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Old 04-28-06, 04:59 AM   #1
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Xtracycle Slideshow

I pretty much agree with this slideshow...everything is very true:

http://www.xtracycle.com/media/slide600/slideshow.html
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Old 04-30-06, 01:14 AM   #2
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sweet slideshow...love the music...

BTW...picked up my xtracycle bike today from the LBS...rides great!!! wow...its like a hammock on the road and really sucks up the bumps...

it's super fun....i got the oddest looks riding it here in so. cal....so far, the first day, it's pretty awesome...can't wait to break it in on some photoshoots next week...
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Old 05-07-06, 07:00 PM   #3
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yup..the yukon of bikes..a SUB!
perhaps one day for me..
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its awesome. before i had it, it was like driving a car with no trunk or space to put anything... now i can do alot. i think the hype is pretty much real on this thing.
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Xtracycles? I want one! I have some questions though, maybe y'all can help?

1. Do you think they'd fit on a frame with horizontal dropouts? Do you think it would be possible to ride fix/singlespeed on one without something like the Surly Singleator- would getting chain tension right be really hard?

2. Is it hard to get on and off the bike? As in, if I don't have derailleurs and all that, how long would it take to get my bike into our out of an Xtracycle? Is this a permanent thing, or can I just attach when I need groceries?
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I am not being as ass, but out of curiosity - Why did those of you that have a Xtracycle buy it instead of a trailer of some kind? The ability to hold another person?

A bike maker should make a bike similar to this. Maybe a three-wheeler with a flat bed. Now that would hold a lot of cargo.
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Old 05-09-06, 02:32 PM   #7
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hey pricklycommute....i can't answer the dropout question, but i think the xtracycle is a semi-permanent thing...not hard to take on and off if you're mechanically inclined...for me, however, i see the xtracycle as more or less staying on....it really is a great invention...

i rode it with some camera gear yesterday for a shoot...Long Beach to Balboa Island...about 46miles roundtrip and it performed great....

why an xtracycle instead of a trailer? I have used two trailers...single wheel (BOB like trailer) and a double wheel design (Burley Flatbed)...having used the trailers and the xtracycle, I can say that the xtracycle is my beast of burden of choice...

the singlewheel trailer is good for light and small loads, otherwise it puts a lot of torque on the bike...it tracks well, but if its fully loaded you can feel it push the bike on stops...

the same goes for the burley flatbed...i think the burley handles better since it carries more of the burden than a single wheel, but the downside is that it is wide and two wheels add drag...it's also tough to maneuver through traffic

the xtracycle's open cargo design lets me carry long things or tall things and strap it down....it's also more maneuverable through traffic, which is a huge plus....also, i don't get that feeling that a trailer is pushing me when i'm stopping...granted, it still takes a while to stop with a big load, but it feels more solid....

hope that helps
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The Xtracycle is also more elegant than a trailer.
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Excellent music. These things are pretty expensive, no?
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These things are pretty expensive, no?
Yeah, something like 5% the average annual operating cost of a car, not counting gym membership. Outrageous!
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Yeah, something like 5% the average annual operating cost of a car, not counting gym membership. Outrageous!
I only ask because I'm curious in getting one and don't feel like doing any real research tonight (it's been a long day). I suppose it can wait until tomorrow...
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it seems a bit pricey (heck you could buy 3 walmart bikes for that much but it really is worth it if you plan on doing a lot of commuting by bike....i wish i had discovered it before i went through two trailers...

speaking of which...anyone interested in buying a folding BOB trailer? essentially the same design but folds, made by a recumbent company called actionbent...letting go for $100
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What do most people attach Xtracycles (or whatever the SUB thing is called) to? Road bikes? Cruisers? Hybrids?
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Slideshow... ...too painful to watch... ...want one so bad....

I know there's got to be an extra $399 laying around here somewhere.
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Old 05-10-06, 05:37 AM   #15
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theyre definitely not selling helmets thats for sure.

ps music is bonobo
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Old 05-10-06, 08:06 AM   #16
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Folks have made fixed and single Xtracycles...I'm mystified, personally. Maybe they live where there aren't hills...but I live where there aren't hills and I treasure my gearing especially with passengers onboard.

As for why a trailer over an Xtracycle? Well, I wasn't looking for a trailer when I found the Xtracycle, I was looking for a rack and panniers. I saw Xtracycle and realized that it was what I was looking for; trailers were never considered, as they take away too much of what makes a bike wonderful for me, like beating traffic wherever I go. I can carry a passenger and bags, sacks of concrete, shop vacs...only notice it's there, unloaded, going through doors (I can still get it onto the train and into most people's living rooms).

The hype on this one is real, and I fully expect the SUB to become a recognized category of bike on the streets of America within a few years. Critical mass is fast approaching; it just plain answers a widespread need for a true two-wheeled cargo and passenger bike, which since most people cannot conceive of they cannot articulate. When you see one, you get it.

The best part of riding an xtracycle is all the stuff I can haul. People constantly giving me slack in traffic, shouting out their windows or from the street about how cool my bike is, and surrounding it in admiring pools when I park it outside stores...these are just a perk, and the privilege of an early adopter. I remember one particularly hairy intersection, multiple bikes, cars gridlocked by pedestrian traffic...I took a circuitous route through this mess that came close to cutting off pedestrians, and their comment was "hey, cute bike!" which was slack by any measure.

Yeah...consider it. With gasoline at $3.10 a pop, and a twenty gallon tank, that's six tanks of gas and change for the complete kit. Anyone think gas is going to stay at 3 bucks with the Iran conflict looming and another season of hurricanes on the way?

Old Dirt Hill, my Xtra is attached to a 700c hybrid (trek 7200 frame with mostly replacement kit). If I was building one up from the ground I would be tempted to go with the 26" wheelbase and build it on a mountain bike frame. This would give better clearance between the wheel and Snapdeck, which can compress enough during a passenger ride that I've had it start dragging. Others have used a hybrid frame and 26" wheels, getting around the brake problem by using disks. I can't suggest a road bike, as you'll take away most of what makes a road bike great, but it can be fit to some road bikes. Better to just get a used mountain bike or hybrid in good shape and save your roadie for whipping along the road, fancy-free.
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Old Dirt Hill, my Xtra is attached to a 700c hybrid (trek 7200 frame with mostly replacement kit). If I was building one up from the ground I would be tempted to go with the 26" wheelbase and build it on a mountain bike frame. This would give better clearance between the wheel and Snapdeck, which can compress enough during a passenger ride that I've had it start dragging. Others have used a hybrid frame and 26" wheels, getting around the brake problem by using disks. I can't suggest a road bike, as you'll take away most of what makes a road bike great, but it can be fit to some road bikes. Better to just get a used mountain bike or hybrid in good shape and save your roadie for whipping along the road, fancy-free.
Atman, are you aware that Xtracycle provides some spacers that should raise the level of the v-racks when used with 700c bikes, so you don't get the rub? I agree with you that 26" is the way to go. I also agree about saving the roadie for being a roadie. The Xtracycle lets you take all the racks, baskets etc off your minimalist bikes.
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That figures, todd; those guys have thought of everything. I received a 26" by mistake (and not xtracycle's mistake either), so my replacement freerad didn't have the spacers. I'll just get them to toss some into my next order of kit.

Thanks for the tip!
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I'm looking forward to taking my xtracycle camping this summer: the long wheelbase climbs well and we have some great trails scout for camping.

I haven't any trailer experience, just panniers. I really enjoy my xtracycle. I'd really like to set it up with an internal geared hub. Now that's a way to go!
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I am seriously obsessed with the Xtracycle and I must have one! But I am having a hard time making up my mind... I have a Trek 7200 hybrid with a ladies step-thru frame which I think would be perfect for the conversion. But then are 26" wheels really better? Because now they are selling the whole kit and kaboodle. But would the 8 speed internal hub really be ok for hauling stuff - not big stuff all the time but stuff frequently. Maybe the 21sp Townie would be a better option?

Another question I have is how do you secure stuff when you make multiple stops? Like from one grocery to another (we have two close to each other where I live and one has better produce then the other). Any current Xtracycle users have any ideas for this?

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EllenDSD-

Securing stuff is an issue. I heard about one person making some sort of lock on the pannier.

I think as long as there is non valuable stuff you should be okay.

One thing about the xtracycle though, you may have to eventually upgrade your rear wheel. I put a TON of stuff on it one time, and since my rear wheel was already out of true, it bended even more. So now I'm upgrading my rear wheel to the sturdiest I can get. I should never have any more problems hopefully.

I have a hybrid, with 700 X 40 C wheels. This is the utmost maxium wheel size you can have for the 700 kit. My new wheel will be 700 X 35. With Armidillos, 26 spokes, double walled rim, custom built. I forget the other specifications.

Today, even with my messed up wheel (it still runs okay), I took a box of firewood, 6 pots, and like 6 random different small to largish things to my gf's. Its so nice to just be able to load up and go. Its weird... cuz its such a cool feeling, when you realized you just hauled a bunch of stuff, with NO CAR!

I pretty much love my xtracycle. I even kissed it once. Kinda weird, as I've never kissed an inanimate object before.

I'm still waiting for me to realize that it was all just hype, cuz at this point, the hype seems all justified. Today I even gave a flyer to someone who had a Bob type trailer, and he was all interested in my X. I get people looking at it when I'm parked at the university, which is pretty cool. I've never gotten a negative response ONCE.

In fact, one time I was even blocking this one residential road, and these 2 roughish looking guys drove by, and he yelled out, "What is that, a roadblock?" I turned around, expecting an angry face, or someone who was putting me down.

Instead, the guy was smiling... I guess he was making a joke, he seemed to respect the X.

I think everyone should have one of these. Once you do, its hard not to use it...
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EllenDSD -

I would go with an internal hub in an instant. I set up a 26" mtb for my xtracycle, but 700c is fine, as well. I think it's all about what you want to spend!
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I think everyone should have one of these. Once you do, its hard not to use it...
I agree! My family and I are not car free but getting more car-lite all the time. I think the Xtracycle will be just the ticket for those big grocery runs that I'm still using the car for.
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