I've heard that that's not true. Just because I have a budget, have the car paid off, use as little gas as possible, last replaced the vehicle when it was over ten years old and ONLY because my husband insisted, the pickup was paid off ten years ago, and will be kept until I die (hopefully many years from now)...and I hate paying insurance because there are far better things to do with that money.
Last edited by East Hill; 09-06-07 at 07:27 AM.
TRY EMPATHY & HAVE LOVE IN YOUR HEART, PERHAPS I'LL SEE YOU ON THE ROAD...
Just kidding! I just wanted to get that out of the way for anyone thinking that.
It is a really good article and you can apply much of that same logic to the housing markets of the last few years, not this year perhaps.
Hm the first few points there
*Viewing cars as a need rather than a want
*Treating cars as a status symbol
*Failing to consider the overall costs
*Assuming they can afford a payment simply because a lender approved it
At least your house isn't worthless after a few years though. I know far too many people who with two months of their car payments/insurance I could buy my bike and all my gear over again. Then when I mention how much my pedals cost they say they would rather walk Thanksfully I know a few, and many people who would visit this forum may fit this too, that can actually afford the car they have if they have one at all.
If you have a TV, have cable and need to burn half an hour or so watch king of cars sometime you'll see those 4 points in action in almost every deal.
And hey this should point to LCF "Rethink the whole thing. Isn't there something else on which you'd rather spend $8,000 a year? With that as your motivator, you may be able to find a way to live without a car, or with one less car if yours is a multiple-vehicle family, or to keep the car you have going for a little longer. Maybe not, but it's worth thinking about the options before you commit yourself to another payment."
Parts of that article read like rants on Living Car Free.
"Isn't there something else on which you'd rather spend $8,000 a year?"
"...you may be able to find a way to live without a car, or with one less car if yours is a multiple-vehicle family,..."
"Viewing cars as a need rather than a want. Transportation is, indeed, a real need. We have to get to the grocery store and to work. But many of us have plenty of options, from our own feet to public transportation to car pools to shared car arrangements."
"You can't watch television for long without being bombarded by car commercials, and many of us have absorbed the idea that we are what we drive. It's complete BS, of course, but some people have been so brainwashed that they literally drive themselves into bankruptcy."
Wow, the average person in my income bracket spends TRIPLE what I do on motor vehicles. Although, in the past few months, I've spent less on the paper weight in my driveway than I have on my bike.
Don't waste your breath to save your face when you have done your best.
I just wanna know where all these practicle people are that they are complaining about that only spend 8k on a car every year
'round here only people near poverty spend that little
That must be for people who buy or lease new cars every few years.
If you don't consider the fact I paid my insurance all at once, my 2000 Civic costs me about $40 in gas a month. But the higher rent I pay that allows me to live closer to work and only drive once a week might tack on an extra 2 or 300 to that.
But I'd still rater have that 2 or 300 go to rent than be dependent on my car, and if need be, go entirely without a car, until I go back to get my masters, that is.
hey whaddaya know, cars are expensive
it's the American way. Quickly becoming the Global way.
It pays for a lot of advertising. I bet if suddenly all the car advertising money was pulled, the media industry would collapse.
I bet if suddenly every driver started obeying the traffic rules and cops could write no tickets, most local governments would collapse.
I bet if for one week, every car was parked and untouched, the entire world economy would shake.
oh, this is the real reason why I'm broke:
I keep on choosing the one in the right hand over the one in the left hand...
In the words of Einstein
"And now I think I'll take a bath"
My old 1994 Saturn SW - paid 1500.00 for it used a few years ago, so no payments. Drive just a few times a week - 20.00 per week in gas. 40.00 monthly insurance. 1 repair all of last year = app. 2000.00 cost last year. And to think I could have put that money toward a bike .
Every car we've ever bought has been used and paid for in full before leaving the lot. It keeps things simple.
I came here to post this same article, but was beaten to it. My question was to ask why has the bicycle transport crowd failed so miserably? This article says a car isn't a need, it is a want, and then says "many of us have plenty of options, from our own feet..." Do these articles ever mention the lowly bicyle? Isn't the gist of this article "you poor thing, maybe you spend too much on a car, but the dealership is after your money, and car ads are everywhere; what are you going to do, walk?" They give plenty of decent options to lower car costs but it still bugs me that transportation options in this country seem to be one acceptable solution and several unhappy ones (to most americans)
1. car (under warranty, payment)
2. car (beater, unreliable, replace with payment asap!)
3. The worthless bus
4. don't like it, then walk!
And down at the bottom of the list...
5. bicyles are for DUI convictions and poor people
From the article:
<<<<"Average transportation spending grew more than 12% between 1999 and 2005, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, at a time when median income growth was basically flat. Even when adjusted for inflation, we're spending more: 8.3% more in 2005 than in 1995, with people in the lowest and highest income brackets accelerating their spending the most. <<<<<<<
It's incredible how expensive cars are costing today. I see those same commercials on TV boasting a vehicle costing over 40K -50K! Who's buying these cars! Seriously. It would take me 25 years of hard savings to come up with 50 thousand dollars.
I guss those commercials really don't expect anyone to have that kind of money so you are expected to take out a costly lease for 7 years, return the car back after 5 years and get a new lease with even higher monthly payments! From what I read, this is quite common. Now you know the motorist is broke!
A key element of the $50,000 car is to justify the $25-30,000 car. Maybe you can't afford an Escalade, but the Tahoe is half the price and almost as good. Same for misgivings about gas consumption and emissions: prospective buyers can say "Well it gets better mileage than the Hummer, so I'm not that bad."
Or "I didn't get the biggest SUV, so when people talk about jerks in SUV's they are talking about someone else."
From the article:
What we spend on transportation Income range 2005 spending
Less than $19,179 $2,742
$19,179 to $35,999 $5,330
$36,000 to $57,659-------$7,437
$57,660 to $91,704------- $10,504
More than $91, 704------- $15,691
I thought my transportation costs were expensive at about $1,600.00 per year. This includes both for work and play. Folks in my income bracket are spending 10K on transportation! I find that hard to believe.
Those stats are really a sad commentary in this country. If I had to spend 10K in transportation, there's no question, I would be dead broke! I don't have 10K a year in mad money and it's just unreal that people in my income bracket are spending that kind of money. Incredible.
The good news, you're starting to see a trend for every major bicycle manufacturer is building a "Dutch" bike of some sort. However, none of these bikes receive any kind of marketing other than a page in Bicycling. In other words, the marketing is still focused on the same crowd hoping those with Lance Amstrong Specials will go out and become transportation cyclists. They have no desire to capture or discover new markets.
America's love affair is costing more & more with every passing year.
"What I am at this moment is the result of past constructive action! But all future generations depend on what I do with it at this moment! - Dr. Bronner
Personally, I grudgingly bought a new car that stickered at nearly $16k, and handed over a check for the full amount. I hate the idea of making payments on a depreciating asset. Oddly enough, I see them used for only $1k less than I paid 18 months ago. Go figure.
I could probably swing $5330 a year, but man it would be tight probably and I wouldn't be able to afford any extras in life. I probably have to take a hit in how much I put towards retirment/savings, being car free I am thinking about increasing it from 10% to 15-20%.
I don't see this as a car problem; I see it as a problem with a culture of instant gratification, combined with easy credit. This problem shows itself in car purchases, but it does not begin or end there. It is present every time an advertiser extols us to buy now and pay later, or every time a sales business offers easy payment plans or guaranteed credit approval. In the past, this was the domain of furniture and appliance dealers.
Too many people don't think about the amount they must spend to buy a new vehicle. For an average working person, the ticket price will work out to six months to one year's take-home pay. (This depends on the vehicle and the wage.) That's just the price of the vehicle. It doesn't include any of the other costs such as insurance, fuel, maintenance or repairs not covered by warranty. If customers actually considered the costs of new car ownership, I think a lot more would look for used vehicles or car-light and car-free options.
Life is good.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Today, I had to ride around quite a bit to run errands, and, just to entertain myself, I counted the number of other cyclists I encountered on the way. I stopped counting at 58. (At a couple of intersections, bicyclists outnumbered cars.)
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.