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    gas should go up

    it should be at leat 7 dollars a gallon. that would get more people out of the car and onto the saddle. bike saddle that is. lazy americans

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    The price of trolls should go up too?
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    I have long contended that the price of gas needed to be adjusted upward by taxing the crap out of it. Then use the taxes to redevelop mass transit and subsidize rail. And while they are at it, raise the cost and standards for getting a drivers license, might take some of the brain dead idiots off the roads. Also tax vehicles more reasonably on their use patterns. Heavy trucks destroy the roadways but only pay a small fraction of the costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc
    And while they are at it, raise the cost and standards for getting a drivers license, might take some of the brain dead idiots off the roads.
    - and illegals off the streets, too!

    (but then it would cost $200 to get your grass cut, eh?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbike27
    it should be at leat 7 dollars a gallon. that would get more people out of the car and onto the saddle. bike saddle that is. lazy americans

    While I don't argue with the premise that people will change their driving habits when driving is not economical, I would question where you came up with the $7/gallon figure?
    I personnally changed my driving habits drastically when gas hit $2/gallon. Now, I have to admit that I am a rather stingy SOB.

    Also, as gas prices go up, so will the cost of goods in stores. Transportation is a major portion of the costs that must be recovered for companies to earn a profit. Without that profit, companies aren't going to stay in business. So you might end up with much more expensive items and fewer places to obtain the items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by linux_author
    - and illegals off the streets, too!

    (but then it would cost $200 to get your grass cut, eh?)

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    Nope...my goats do it for free I have never paid anyone to cut my grass or clean my house, I can do it just fine myself thankyou

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere
    ~snip~

    Also, as gas prices go up, so will the cost of goods in stores. Transportation is a major portion of the costs that must be recovered for companies to earn a profit. Without that profit, companies aren't going to stay in business. So you might end up with much more expensive items and fewer places to obtain the items.
    And this is a problem?
    People buy entirely too much made in China disposable plastic crap anyway, all it does it create a figment of wealth and clog the landfills. I have some furniture that belonged to my great grandparents...want to guess how much he paid for his "kitchen" table? It is a solid walnut drop leaf that was made in the Amana Colonies back in the 1800's...it cost him almost a month's wages and he was a skilled worker in a iron shop. Imagine someone paying that much for a simple table today. People today always complain about how much "stuff" costs and will go to great lengths to get the cheapest price they can on anything and everything, hence the Walmart Mentality, the loss of American Manufacturing jobs and the disposable, wasteful society we live in.
    One thing that cheap energy has brought this country (and others) is a preponderance of stuff, too much stuff, so much stuff people have to rent storage lockers to keep the stuff in. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't more stuff!

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    Why not tax everything to death? A double cheeseburger should cost 50$, not only will this help with weight loss but then fast food workers would be RICH! TV's should cost 100,000$ and underware should be 400$ a set. Toilet paper should just be outlawed. And why do we need pure, clean water to take a dump in? Each flush should be 50$.
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    While were wishing—
    We should elect a benevolent dictator who could bring about the following changes-

    People would be encouraged to bike, telecommute, and live in sustainable areas buy getting tax incentives. If you want to live far away from the city, there will be no free road entitlement. If you want to drive a car, the price of gas will reflect the cost of war to secure it.

    No car should have a top speed of more than the speed limit.

    All new developments will be required to include a parallel, slow speed road.

    Every citizen will be given the right to buy 10 gallons of gas a week, which the car free could sell at a premium to the car users.

    Anyone who violates these rules should be cut up and used to feed the baby polar bears.

    Anyone who threatens the life of the benevolent dictator to revert to old ways would also be used as polar bear food.

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    http://www.cera.com/aspx/cda/public1....aspx?CID=8388

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    Gasoline in U.S. May Fall to $2.50 on Slow Hurricane Season

    September 1, 2006

    Gasoline prices across the U.S. are likely to fall this month as demand from motorists slows and the threat of supply disruptions from hurricanes diminishes.

    U.S. gasoline prices, now averaging about $2.80 a gallon, may drop 15 to 20 cents in September, said Tom Knight, director of trading at Truman Arnold Cos., a Texarkana, Texas, fuel wholesaler. Scott Hartman, chief executive officer of CHR Corp., which sells about 100 million gallons a year in Pennsylvania, said $2.50 to $2.60 is possible by December.

    Pump prices have declined 7 percent since early August and futures contracts indicate further reductions as the end of summer usually means fewer motorists filling their tanks. U.S. gasoline inventories are 2.6 percent above the five-year average, and forecasts last month said the chances a hurricane will interrupt refining in the Gulf of Mexico are lessening…

    Oil rose 23 cents to $70.26 a barrel yesterday after Iran, the world's fourth-biggest oil producer, defied a United Nations deadline for ending uranium enrichment. Iran may face economic sanctions if it continues with its nuclear program.

    ``A lot depends on what happens in the crude market,'' said Aaron Brady, associate director of global oil research at Cambridge Energy Research Associates in Cambridge, Massachusetts. ``If things heat up with Iran and crude prices start to rise again, that would put a halt to the fall in gasoline prices.''
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbike27
    it should be at leat 7 dollars a gallon. that would get more people out of the car and onto the saddle. bike saddle that is. lazy americans
    Uh, no it wouldn't. Most people were used to driving $15,000 cars that got about 30 mpg, for about $1.25/gallon yet what became super popular? $50,000 SUVs that people went into huge debt for, that get 10 mpg at $2.50 plus per gallon. Do the math and that's a bigger increase than $7/gallon.

    Price doesn't stop use as much as you'd think with ANY product. Two pairs of shoes could be made for the same $2 in labor, $.50 in materials. One might cost $30 and no one buys it, while the other costs $150 and everyone's buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere
    Also, as gas prices go up, so will the cost of goods in stores. Transportation is a major portion of the costs that must be recovered for companies to earn a profit. Without that profit, companies aren't going to stay in business. So you might end up with much more expensive items and fewer places to obtain the items.
    That's why I'm rooting for rationing. Shipping, especially transportation of "necessities", tends to get the priority at times like this. I don't care if gasoline is $.01 a truckload, just so long as I get to ha, ha at the mile long line of cars at the gas station.
    High fuel costs in the US only seem to work backwards. When it's cheap, gas milage is just a statistical or practical issue. Crank up the price, though, and suddenly rotten gas milage is a display of affluence. All the wacky conservatives can't wait to get a liberal truck, and all the wacky liberals can't wait to react with conservative hybrids. That's all that happens when the price of gas goes up, everyone runs out to buy more cars. I say take the gas away and watch 'em panic. I'll bring the popcorn!

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    Gas is now $3.20 a gallon here in my area, and I'm suddenly no longer the Maytag man of bicycling. Man, its a forest of lime green jackets out there now, it would probably be pandemonium if it went to $7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn
    Gas is now $3.20 a gallon here in my area, and I'm suddenly no longer the Maytag man of bicycling. Man, its a forest of lime green jackets out there now, it would probably be pandemonium if it went to $7.
    The OPEC nations probably don't want it to go to $7. Last time there was a big jump in price, demand fell off sharply, folks started driving much smaller cars and less often. Then the world oil price plummeted and stayed there for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc
    And this is a problem?
    People buy entirely too much made in China disposable plastic crap anyway, all it does it create a figment of wealth and clog the landfills. I have some furniture that belonged to my great grandparents...want to guess how much he paid for his "kitchen" table? It is a solid walnut drop leaf that was made in the Amana Colonies back in the 1800's...it cost him almost a month's wages and he was a skilled worker in a iron shop. Imagine someone paying that much for a simple table today. People today always complain about how much "stuff" costs and will go to great lengths to get the cheapest price they can on anything and everything, hence the Walmart Mentality, the loss of American Manufacturing jobs and the disposable, wasteful society we live in.
    One thing that cheap energy has brought this country (and others) is a preponderance of stuff, too much stuff, so much stuff people have to rent storage lockers to keep the stuff in. I don't know what the answer is, but it isn't more stuff!

    Aaron

    While I completely agree that most people purchase way to much cheap, gaudy, crappy stuff, I do not wish to see the prices of necessities go up. It is already very difficult for some people in our society to make ends meet. I would hate to see the price of bread, sugar, milk, and eggs double or triple due to increased transportation costs.
    I guess the answer to that would be higher production levels closer to the consumer. That would take time to build, and in the mean time, a part of society would suffer.

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    If people only bought the basics I seriously doubt they would go hungry. In addition the truly needy do have at least some recourse via foodstamps and other assistance programs. I have a real problem seeing people standing in line at the local food store/wallymart with $3-400 worth of "groceries" that they are paying for with government assistance, then wheel the stuff to the parking lot and get into a $35,000 SUV. and in at least one case when the person couldn't get the electronic card to work, she hauls out a big roll of bills and pays cash for the $200+ worth of groceries. If food production was brought back on a local level and farmer's paid realistic prices for their wholesale products I think it would be better for everybody. I am still trying to figure out why we need 42 different varieties of any single item in our grocery stores. I am not kidding take a look at the barbeque sauce selection for an example We always make our own from the basics. I would wager that 90% of what people buy in the stores are not staple goods but convenience foods. Nothing like paying $14 a pound for prepared chicken when you can buy the whole freakin' 3# chicken for $5. By only buying the basic staple goods with the occasional splurge and supplementing what we buy with our own gardens our average grocery bill for four adults is around $65 a week on average. We eat very well and don't eat out. But it does take time to prepare, but I think it is much healthier overall and we more control what goes into our food in terms of additives.


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    Severe taxes on gas at the pump would harm poor and middle class people more than the wealthy, so I don't support it. I think cars should be taxed based on their gas consumption. If a car gets less than 50 mpg, tax it at a rate of $500 or each mpg under 50. If it gets better than 50 mpg, give a tax rebate worth $500 for each mpg over 50.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    Severe taxes on gas at the pump would harm poor and middle class people more than the wealthy, so I don't support it. I think cars should be taxed based on their gas consumption. If a car gets less than 50 mpg, tax it at a rate of $500 or each mpg under 50. If it gets better than 50 mpg, give a tax rebate worth $500 for each mpg over 50.
    Taxing cars won't help much, it has been tried. And from what I can tell there is not a single car on the market that gets 50 mpg at this time and again you will be penalizing the poor and middle class because they can't "afford" to buy a newer car that gets decent mileage. I have been doing some deep research for a replacement/supplemental vehicle for our use. I would really like to get a pure electric but the availability of them is pretty scarce at the moment. The best average mileage vehicles on the market are all in the low to mid 40 mpg range.

    Short of luxury taxes (which I think have been tried) the wealthy seldom pay the same rate of taxes as the middle class and working poor, of which the ranks grow daily. They also made their money on the backs of the working poor (think Walmart) they should carry a heavier burden of taxes. I also think that the poor and middle class need to wake up and take charge of their lives and quit living their lives of illusion. My salary and my wife's salary place us well into the middle class. But we live without all of the "necessities" of middle class. No 3 bedroom home in the 'burbs, no BMW or Hummer, no swimming pool (but I do have a pond that I can share with the ducks if so inclined ) no country club membership, no keeping up with the Joneses, we seldom eat out and we save at least 30% of our income for future endeavors. We could both quit work tomorrow if we chose to and not be any worse off for it. We do have goals in mind and are working towards those at this time. I have lived the keeping up with the Joneses lifestyle and hated it (one of the reasons I have an ex-wife)

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    No. Rising gas prices will not break the back of the car culture in America unless the price reached truly apocalyptic heights. However, I would like to see the price rise and stay at a height sufficient to attract an abundance of venture capital for the development of some kinda serious effort at alternative fuel and/or vehicles. So far the cartels have been able to keep the price just low enough to frighten away the investors.

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    So....How many of you that want gas prices to go up work or have family that work on a farm/ranch? The gas prices are CRAP...... But don't worry... if gas prices keep going up so will everything else.... but hey you'll be happy right? I mean I want to pay more for my food, cloths and other supplies....... Oh please go up please......I can't stand saving a dollar or two........ There are lazy people..... I agree, but raising gas prices isn't going to make america more healthy...WTF?!?!?!

    Having family on the farm really opens a persons eyes to cost.......... Just sit back and give it a look....

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    Quote Originally Posted by funrover
    So....How many of you that want gas prices to go up work or have family that work on a farm/ranch? The gas prices are CRAP...... But don't worry... if gas prices keep going up so will everything else.... but hey you'll be happy right? I mean I want to pay more for my food, cloths and other supplies....... Oh please go up please......I can't stand saving a dollar or two........ There are lazy people..... I agree, but raising gas prices isn't going to make america more healthy...WTF?!?!?!

    Having family on the farm really opens a persons eyes to cost.......... Just sit back and give it a look....
    Funrover,
    See my previous post covering farming. We as a family got out of it a long time ago because we couldn't compete with the big factory farms and the ones hiring illegal immigrants. We are currently going back to small scale "truck gardens" but don't expect to make a living at it at this time. Fuel costs are small part of farming, fertilizers and chemicals (which are oil based btw) are a much larger cost. And currently fuel for agricultural used is not taxed or if taxed is taxed at a much lower rate than OTR fuel. The talk about raising taxes was on consumer use gasoline. Too many things in this country are artificially priced, caused by cheap off shore labor or some type of subsidy.

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    Gas jumped another 10 cents in 2 days, now $3.30 a gallon. Rising fuel prices are definite traffic calmer, I'm beginning to see a noticable visual reduction in cars on the road in my area, and the ones I do see, seems like they're driving a little slower as well.

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    Here's the straight dope direct from an industry insider who's sat in on refining & marketing planning meetings at an oil company you've heard of.

    "My personal belief is that even though there may be lulls in price, higher gasoline prices will be the norm rather than the exception in upcoming years...

    "My advice to all would be to plan for a future in which energy prices are much higher..."

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    Well, at least the spring cycling season is here and that's totally unaffected by gas prices. Gorgeous day in Austin, just got back from climbing some neighborhood hills.

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    We could save amazing amounts of fuel if they would shift non critical freight to rail and limit the big trucks to 55 mph....I have a hard time believing any item needs to be transported by truck at 80mph from California to NC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn
    Gas jumped another 10 cents in 2 days, now $3.30 a gallon. Rising fuel prices are definite traffic calmer, I'm beginning to see a noticable visual reduction in cars on the road in my area, and the ones I do see, seems like they're driving a little slower as well.
    Let us know what you see when you wake up.

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