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Old 11-25-05, 06:05 PM   #1
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Local Hummer gets owned!

Visiting my mother in San Francisco's Mission district today, she pointed out a big white Hummer H2 that had been parked in the alley she lives on for two days. Upon inspection, we found that the two tires facing the sidewalk were flat, I guess deliberately cut, and one of the windows on that side had been smashed out.

When mom told me she thought someone must have been jealous of the car or owner, I thought back to the BF and told her that it probably wasn't jealousy that caused this but anger at the owner for having such a waste of space vehicle. Either that or it was stolen and abandoned there seeing as the owner didn't retrieve their broken Bummer.

+1 for not owning a broke weinermobile!

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Old 11-25-05, 09:49 PM   #2
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you know, i don't want to condone wanton destruction of moronic property....

but this thread did make me smile.

one less hummer....for now, at least, and that's better than nothing.
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Old 11-26-05, 03:25 AM   #3
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In the city of SF, apparently drivers are famous for parking so their cars straddle the sidewalk, making it impossible for others to walk by without going out into the street and getting run over. Annoying for an able-bodied walker, downright criminal for an elderly, disabled, etc person.
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In the city of SF, apparently drivers are famous for parking so their cars straddle the sidewalk, making it impossible for others to walk by without going out into the street and getting run over. Annoying for an able-bodied walker, downright criminal for an elderly, disabled, etc person.
This is very common here in Europe, where people insist on parking in narrow streets with narrow sidewalks: they just park on the sidewalk, and screw pedestrians and (more importantly) wheelchair users.

In my bag, I always carry a bunch of sticky signs saying "this isn't a parking space" that I stick on the windshield, right in the middle of the driver's field of vision, whenever I encounter a sidewalk hugger. The signs are made of porous paper, and the glue is terribly sticky and gooey. It takes 3 hours to remove all traces of the sign, and if it rained on it, well... think duct-tape after 3 days in the sun .

A friend of mine, who is blind, usually starts hitting the car with his cane very hard, as if he was really mad and trying to feel his way around the car, then when the car is nicely done up and scratched, he pulls his cell phone and calls the police to come pick up the car. The police know him very well, and make a point of coming as fast as they can.
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Old 11-26-05, 09:26 AM   #5
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Where do you live, and where can I get those stickers?
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I just had a good idea. Just keep around a can of sardeins and if a window is open plop them in the car. If not, just open them on the air conditioning intakes at the base of the windshield. You have to take it apart to get the smell out. I know this because in high school I was an offroader and so were some freinds and we were always pulling bad pranks out of somewhere on our vehicles. Oh, and BTW the offroaders hate H2s as well because they are crap. Rock on for the hummer getting P0oned!
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Old 11-26-05, 10:45 AM   #7
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Look at the Hummer ads posted between posts #2 and 3 of this tread Interesting irony A Hummer bashing thread generates a series of Hummer ads
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Old 11-26-05, 11:21 AM   #8
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Where do you live, and where can I get those stickers?
I got them in Toulouse, France. I no longer live there, but I still have a box of stickers. I had them custom-made: the university I was studying at used to stick similar stickers on student cars parked on teacher spots. I got a few of them on my windshield and that taught me good. When I went car-free years after, I went back to my old alma mater to ask them where they got those gems, and they told me they had them custom-made by a small shop that specializes in custom printing, engraving and banner-making for advertisement and marketing purposes.

When I went to that shop, they had reams of the horrible sticky paper, ready to print nastygrams on, so I had them make me several boxes with "respect bike lanes", "this isn't a parking space", "are you handicapped? I didn't see your placard", "I don't lock my bike on your driveway, don't park on my bike path", "if you were in a wheelchair, you'd hate people who park like you did" and other such messages printed on in bright red, for motorists who parked their cars like pigs. These signs were a big success at my local bike club, and I sold quite a few at a markup to cover my costs.

If you're interested, I can find out exactly what shop it was, but I suppose any such printing shop would be able to help you with a simple custom job like this. Don't go with regular glossy sticker stuff, as they're expensive and easy to remove, but rather sticky paper (it's nothing more than regular printer paper with a sticky side, with a nasty strong duct-tape-ish sort of glue).

Just so you know though, I had several close calls with the owners of the vehicles I was tagging (either they were close-by, watching out for meter maids, or they were coming back to their cars while I was doing my deed) and a couple of times, I managed to ride away just in time before getting a punch in the face. Also, I think such guerilla activism is illegal, because it's probably akin to voluntary degradation of property and vigilantism. Not to mention, it arguably does a disservice to the car-free movement at it paints all cyclists as hysterical leftist nutjobs who respect nothing to push their agenda. I always used my stickers only on the very worst offenders, because usually these guys don't care about anything outside their cars anyway, but still, if you do it, be careful not to ruin it for everybody else.
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In my bag, I always carry a bunch of sticky signs saying "this isn't a parking space" that I stick on the windshield, right in the middle of the driver's field of vision, whenever I encounter a sidewalk hugger. The signs are made of porous paper, and the glue is terribly sticky and gooey. It takes 3 hours to remove all traces of the sign, and if it rained on it, well... think duct-tape after 3 days in the sun .
That's just too cool.
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Old 11-26-05, 02:50 PM   #10
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Look at the Hummer ads posted between posts #2 and 3 of this tread Interesting irony A Hummer bashing thread generates a series of Hummer ads

What in the H are ads for Hummers doing in this forum?
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What in the H are ads for Hummers doing in this forum?
I assume some kind of 'bot saw the word Hummer and the ad was automatically put in.
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Old 11-26-05, 10:19 PM   #12
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i believe you meant to say "PWNED"
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Not to mention, it arguably does a disservice to the car-free movement at it paints all cyclists as hysterical leftist nutjobs who respect nothing to push their agenda. I always used my stickers only on the very worst offenders, because usually these guys don't care about anything outside their cars anyway, but still, if you do it, be careful not to ruin it for everybody else.
the hummers and a great many drivers are already ruining it for everyone else, and painting themselves as hysterical (g)*******s any time someone outside a car sticks up for their own rights.
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I think just "wheat paste" and ordinary paper will make a good sticky um, sticker, political types who put up posters swear by wheat paste, and apparently it works so well it's outlawed in some areas - I think it's just wheat flour + water.
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A H*mmer is a mock-up of a large military vehicle. Push a baby stroller through a cross-walk where one of these gigantic vehicles is looming over you, and you may get the creepy feeling that the H*mmer is part of some military invasion force. A commercial H*mmer is inefficient at moving cargo around; it is inefficient at moving people around; its main purpose seems to be to make pedestrians and small vehicles feel unwelcome on their own streets. If the H*mmer driver wants to "play soldier", why don't they just get some toy plastic soldiers and head for their own backyard sandbox?
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A H*mmer is a mock-up of a large military vehicle.
I'm no specialist, but I was under the impression that the H1 was the genuine article, and the H2 is a Chevy Tahoe in disguise, am I wrong? at least one of the models would be a true large military vehicle, or close enough.

At any rate, neither a civilian H1, H2 or a Tahoe has any real reason to exist on the road today...
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A H*mmer is a mock-up of a large military vehicle. Push a baby stroller through a cross-walk where one of these gigantic vehicles is looming over you, and you may get the creepy feeling that the H*mmer is part of some military invasion force. A commercial H*mmer is inefficient at moving cargo around; it is inefficient at moving people around; its main purpose seems to be to make pedestrians and small vehicles feel unwelcome on their own streets. If the H*mmer driver wants to "play soldier", why don't they just get some toy plastic soldiers and head for their own backyard sandbox?

Exactly. This is a vehicle designed for a specific task: killing people outside it - or in the case of the newer models, designed to LOOK like a killing machine. And those of us outside them who find them threatening and want them out of our communities are the wackos?!
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I want to see the predecessor of the Hummer on the street, the eternally-ugly Gamma Goat.
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Wheat paste

Prepare 1 cup (2.4 dl) of very hot water. Make a thin mixture of 3 tablespoons (45 ml) of white flour and cold water (just enough to wet all the flour and make it liquid enough to pour). Pour the cold mixture slowly into the hot water while stirring constantly. Bring to a boil. When it thickens, allow to cool. Smear on like any other glue. For slightly better strength, add 1 tablespoon (15 ml) of sugar after the glue is thickened. After using a portion, reheat the remaining in a covered jar or container to sterilize it for storage or keep refrigerated. If wheat flour is not available, other flours will work.
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I've never made this, but I'd imagine you'd want to remove the paste from the pan you cooked it in pretty quickly, probably before it cools, then wash that pan immediately. Not that flour and water is toxic or anything, but as it dries it probably sticks to the pan like...well, you know.
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I've never made this, but I'd imagine you'd want to remove the paste from the pan you cooked it in pretty quickly, probably before it cools, then wash that pan immediately. Not that flour and water is toxic or anything, but as it dries it probably sticks to the pan like...well, you know.
Putting it in a thermos is the best way to keep it at the proper temperature.
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Not to mention, it arguably does a disservice to the car-free movement at it paints all cyclists as hysterical leftist nutjobs.
Well, in my case, if the shoe fits.....
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I'm no specialist, but I was under the impression that the H1 was the genuine article, and the H2 is a Chevy Tahoe in disguise, am I wrong? at least one of the models would be a true large military vehicle, or close enough.

At any rate, neither a civilian H1, H2 or a Tahoe has any real reason to exist on the road today...

Yes you are correct.
Am H2 is just a Chevy Tahoe with more squarish body pieces.
That squarish look really seems to get peoples panties all knotted up.
They are fine when they are full of people or towng, you can't say they should not exist, anymore than a pickup or a Subaru that only gets 20mpg should exist, but it is a bad choice for a commuter.
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Vans, pickup trucks, and SUVs that weigh more than 8,500 pounds gross vehicle weight are classified as heavy-duty vehicles. HUMMERs fall into that category (and one uses diesel fuel). Fuel economy regulations do not apply to them, but here are a few related facts:

2004 Hummer H1

* 6.5L turbo-diesel V-8.
* Fuel tank holds 25 gallons.
* Has a cruising range of 400 miles at an average of 30-40 mph over a hard surface and rolling terrain.
* That's 16 mpg.

2004 HUMMER H2 SUV

* Vortec 6000 6.0L V-8.
* Fuel tank holds 32 gallons.
* Cruising range of 310 miles at an average of 30-40 mph over a hard surface and rolling terrain.
* That's 9.6 mpg.

2004 HUMMER H2 SUT

* Vortec 6000 6.0L V-8.
* Fuel tank holds 32 gallons.
* No cruising range given.

Gas mileage figures are not posted on Hummer window stickers because the car weighs so much it is exempt from mileage-reporting requirements. It outweighs the Tahoe by almost 3000 pounds and requires the 6L Vortec 6000 V8 as opposed to the Tahoe with its 4800 (2wd) or 5300 (4wd) Vortec engine.
While the diesel Hummers mileage matches the Tahoe 4wd, the gas Hummers mileage is dramatically worse.
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* Fuel tank holds 32 gallons.
* No cruising range given.

Gas mileage figures are not posted on Hummer window stickers because the car weighs so much it is exempt from mileage-reporting requirements. It outweighs the Tahoe by almost 3000 pounds and requires the 6L Vortec 6000 V8 as opposed to the Tahoe with its 4800 (2wd) or 5300 (4wd) Vortec engine.
While the diesel Hummers mileage matches the Tahoe 4wd, the gas Hummers mileage is dramatically worse.

I have no idea where you get your figures, but the H2 is listed at 13/16 mpg epa.
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