makes the BikeBlenders



We also have some music thanks to Paul a really cool guy that raps about Bicycles, Make funky BIke discotecs and produce this awesome Light tubes that go on the bottom of your down tube


I don't think you can see the "Tube Lights" do to my camara Flash, but look close at the green lights in my red tandem,,,oh man they are so much fun



Anyway I'm really glad to be part of this community, somehow they live life at a Bicycle pace,,suffient but not rushing to go nowere...

I will take Pictures of david's newer bike when I get to see it at the weekend.
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With chainrings that size, everywhere he went must have been down hill both ways.
dude go back to your math class,,,when you are running smaller diameter wheels the gear need to be a lot larger to equalize the diference, actually this gears are exivalent to a 36/46" on a 26inch wheel

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It looks like an "I built it because I can." project just to see an idea in the flesh. Actually, with an electric motor, taller handle bars, and more stylish forks that keeps the bird cage theme going, it might not be a bad vehicle if it handles well. It certainly looks rugged enough to handle just about anything.
again this is not a "American choopers" Episode, this bike has not "Theme" is made the way is soppose too, No Electric Motors, since is a Human Power Vehicle, plus is made to test certain theories like stability and the related geometry of the fork rake and trail and the effect on handleling again this bike is a Proof of concept and a test bed to explore diferent set ups and arrengements,, this is ALL science No bling, No theatrical nothing, in fact i learn David run the bike unpainted for about 10 years when he was welding and rewelding pieces and evolving the design more and more.

oh the whole thing is about 32 pounds,,for that king of structure and capavilities is almost weightless

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Dude. Lighten up. I like the quirky looking bike!

My comments were based on the first set of pics and the info you provided about it. You've since given info that filled in the holes from your OP and your last set of pics gives a better perspective and I can see just how small the wheels are, hence the larger chain rings. For some reason, the wheel size didn't register with me in your OP. You've also edited a post since I last read it saying it was a successful project. I had the impression it's been sitting in a back room, forgotten about by the builder, possibly because it was a disappointment.

The electric motor idea was because it looks much heavier than 32 lbs. I wouldn't want to pedal a bike that was much heavier than that plus cargo even on level ground.

It has girder forks. If the legs were patterned after '40s motorcycle girder forks, they would be even stronger, not weigh much more, and yes, look better. There's nothing wrong with it looking good as long as it doesn't break the form follows function rule. By theme, I meant the visual form which is a by product of the way it was built. I didn't mean it should be OCC'd (yuck).

I used to ramble when posting on forums, a habit I've broken. Maybe I should loosen up some and explain myself more?

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can see the ONES you make with your own hands to compare....??
Just an observation. I don't understand why it has to be ugly--with big bolts and backwards-looking fork. There are plenty of handmade bicycles that are quite beautiful and show true craftsmanship. This one just does not fit into that category, is all. I didn't say YOU were ugly, so don't be so sensitive! Sheesh!
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The electric motor idea was because it looks much heavier than 32 lbs. I wouldn't want to pedal a bike that was much heavier than that plus cargo even on level ground.
I don't pedal around a bike+cargo+self combination of more than 165lbs, usually. But a lot of people have to pedal around a self that is more than 165lbs. 8 extra pounds of bike isn't so bad when you put it in perspective.

On the matter of having a bike with its cargo put above the rear wheel- it's really not that bad when that rear wheel is a 20 inch wheel. I ride around with a container of stuff attached above a 27-inch rear wheel and since i'm used to it it doesn't bug me, but i have to say the balance is better when i do the same thing on my folding bike with 20 inch wheels.
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I don't understand why it has to be ugly--with big bolts and backwards-looking fork.
It's a guy thing.
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I think it's GREAT looking! How often do you see a real departure from traditional bike design? I can only identify one tube, the headtube. All the others are crazystyle. This looks like a mega-micte or something. The craftsmanship here is obvious and impressive.
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Oh you want to brink,,,, you need to Pedal.




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Very cool! Looks like a Moulton frame.
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Hey Ricardo,
have you gotten a chance to take finished photos of Davids other cargo bike design??....with the front load fairing thing?
I love this kind of stuff.... his offset steering looks similar to fork designs Bimota and ELF motorcycles were using back in the '80's.... only they were hub center steering concepts I think.

Thank you for sharing, this is very awsome!
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