Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 28
  1. #1
    Plays in Traffic 1ply's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Kitchener, Ontario
    Posts
    486
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Living with less car - becoming more popular?

    It looks that way - look what Kona has:



    it can be found here: http://www.konaworld.com/08_ute.htm
    2006 VFRfive less than 5000k for sale. 2011 MB FantomCross 105
    Originally Posted by Pig_Chaser: Obesity epidemic, Global warming. If only there were a common solution. B'ah that's crazy talk.

  2. #2
    Senior Member wahoonc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    On the road-USA
    My Bikes
    Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
    Posts
    16,112
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Nice concept...but why only one frame size? I need a bit more than a 17.5" frame...like 5" more I have one bike now with a 19" step thru frame with a 400mm seat post. Not the best situation, but for what I need it works for now.

    Aaron
    Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

    ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

    "Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
    RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
    _Nicodemus

    "Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred
    Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
    _krazygluon

  3. #3
    Senior Member acroy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Dallas Suburbpopolis
    Posts
    1,481
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Great to finally see an alternative to the xtra-cycle.
    this is a landmark bike: a major manufacturer catering to us car-lite nuts.
    I hope it is a huge success
    beer-bottle target

  4. #4
    bragi bragi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    seattle, WA
    My Bikes
    LHT
    Posts
    2,817
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Seen from where we sit, living with less car may seem to be getting a lot more popular, but let's consider this quote from an article I just read about the mortgage crisis: (italics added by me)

    The Pents grieve losing their three-acre property in the middle of horse country, with its swimming pool and fish pond.

    "It was my dad's house," said Connie, 39, an elementary schools receptionist. "It's quiet, it's open - we love it."

    Their troubles began in April 2006 when they refinanced the remaining $207,000 on a 30-year fixed loan to a two-year adjustable rate mortgage so they could pay down hefty obligations on their SUV and pickup truck.
    A mortgage broker informed them just before the closing that the remaining debt would be $3,500 more than expected, but they signed anyway.
    "We didn't have time to change the terms so we just signed them," Connie said.


    Of course, this family seems to be breathtakingly stupid in a variety of ways, but I'm left to wonder how many other people stumble into foreclosure without even for a second considering getting rid of one or more of their cars, or switching to smaller, less expensive vehicles. Living with less car may be more popular than it used to be, but it's still not a mass movement by any stretch of the imagination.

    That Kona's pretty sweet, btw.
    Last edited by bragi; 08-25-07 at 12:27 PM.
    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

  5. #5
    Senior Member jakbikesdc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    WesternSlopeCO
    Posts
    184
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by 1ply View Post
    It looks that way - look what Kona has:



    it can be found here: http://www.konaworld.com/08_ute.htm

    NICE!!! I love it. I gunna start saving up for that beast.

    *I guess all those years of worshiping the gods of Kona paid off!!*
    We shall never achieve harmony with land, any more than we shall achieve absolute justice or liberty for people. In these higher aspirations, the important thing is not to achieve but to strive. -Aldo Leopold

  6. #6
    Senior Citizen lyeinyoureye's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    no
    My Bikes
    yes
    Posts
    1,347
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    $800!?!? Do they think we're made of money?

  7. #7
    Senior Member Smallwheels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    I'm in East Helena Montana for now.
    Posts
    1,260
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Good Concept

    Why doesn't it have a rear brake? With it loaded with plenty of cargo a rear brake would be very useful, even on wet pavement. No rear brake is listed on their web site.

    It needs a rear fender too.
    Smallwheels

    Take my stuff, please. I have way too much. My current goal is to have all of my possessions fit onto a large bicycle trailer. Really.

  8. #8
    Dare to be weird!
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Austin TX
    My Bikes
    Hybridized 1970s Coppi road bike; Townie city cruiser
    Posts
    1,990
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bragi View Post
    Seen from where we sit, living with less car may seem to be getting a lot more popular, but let's consider this quote from an article I just read about the mortgage crisis...
    If you're following the mortgage story you might like to look in on the Broker Outpost forum. Broker Outpost is a sibling to Bike Forums, both being operated by the same company.

    Broker Outpost Forum

  9. #9
    Senior Member FXjohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    NE Indiana
    Posts
    12,592
    Mentioned
    18 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by 1ply View Post
    It looks that way - look what Kona has:



    it can be found here: http://www.konaworld.com/08_ute.htm
    That is a great bike . How much again?

  10. #10
    Senior Member Newspaperguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    British Columbia, Canada
    Posts
    2,206
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Wow. That one's built for hauling. There's also the Surley Big Dummy which seems to be a similar concept.
    Life is good.

  11. #11
    Super Moderator Allen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Atomic batteries to power; turbines to speed
    My Bikes
    Salsa La Raza, Panasonic Electric, Bria, Bamboo touring, Bamboo cargo
    Posts
    4,690
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by FXjohn View Post
    That is a great bike . How much again?
    About eight bills.

  12. #12
    Daily Rider Robert C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Salt Lake, UT
    My Bikes
    This list got too long: several ‘bents, an urban utility bike, and a dahon D7 that my daughter has absconded with.
    Posts
    921
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    My wife, who I am having a nearly impossible time getting on bikes, saw this bike and was actually enthused. To her this was a bike that could actually be usefully. I may end up with one when I return to the states.

  13. #13
    bragi bragi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    seattle, WA
    My Bikes
    LHT
    Posts
    2,817
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Platy View Post
    If you're following the mortgage story you might like to look in on the Broker Outpost forum. Broker Outpost is a sibling to Bike Forums, both being operated by the same company.

    Broker Outpost Forum
    I took a look, and didn't get it. How anyone can carry on passionate discussions about real estate, and even understand them, is beyond me, I guess. I must be financially ********. It's probably just as well that I didn't replace my fixed-rate mortgage with an ARM so I could make up payments on the Burley Flatbed....
    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

  14. #14
    Dare to be weird!
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Austin TX
    My Bikes
    Hybridized 1970s Coppi road bike; Townie city cruiser
    Posts
    1,990
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bragi View Post
    I took a look, and didn't get it. How anyone can carry on passionate discussions about real estate, and even understand them, is beyond me, I guess. I must be financially ********. It's probably just as well that I didn't replace my fixed-rate mortgage with an ARM so I could make up payments on the Burley Flatbed....
    I'm no real estate wizard either. I just try to see the big picture. Resource limits ensure that consumer culture can't expand indefinitely. Something will come along to stop it. The free market has apparently chosen the housing bubble and mortgage credit constraint as its means for reining in the AWOL (American Way of Life).

    In other words, it wasn't a gas crisis, war, epidemics, or economic collapse. It had to be something, though.

    It may still be a while before the average American starts taking cycling seriously as an alternative to cars. But I think it's coming.

  15. #15
    Humvee of bikes =Worksman Nightshade's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    5,253
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert C View Post
    My wife, who I am having a nearly impossible time getting on bikes, saw this bike and was actually enthused. To her this was a bike that could actually be usefully. I may end up with one when I return to the states.
    This is a pure "utility" bike which might put Surly ahead of the game with folk's like you wife......
    and there are alot of folk's like your wife that just want a "bike that works for a living" like this Surly.
    My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
    I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.

    Originally Posted by krazygluon
    Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    IL-USA
    Posts
    1,607
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bragi View Post
    Seen from where we sit, living with less car may seem to be getting a lot more popular, but let's consider this quote from an article I just read about the mortgage crisis: (italics added by me) ....
    The mortgage crisis was caused by lots of people signing their names for loans that they simply could not pay for over the long run.
    That's all it is, and there's no real excuse.
    You want to laugh, google search "Dr Housing Bubble's Real Homes of Genius".

    -------

    The Kona.....

    ...is nice, in a way. Bicycles are a lot more useful when you can easily carry things on them besides yourself. The one frame size stinks however, and $800 is a lot of money. And it appears they are still using a left-side leaner kickstand, instead of a proper rear-mounted dual kickstand (which makes loading bikes with panniers MUCH easier).
    ~
    Last edited by Doug5150; 08-26-07 at 04:54 PM.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    6,128
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug5150 View Post
    The mortgage crisis was caused by lots of people signing their names for loans that they simply could not pay for over the long run.
    That's all it is, and there's no real excuse.
    You want to laugh, google search "Dr Housing Bubble's Real Homes of Genius".

    ~
    What gets me is they lost her father's home for overpriced cars. A sad situation indeed.

  18. #18
    Mister Goody Two Shoes KnhoJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    418
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post
    Why doesn't it have a rear brake? With it loaded with plenty of cargo a rear brake would be very useful, even on wet pavement. No rear brake is listed on their web site.

    It needs a rear fender too.
    The photo shows three cables headed back thataway... Maybe the brake got airbrushed out along with the background?

    Looks kinda short in the wheelbase department, though...

    Alright, according to completely unscientific measurements referenced against the wheels and seat tube, that looks like a 46-49 inch wheelbase or so. IOW, a little bmx frame with a super-stretched rear triangle and 26 inch wheels. Just barely longer than my ancient unstretched Schwinn Sierra, and that bike's too small for me. Oh well, I could be wrong though. I do like the integrated rack.

    It gets better: According to an update on Bikehugger, they won't be making it compatible with xtracycle stuff. No longbike style accessories until Kona gets around to making their own proprietary goodies. So for now, it's an $800 longbike that's sized for kids, with a giant rear rack you'll have to rig up with something homemade to use. But on the bright side, you'll have the only longbike in town that fits on the bus racks.

  19. #19
    Daily Rider Robert C's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Salt Lake, UT
    My Bikes
    This list got too long: several ‘bents, an urban utility bike, and a dahon D7 that my daughter has absconded with.
    Posts
    921
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    From the Bike hugger story you referenced. It seems that the bike will use 700c wheels. No matter what, the frame looks bigger than a BMX frame. However, I will wait until I start seeing pictures of it, the production model, and with something else in the picture.

    In other pictures I have seen, the bike clearly had a brake on the seatstay.
    Quote Originally Posted by bike Hugger website
    • 700c wheels & tires
    • longer head tube for better handlebar position
    • lower top tube to increase standover/clearance
    • change of specification on stem, grips and saddle (aesthetics)
    • rear plastic deck on the rear is machined from 100% post consumer recycled material
    • Ships standard with two specifically designed, grocery-style pannier bags that include a raincover. Four bags capacity with with additional bags and accessories offered.
    • MSRP is $799, explaining some of the spec decisions (rear V-brake, no internal hub, etc.).
    • Xtracycle compatibility — ” … the design concept was to make a complete bike that is economical, comfortable, light & offers a cargo area/options. Although we considered making the bike compatible with Xtracycle bags, this compromised the other design objectives. Xtracycle is a wonderful concept, but to accommodate their accessories, we would have added to the weight, complexity and expense of the model. We are definitely considering a variety of accessories & bags that will become available for the bike.”
    • Wheels — Kona tested this bike with both 26” and 700c wheels and 700cc was preferred
    • Foot Rests — Kona is considering and will keep us posted
    Here, this is from the Kona website.

    Frame Size: 17.5"
    Head Angle: 71 degrees
    Seat Angle 74 degrees
    Top Tube 23"
    Chain Stay 24.6"
    Head Tube 4.3"
    BB Height 12"
    Standover 29.3"


    Please understand that I am interested in this hike primarily because this one of the first bikes that I have shown a picture of to my wife that resulted in a highly positive reaction. There as no where that reaction from the extra-cycle kit.

    As far as size goes, I am concerned that it may be too big.
    Last edited by Robert C; 08-28-07 at 12:10 AM.

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    IL-USA
    Posts
    1,607
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
    What gets me is they lost her father's home for overpriced cars. A sad situation indeed.
    Yes,,,, -but the car bit is really a minor detail.

    Lots of people have overextended themselves. Losing your home over a luxury car is a silly thing, but it's just one silly thing, and there's a whole lot of them.

    Trying to tack the subprime mess to "car ownership" is simply false. We're going to get a lot more of these sob-stories over the next 12 months, and most of them will have nothing to do with cars. The great majority of them will have something to do with someone taking out more loan than they could pay off with their incomes. (-their actual incomes, not the one they stated on the application-)
    ~

  21. #21
    put our Heads Together cerewa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    southeast pennsylvania
    My Bikes
    a mountain bike with a cargo box on the back and aero bars on the front. an old well-worn dahon folding bike
    Posts
    3,149
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug5150
    The great majority of them will have something to do with someone taking out more loan than they could pay off with their incomes. (-their actual incomes, not the one they stated on the application-)
    It certainly does seem that people who default on a home loan are likely to have bought a home that was too large/high-priced for them. Excessively large homes are just like cars in that they usually have a high initial cost, they consume lots of petroleum energy ($$) to be usable, and you pay a lot to repair them too. Of course, even a small apartment requires huge amounts of energy to be kept within the 65-85 degree temperature range at all times.
    Some awesome folks who are working to give Haitians the ability to manage their safety and their lives:
    Haiti Partners

  22. #22
    Senior Member cosmo starr's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Dallas
    Posts
    498
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    id go with a "big dummy" i think id like the freeloaders better

  23. #23
    littlecircles bmike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Vermont
    Posts
    3,327
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by cerewa View Post
    It certainly does seem that people who default on a home loan are likely to have bought a home that was too large/high-priced for them. Excessively large homes are just like cars in that they usually have a high initial cost, they consume lots of petroleum energy ($$) to be usable, and you pay a lot to repair them too. Of course, even a small apartment requires huge amounts of energy to be kept within the 65-85 degree temperature range at all times.
    yes...
    and from my experience in another line of work i just kept seeing houses getting pricier and pricier - and the value wasn't really there. in 5 years we've seen an explosion of housing costs - in both new and old stock - so much so that average folks like me and my wife had to work really hard to find something reasonable.

    when easy credit fuels a market people who make sensible choices can get shut out because of the frenzy brought on by easy money and the people seeking profits from it. i really wish we had waited a year - there are some really nice places (small, functional, well built, attractive and closer to downtown) that are starting to come back to earth in price. instead we are renovating a POS crafted townhouse (and making it far better than it ever was) that we paid too much for in a really tight market. we didn't have much choice and made the best decision we could...

  24. #24
    Recumbent Evangelist
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Kitchener, Ontario
    My Bikes
    Rebel Cycles Trike, Trek 7500FX
    Posts
    2,991
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Sweet bike! Needs an extra wheel though.
    www.rebel-cycles.com

    The official Canadian dealer of TW-Bents recumbent bicycles!

  25. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    San Francisco!
    My Bikes
    2010 Surly LHT (main rider and do-everything bike), 2011 Bike Friday NWT (back-up bike and multi-modal)
    Posts
    903
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hmm, one frame size only? I guess I'll stick to just slapping an Xtracycle over a bike sized for me instead, then.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •