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    So How many of you DO NOT Know how to drive a CAR...???

    I'm just wondering how many "Car Free" people are Really car free and don't even know how to operate one...

    My self I have No freaking idea how to do it,, I guess i can always learn like anybody else but I don't really have desire or see the need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    My self I have No freaking idea how to do it,, I guess i can always learn like anybody else but I don't really have desire or see the need.
    Ditto.
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    I had a few driving lessons from my dad about 16 years ago. That was it. No car.

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    I have not drove a car in almost 20 years. Does that still qualify me?

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    I'm in the process of getting my driving liceaase, so technically I cannot drive.
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    *raises hands*

    I drove a car around a parking lot and a friend of mine let me drive once late at night. Asides from that, no real traffic experience.

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    I can drive. I have my drivers licence. I have had it for about 12 years. In all the time I have only driven about 30 times. I still renew it every year though, because I never know when I will need it.

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    Ricardo - Yeah, but you've got that crazy motorcycle with the bike rack!

    (or am I thinking of someone else?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim-bob
    Ricardo - Yeah, but you've got that crazy motorcycle with the bike rack!

    (or am I thinking of someone else?)
    Yeah but is not a BigAssCAR...

    the motorbike is almost a narrow as a bicycle in terms of space require for the road, supper efficient for a Internal combustion engine in terms of gazoline and smog, i can park it in between cars so it waste very little space, is for sure not as efficient as my Skateboard in terms to power to weight rathio but is not so bad..weights about 500pounds and most of the time carries 250(me plus gear) and many times a passnger plus the bicycles making it a possitive rathio. (maximum safe load about 830pounds)


    actually I study "Human trasportation" at school and I learn (scientific data) that every diferent vehicle have a reason to be,, yeah sociological, status play a part, but techical, efficiency,,,hell even for small Pipi sindromo you have to have a fancy something.
    the silly part is when you are trasnporting 200pounds on a 4000pound vehicle, but is also not to great to try to move 1000 ussing a 200pound body, what i'm trying to say if the techology is use wisselly is not so bad..

    personally I'm waiting for the final development on a Diesel KLR motorcycle so I can run One ussing biodiesel since I already help produce a lot of it and I comunity that I work at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Cyclist
    I can drive. I have my drivers licence. I have had it for about 12 years. In all the time I have only driven about 30 times. I still renew it every year though, because I never know when I will need it.
    actually last years I suffer a pretty serius accident , about 1300 milles from my house and then I wish I was capable of driving a car(truck in this case) since the logistics to bring me back were a nightmare and involve far more people that just one(me) if i was qualified to drive.

    so maybe is not so bad to know,,what you don't want is to use it all the time.
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    Don't drive, no license, never had one. Grew up without a car.

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    Car? what's that. Oh right those thing's that try to run me over. I don't know how to drive one of those things.

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    I have driven a car for no more than a handful of hours in my life, and never on the freeway. Thus I do not consider myself a competent driver, nor do I have any plans to become such unless need presents itself.

    My one fear for the future is that perhaps people will become so used to the mistaken idea that "everyone drives" that they will be unwilling to help a friend who needs to be driven some where out of need. This already appears to be occurring in America, and is similar to the notion that a person aught to never help a homeless individual because "they chose to be that way."

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    I'm 21 now and have never driven, although I've considered learning how just so if I have to I can save my from a DUI.

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    Awesome bike rack!!
    Yo, where did you get that bike rack from? I am thinking about getting a motorcycle as my first motorized vechile, and I would love to be able to carry my main means of transportation on it. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pakole
    Awesome bike rack!!
    Yo, where did you get that bike rack from? I am thinking about getting a motorcycle as my first motorized vechile, and I would love to be able to carry my main means of transportation on it. Thanks.
    I made It,,,actually is put togheter with a bunch of old and recycle bicycle parts, i just when into the dumster of a bike shop and took the stuff i think i need..

    take a look,,,first your typical VeryLOaded picture on my way to Alaska a few years back....Fun fUn FuN



    Here is a Whole gallery full of fotos of the loaded bike.

    now for the parts.


    I don't know if you can tell but the bike mount are made of Roadbike bars with MTB bars connecting them togheter


    the bottom "Compression" struts are made of 24Inch BMX bike rims.


    Okay I lie i also use some windsurf tubes to make the fork mounts. here is a detail of the Floating mount.


    here is on the Full working mode.


    Oh yeah the Plate I bend on a hydrolic brake and handdrill all the holes with a makita cordless drill(Only one i have at the time),,do i need to say it took for EvEr....

    Here is another foto gallery if you like to look some more.

    I also carry some big A^^ Loads,,,i'm 6'2'' just for scale


    for my business i need to take stuff to diferent shops to get machine some of them are 35/40milles away



    actually a few years back i move my whole house,,(even the bed) from San francisco to berkeley in 27 trips,, great excuse to visit my ex-girlfriend every night..

    here are someand more pictures of Loaded stuff

    Now back to regular programing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren
    I'm seriously considering doing the same. I'm taking the motorcycle safety foundation course (driver's ed for 2 wheels) and I'll try to remember to post my experiences here. I have my DL but I haven't spent much time behind the wheel so it should be interesting to see the difference between me and the other people in the course (car vs. bicycle experience).
    Lauren...(and the rest of you gals and guys) Motorcycles can be awesome efficient and fun but they can be also extremlly dangerous not just to yourself but others if you crash(tons of momentum),, anyway if you are responsable and careful i'm sure you will do just fine, for example i never drink or ride when I'm grumpy, is just to dangerous, you need to be very consious of what you are doing maybe that is a reason why i like motorcycles so much becuase the "Aling your brain" for the task at hand,,

    I highy recomend them if you need to travel long distance or even carry heavy loads, just be careful because they can make you kind of lassy.

    anyway start with something small, but not because is light, but because a low power bike actually teach you how to be more efficient in terms of power ussage and improve your choice of lanes ..

    if you need a hand finding the best bike for you, let me know maybe i can help...
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    Yo richard, could you give me a recommendations on a bike, so I can get a price ranges of what I should save up for. I have not even started to get a motorcycle licease, but I am highly interested. Also, you said that I should get a low power bike (like what hp, or rpm) I guess that will be in your recommendation. Thanks again.
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    Was talking to a really fit 70yo cyclist the other day and he said he grew up in a family that never owned a car, neither had he or his kids. Guess it happens..This was metro Denver.

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    i drove, but it's been about three years and i was bad, horribly dangerous then. now....i'm sure i should not drive. good thing i don't even want to, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakole
    Yo richard, could you give me a recommendations on a bike, so I can get a price ranges of what I should save up for. I have not even started to get a motorcycle licease, but I am highly interested. Also, you said that I should get a low power bike (like what hp, or rpm) I guess that will be in your recommendation. Thanks again.
    well.... what do you want to do with will be the first question...!?!?
    personally i try to only ride my motorcycle when i can not do the same task on my bicycle, actually the Bicycle suffer the same judment, because many times I go on my Skateboard or my skates..

    anyway assuming that you will ride your bicycle everytime you can, i will say you need a Motorcycle capable of going far,, the next question is do (will you) you commute or travel on the freeway..?
    back roads...? dirt roads,,,carring heavy loads..? passnagers..? dogs..? winter /summer only..?
    whatever that will impact the type of bike you want to get.
    for example if you ride on the freeway Only,, is not a big deal if the bike is big and heavy, since in a way the more mass you have makes the vehicle more stable and less prone to be move by the wind, rain or the elements even pieces of tread tyres and other obstables, generally heavy bikes aslo have stronger engines that will let you pass with ease, also keep in my Motorcycles are "AVoidance" vehicles,, in short you go around things,for that you need Power and agility (mostlly useful on high speed freeways) not like on a car that you use the brakes to stop before a collision, with that in mind a ligher bike always have less momentum to deal with and they are a little easier to manuver ,,do i make sense....!?!?
    I know is a little complicated and even wrost with my half A^^Ingles.
    i will say stay try to stay away from Cruisers(unless you are really Really short) (from harleys, to choppers to Japanaese cruisers) for a varaity of reasons, first their engines are ussually obsolete so they are very ineficient in terms of gazoline and power output plus the overall technology is kind of Old since is whatever is left out they can not install into any high performance engine or chassis, also do to the rake out possition of the forks (same as a bike with a very slack head angle) they are prone to be dificult to steer (I love agil bikes my self) so they "Kind" of handle on straight line but they are kind of clumssy in any twisty and challenging road, plus since you can not stand on the footpegs (feet controls are very far forward) you take all the impacts seating and sometimes that can hurt specially with the limited suspension on the cruisers,, as much as this crome bikes are about the looks, the race replicas suffer from similar sintoms but the other way,,they are super agil and mega powerful but at the end of the day unconfortable and somehow dangerous since the power delivery is very abrupt plus the wheel base on the bike is made short for better turning and weight transfer but also if you are not paying full attencion can ge you in trouble in no time..

    lets stop here,,on the topic to not make it more conffusing.

    also Body size is a concern, is kind of Funny when Bicycles are design around the "Human Power Engine" ussually motorcycles are design around the Internal combustion engine and some of this can be big and heavy making certain riders a little uncorfortable and some models become almost Impossible or at least very dangerous to ride if you are to small or to Big.

    but don't worry still a bunch of bike that work extremlly well, don't cost that much to buy or mantain and still that can bring you a smile everytime you ride them

    let stop here,,if you have more specific question I think i can alswer them one by one..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren
    I'm planning on getting a Kawasaki Ninja 250R. ___ on the forum has a 500R. I've heard that the 250 doesn't sound quite like most motorcycles, but that's not too much of a concern for me. The gas mileage is great (50 to 70 mpg), the insurance is low, and it is comparable to some 500s because of the high RPMs. The Buell Blast ("be last" according to one review) is one such example. the 250R is the only 250 with disc brakes on both wheels and a water cooled engine. The $3K MSRP (add $400 to $800 for taxes and tags and stuff) is probably what's most appealing to me over the bigger bikes. If I feel that the near 100mph top speed or 1-60 in slightly under six seconds won't serve my needs then I'm the problem, not the bike . Who knows if I'll end up with a bigger bike after grad school, but for now it sounds like all I need.
    Lauren exelent choice i love the 250 ninja's they are tinny, fast, very responsive, Fun, easy to keep up and for the amount of money and gazoline they cost they work really well, i will sugest you to look for a used one at your local craigslist or motorcycle trader since this bikes are use as a "STepping stone" for many riders, so is a million of them for sale ussually cheap,, you don't want to buy a new First bike, because no matter what your new bike is going to become "Old" the minute you drop it,,,but don't worry trying to not drop you bike is like trying to learn how to surf with out getting wet..


    There was a thread in Foo about motorcycles and a few people suggested the Suzuki GS500 as well. There's lots of online reviews of entry level bikes.
    In my Opinion,,they SUCK,, well if you spend some money in them to fix the issues with the cold start and the very ineficient carburator they are not so bad,, but the Ninja 500 is a far supperior machine from the start with a very similar price tag..

    my personal favorite is the Suzuki SV650,,,is tinny, light, the power delivery is very progresive so you can ride the bike as slow or fast as you want,, also you can find use ones for a about $2500/$3000 dollars since they sold a bunch of them...

    unless you are super small (around 4'10'-5'.2") you will fit on one just fine..


    Plan to spend $500 to $1,000 on gear as well. I got lucky and found a nice textile jacket in my size clearanced for $40, but the MSRP was $170 (women's extra small, same size as most women's smalls). I still have to buy a helmet, pants, boots, and summer gloves (bought some winter ones already).
    I can tell you are going to be a great candidate for this,,

    safety gear is paramount, i don't really spend money on "fashion suits" but everytime i go on a long ride i'm wearing about $3000 in equipment,,,yes i'm a little geek about it,,
    let see a $600 helmet ( the helmet needs to be as Well made as the "stuff" is inside of it... so don't go cheap on it,,,remeneber you "Live" inside of it, so is very important that is light and well ventited so you can enjoy,, neddless to say you need a "FullFace" helmet not like the half mellon on "american chopper"
    Jacket,,personally I have leather but I preffer my textile jackets, because they are a lighter and work far better on diferent climate condiccions, I have one (my favorite) that cost me about $700 dolllars ( i use it for about 150,000milles with 3-4 spills and i'm still here as well as the jacket),,,again you need the best the money can buy because gennerally when you are crazing you don't have time to place pillows were you are going to fall,,,well you get the idea.
    I also wear a back protector,,,,the way I see it If i dye ,,,oh well.... but as much as I like bicycles and wheels I will not like to be on one for the rest of my days,, again i'm not trying to be pesimistic or offensive in anyway but is better to be prepare than to be cut unprepere..

    pants,, leather is great do to the abrasion resistence but is also a great variaty of "Cover all' that let you wear your daylly work clothes under, so you just take them out when you get to your destination..

    I will say Gloves and boots are extremlly important,,well gloves are kind of ovvius but many people don't really think much about their ankles until they break or bend them do the tremedous leverage that a wrong fotting can provide if not a accident..
    personally I have 7 sets of serius boot and about the same in "good looking motorcycle boots" the first seven are very specific from racetrack to long term touring (a lot of walking involve) to dirt boots to full on motocross boots were you can not even walk on the silly boots but the protection is incredible..

    whatever you do before you start to ride, take a class like the MSF course and get use to the bike on a parking lot or a empty area before you go into the "Real world"
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    Quote Originally Posted by humancongereel
    i drove, but it's been about three years and i was bad, horribly dangerous then. now....i'm sure i should not drive. good thing i don't even want to, right?

    My doctors tell me i have a problem with my "Peristaltic" sistem (equilibrium) and that my body is not use to the way car lean,,since they lean the "Wrong way" on a skateboard, bicycle, motocycle or a airplane the vehicle "Carve" the turn= the whole machine leans to the center of the turn, when on a car the certrifugal force trys to move you outwards,,,

    hey I even have a medical explanation to not like them, because I get sick everytime I'm inside of one..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lauren
    The only bad things I have heard about the Ninja 250 are just general comments about 250s or the anti-sportbike stuff my father says (he used to ride motocross, there's no way he can make me get a cruiser). Not a lot of used ones for sale in my area, but I'm going to try to find one anyway. I'm 5'5" so that's a big part of my decision.
    the view of motorcycles in the US is like any other American thing,,Bigger is better so don't pay attencion to the Squids and keep riding all along..
    is kind of Funny I spend some time in europe last year riding around and in many towns a cityes like barcelona people will look at you "FunnY for being on a big bike since everybody(from old people to executives,tyo students, to fashion models,,,etc) rides 50cc two stroke scooters since they are so fast and small they fit almost anywere at any time..

    taking about the Ninja 250,, I have a really good friend that races one (and ussually wins the AFM circuit),, well by now is like a 296CC and cost more than $10,000 because of all the fancy parts, he also have a Zawasaki ZX10 one of the most powerful and Fastest straight line bikes ever produce,, the funny part is that on a really twisty "real road" with Bumps, gravel, dirt, cars,, etc.. he is faster on the 250cc that he is on the 1000cc since he can keep the momentum going and the lack of mass on the bike make it handle like a Bicycle that goes really reallY freaking fast

    I see people riding around here all the time in sneakers, and sometimes they don't even tuck in the laces! I used to work for a veterinarian so I saw a lot of road burn (a dog that gets hit by a car is pretty similar to a motorcycle accident: big impact then being dragged over the pavement for a while). I could see how a bad fall could eat through your skin and some of the bone in your ankle, maybe needing the joint fused or at least lots of physical therapy if you were lucky enough to avoid amputation. No thanks.
    well that is why many times motorcyclist are call "organ donnors" by the cops and ambulance drivers..other more experince motorcyclist call them "Squid" kind of a Un-skill, illpreper, over confident Dumm A^^,that is also easy to recognize bacause they wear matching COLOR outfits to be bike, from helmet to shoes (when they are wearing anything)sadlly many of them don't last to long, since their riding is control by their the "Lower managment sistem" if you know what I mean..

    anyway you don't need to be like them, is a bunch of summer garmets that let you ride in comfort with out much detriment in safety


    I'm probably not going to spend quite as much on a helmet since the cheap ones protect just as well according to the June 2005 issue of Motorcyclist http://motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/hatz/ I agree that anything less than full face is pretty stupid (I like my jaw).
    I desagree with that....

    the DOT and the Anzi 422( I think is the number) are static test that only measure certain parameters, the europen test are far superior and give you a better criteria for the helmet selection

    just remeneber the your cranium is attach to your upper body by your neck(spine) and a heavier helmet with poor aerodinamics and bad visivility is going to bring far more energy in terms of muscles, pain and possible injury, ussing a example some helmets are as cheaplly made as Huffy's other are as well made as Colnago's(but all of them rool and esencially work pretty much the same) and believe me you can feel the diference, not only the minute you put it the helemt on, but after some time when the cheap helmets falls apart and the good one only need to be wash... I'm just asking you to get a "Specialized" so your body is happy and you are safe.(beleive me sadlly I know)

    also remenber Motorbike helments are a "One time use only" since they are design to spread the load of a impact into a much widder area dissipating the forces that can affect you head in the long term, this is ussually achive by a "Crumpuling" effect (I'm, sure is spell wrong) were the foam and the fibres break down so the energy is difuse.

    anyway sound like you are ready for battle, so i congratulate you on your need transportation method..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    well.... what do you want to do with will be the first question...!?!?
    personally i try to only ride my motorcycle when i can not do the same task on my bicycle, actually the Bicycle suffer the same judment, because many times I go on my Skateboard or my skates..
    I feel the same way about a motorcycle. I want it to be my last resort in getting somewhere either quicker or farer than I could reasonable get on my bike, among other things.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    anyway assuming that you will ride your bicycle everytime you can, i will say you need a Motorcycle capable of going far,, the next question is do (will you) you commute or travel on the freeway..?
    back roads...? dirt roads,,,carring heavy loads..? passnagers..? dogs..? winter /summer only..?
    I am interested in going on freeway since this bike will be for farer commutes. I am also interested in carrying moderate loads (my uniform, and a bible) I want a passanger capable bike, so when I am ready I can take my finance along. I also want it availalbe for all year round. Even through, I will be cycling in the winter, my effective range will decrease, and I need something to cover that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    whatever that will impact the type of bike you want to get.
    for example if you ride on the freeway Only,, is not a big deal if the bike is big and heavy, since in a way the more mass you have makes the vehicle more stable and less prone to be move by the wind, rain or the elements even pieces of tread tyres and other obstables, generally heavy bikes aslo have stronger engines that will let you pass with ease, also keep in my Motorcycles are "AVoidance" vehicles,, in short you go around things,for that you need Power and agility (mostlly useful on high speed freeways) not like on a car that you use the brakes to stop before a collision, with that in mind a ligher bike always have less momentum to deal with and they are a little easier to manuver ,,do i make sense....!?!?
    Your comments make sense. I just want to make sure I am looking in the right direction when I get my first motorcycle. Since I am used to riding my bike, I am used to avoiding everything, and looking out for potholes and other obstcales including people. I have had very limited time in a car, so I have very little experiential knowledge in term of mauever around the road, but I am sure there are more things to consider on a motorcycle than a bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    I know is a little complicated and even wrost with my half A^^Ingles.
    i will say stay try to stay away from Cruisers(unless you are really Really short) (from harleys, to choppers to Japanaese cruisers) for a varaity of reasons, first their engines are ussually obsolete so they are very ineficient in terms of gazoline and power output plus the overall technology is kind of Old since is whatever is left out they can not install into any high performance engine or chassis, also do to the rake out possition of the forks (same as a bike with a very slack head angle) they are prone to be dificult to steer (I love agil bikes my self) so they "Kind" of handle on straight line but they are kind of clumssy in any twisty and challenging road, plus since you can not stand on the footpegs (feet controls are very far forward) you take all the impacts seating and sometimes that can hurt specially with the limited suspension on the cruisers,, as much as this crome bikes are about the looks, the race replicas suffer from similar sintoms but the other way,,they are super agil and mega powerful but at the end of the day unconfortable and somehow dangerous since the power delivery is very abrupt plus the wheel base on the bike is made short for better turning and weight transfer but also if you are not paying full attencion can ge you in trouble in no time..
    I am glad you say that because I was totally not intereseted in a cruiser, and I want a bike that puts me in a forward postion (, so pretty much sport and "supersport") I am spoiled with my road bike, and I want a position like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    lets stop here,,on the topic to not make it more conffusing.
    OK, but I appercate anyhting that you have to add.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo kuhn
    also Body size is a concern, is kind of Funny when Bicycles are design around the "Human Power Engine" usually motorcycles are design around the Internal combustion engine and some of this can be big and heavy making certain riders a little uncorfortable and some models become almost Impossible or at least very dangerous to ride if you are to small or to Big.

    but don't worry still a bunch of bike that work extremlly well, don't cost that much to buy or mantain and still that can bring you a smile everytime you ride them

    let stop here,,if you have more specific question I think i can alswer them one by one..
    OK, I am 6 2, and I weigh 215 pounds. My bikes are over 60 cm or 24 inches, so I have no problem with big bikes, since it will probably be the only way that I am comfortable. The following are motorcycles that I like from the look of it.

    Honda CBR600F4i, and CBR600RR (I like the other more powerful designs, but this was the least powerful design that I am comfortable riding.)
    Kawasaki ZZR 600 ( i could see myself on the other more powerful design, but I like Honda's and Susuki's better.)
    Susuki GS500F ( I really like the other more powerful designs, but this is the only bike under 500cc)

    Anyway, I do not know if these are good or not, and I have about 7 months before I even buy one anyway. You do not have to convince me to get used, because I will. I apperciate any additional comments you have. Thanks.
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