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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Requiring a DRIVER'S LICENSE to operate any motor vehicle would be a big plus, face it what we have in this country is little more than a form of ID. People take a short course in driving, then go and take a fairly simple written test and bingo they are a driver. IIRC in Europe the standard is much higher, you have to prove you understand the way a car operates, as well as prove you can actually operate one correctly. To include basic knowledge of the way it operates and why, and be able to change a tire, etc. I also think retesting should be required periodically, especially if you have multiple moving violations. The last driving test I took was over 30 years ago, last written test 24 years ago....
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Originally Posted by mwrobe1
The only problem with the price of gas going up is....
eventually the price of pie will go up too.
We can't have that.
eventually the price of pie will go up too.
We can't have that.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have long contended that the price of gas needed to be adjusted upward by taxing the crap out of it. Then use the taxes to redevelop mass transit and subsidize rail. And while they are at it, raise the cost and standards for getting a drivers license, might take some of the brain dead idiots off the roads. Also tax vehicles more reasonably on their use patterns. Heavy trucks destroy the roadways but only pay a small fraction of the costs.
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Originally Posted by WishYouWasMe
but that would ruin the point of a representative democracy. Since in theory congressman should represent their districts and almost EVERY district including the urban ones wouldn't support that the congressmen would be ensuring their political death. Plus governors/president would have to not veto the bill...
As an example of extreme short sightedness...the state capitol of NC; Raleigh has been pissing around with the light rail concept for about 7 years, this year they dissolved the commission, in part on the basis of a report from a foundation that is pro automobile, the "study" "identified" 8 key components that need to be worked on to ease congestion in the Triangle area...and not one of them involved mass transit. Yippee just what we need an additional 15,000 motorists on the already clogged roadways in the next 5-7 years, with more hundreds of millions spent on expanding roadways, increased fuel costs are the only way we are going to get people's attention and get them out of the cars and into alternative transport. It is going to happen on of two ways, by raising taxes on fuel, or waiting for the world economy to drive them up. With the taxes at least you will have something to show for it. Also FWIW NC already has the highest fuel taxes in the region and people are whining and want to repeal it....
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
And this is a problem?
People buy entirely too much made in China disposable plastic crap anyway, all it does it create a figment of wealth and clog the landfills. I have some furniture that belonged to my great grandparents...want to guess how much he paid for his "kitchen" table? It is a solid walnut drop leaf that was made in the Amana Colonies back in the 1800's...it cost him almost a month's wages and he was a skilled worker in a iron shop. Imagine someone paying that much for a simple table today. People today always complain about how much "stuff" costs and will go to great lengths to get the cheapest price they can on anything and everything, hence the Walmart Mentality, the loss of American Manufacturing jobs and the disposable, wasteful society we live in.
One thing that cheap energy has brought this country (and others) is a preponderance of stuff, too much stuff, so much stuff people have to rent storage lockers to keep the stuff in. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't more stuff!
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People buy entirely too much made in China disposable plastic crap anyway, all it does it create a figment of wealth and clog the landfills. I have some furniture that belonged to my great grandparents...want to guess how much he paid for his "kitchen" table? It is a solid walnut drop leaf that was made in the Amana Colonies back in the 1800's...it cost him almost a month's wages and he was a skilled worker in a iron shop. Imagine someone paying that much for a simple table today. People today always complain about how much "stuff" costs and will go to great lengths to get the cheapest price they can on anything and everything, hence the Walmart Mentality, the loss of American Manufacturing jobs and the disposable, wasteful society we live in.
One thing that cheap energy has brought this country (and others) is a preponderance of stuff, too much stuff, so much stuff people have to rent storage lockers to keep the stuff in. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't more stuff!
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Well gosh! They need to buy all that stuff, don't they? What else do you fill a three story McMansion with, when you only really use 4 of the rooms?
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
We could save amazing amounts of fuel if they would shift non critical freight to rail.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
I have long contended that the price of gas needed to be adjusted upward by taxing the crap out of it. Aaron
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Well...there is some truth to that statement. In England, isn't the current price per gallon of gas (I did the conversion) somewhere around $5 to $6? And isn't %70-%75 percent of that price going towards taxes? I believe in the U.S. roughly %20-%25 percent of the price goes towards taxes.
England, as well as most of europe? also have graduated taxes (which I believe work much like a luxury tax) on the sales of a motor vehicles that have an engine displacement of over 2000cc's? (Thats why you see those really small cars in european countries that you'll never find stateside. It was humourous to me to know that the Ford Escort was actually considered a chi-chi car in Europe.)
I'd really like to see what would happen to gas consumption in the United States if a >2000cc vehicle tax was imposed here.
England, as well as most of europe? also have graduated taxes (which I believe work much like a luxury tax) on the sales of a motor vehicles that have an engine displacement of over 2000cc's? (Thats why you see those really small cars in european countries that you'll never find stateside. It was humourous to me to know that the Ford Escort was actually considered a chi-chi car in Europe.)
I'd really like to see what would happen to gas consumption in the United States if a >2000cc vehicle tax was imposed here.
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Originally Posted by PDay
I live in middle of nowhere Mississippi, the only rail we have is an abandoned depot from the civil war. Many places in this country need trucks to get goods.
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Originally Posted by mwrobe1
Well...there is some truth to that statement. In England, isn't the current price per gallon of gas (I did the conversion) somewhere around $5 to $6? And isn't %70-%75 percent of that price going towards taxes? I believe in the U.S. roughly %20-%25 percent of the price goes towards taxes.
England, as well as most of europe? also have graduated taxes (which I believe work much like a luxury tax) on the sales of a motor vehicles that have an engine displacement of over 2000cc's? (Thats why you see those really small cars in european countries that you'll never find stateside. It was humourous to me to know that the Ford Escort was actually considered a chi-chi car in Europe.)
I'd really like to see what would happen to gas consumption in the United States if a >2000cc vehicle tax was imposed here.
England, as well as most of europe? also have graduated taxes (which I believe work much like a luxury tax) on the sales of a motor vehicles that have an engine displacement of over 2000cc's? (Thats why you see those really small cars in european countries that you'll never find stateside. It was humourous to me to know that the Ford Escort was actually considered a chi-chi car in Europe.)
I'd really like to see what would happen to gas consumption in the United States if a >2000cc vehicle tax was imposed here.
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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Rail can be reactivated and should be!
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Originally Posted by Roody
True. Most of the old road beds are still there. many of them are bike trails now of course. It wouldn't be too hard to kick the bikes off and rebuild the rails. We probably wouldn't mind riding on the roads if there were a lot fewer trucks to contend with!
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The Rails to Trails in my town is actually in the Federal Landbank of railroad right of ways for future light rail use. However given our location I don't foresee that happening in the near future. So it runs from the center of our little town to the center of a smaller town. It is quicker to ride up the road, but the trail is great for kids and walking.
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Originally Posted by Cadd
I doubt higher gas prices = more cyclists. If anything, there'll be more motorcycles & scooters around.
Of course, who says that gas prices would stay where 168MPG would be reasonable, in the 1960's they thought $1/Gallon would never come, in fact they were so sure, that gas pumps only went up to a price of 99.9 cents, yesterday I saw $1.085 per Litre (thats $4.123/US Gallon) Higher fuel prices also hurt the economy, in that people will need to decide, can I eat out, maybe go to a movie, or buy gas for the car. Not everyone can go out and buy a smaller car, however scooters are relatively cheap, and even the moped might see a return to fame....
You might also see more, crossover riders, people who bicycle shorter distances and motorcycle longer ones.
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^^ Sheepishly, I have to admit I've seen more cyclist on my morning route. (I am an uber skeptic) It used to be me and two other guys going down the major road of town. Now it's me and about 8 people. I'm happy about that.
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But even a 1,000cc motor will save more gas than your average subcompact car. Only problem is that it doesn't carry as many passengers as a tiny car like the Honda Fit.
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Originally Posted by Cadd
But even a 1,000cc motor will save more gas than your average subcompact car. Only problem is that it doesn't carry as many passengers as a tiny car like the Honda Fit.
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca
Scooters will become more popular, engines there tend to go from 50cc to 250cc, and gas mileage can be as good as 168MPG.
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca
I had a Suzuki Forsa at one point, it's a small car which was equipped with a 3 cylinder 1000cc engine, this was around 1987, there have been others makes and models to use this engine size. The Citroen 2CV was outfitted with several engines over its long lifespan ranging from 375cc to 602cc. The real issue is, that while such cars are popular everywhere else, in the US, everyone has a need to drive a 5000lb SUV with a 7L engine in it. Look at the cars, I purchased over the years, 1984 Hyundai Pony (1400cc), 1989 Pontiac Firefly (rebadged Suzuki Forsa - 1000cc), 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier (2200cc), 2002 Kia Sephia (1600cc). Right now I drive my late father-in-laws Chrysler Intrepid, which is going to need to retire soon, because the gas mileage on this old hunk of junk really sucks. Debating about it's replacement, probably an older, but small car..... Car free isn't practical for my other half at the moment.....
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Originally Posted by Bowcyclist
yeah i had a geo metro with 1000cc and 3 cylinders. good mileage, put 146,000 km on in 18 months.
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