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Old 09-12-07, 09:27 AM   #1
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Moving to the car-free dream city, Davis, CA

So some of you may remember me. The crazy guy who went off about our roads and our car culture in America.

Although Venice Italy might still work out, I think I might just move to Davis, CA. Have a friend that lives there.

So anyone from Davis??

I know it got voted the only platinum city by the American League of Bicyclists...

So I have hope. I'll most likely be car-free there.
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Congratulations! I bet you'll have fun.
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Thanks... I just hope its as decent as they make it sound.
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I'm going to be homeless for awhile until I can work enough money to get a place. Any ideas of where to be homeless? Never been homeless before...but I will make it work.
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I'm going to be homeless for awhile until I can work enough money to get a place. Any ideas of where to be homeless? Never been homeless before...but I will make it work.
Do you have any plans for employment at above minimum wages in Davis? If not, you might be homeless for quite awhile. BTW, Don't get sick or injured.
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i moved to portland, OR without a home lined up. i just stayed in a hotel for a couple of weeks, got a temp job, which then allowed me to get a cheapo apartment. after a fews months i saved a little for a better apartment.

i think i started off with about $1500 cash. you gotta have at least some money or you're making it exponetially more difficult for yourself.
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I am making it exponentially difficult, yes. I have one friend there... I think if things got super rough she would help me out. But I want to do this on my own, mostly.

If I can work full time for a week weeks, thats enough money to probably move in SOMEWHERE. I also can use my credit card to sign up for a gym membership to workout/shower.

Unforto I don't have my xtracycle with me... but its all good. Anyone live in Phoenix and want an xtracycle? I'll give it to you for a good price.

Ticket booked to sacramento... maybe i'll come back and let ya guys know how it all turns out. that is, if i don't get robbed and someone steals my laptop.

leaving in a few hours. ;D

I'm good at getting jobs, if I really want one. And yes, I have some things lined up.
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Can't you stay with your friend in Davis...after all what are friends for...
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Possibly... but thats a story. Plus, how cool would it be to say...
"Yeah... I moved somewhere with just a backpack, and 10 dollars in my wallet... and now look at where I am."

I don't want anyone's help. I don't want my father's car. I don't want nothin. I'm going to make it the good old american way. And plus, its all a joke anyways. This isn't hardship in the grand scheme of things. I think people get too attached to material items.

The hardest part for me is going to be sleeping. I have not been conditioned to sleep in a place that is not a bedroom...with my own privacy and darkness/safety/quiet. So that will be my biggest challenge.
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sounds like you got your mind made up. i'm sure you'll figure something out. good luck and be careful out there!
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I'm going to be homeless for awhile until I can work enough money to get a place. Any ideas of where to be homeless? Never been homeless before...but I will make it work.
Keep us up to date on your adventure. If you have to pawn your laptop you can
still drop in on the library and send us a note.
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Good luck! At least you'll be in California where it stays warm most of the year. Make sure you visit www.freecycle.org frequently, you'll be able to get a lot of the stuff you need for free.
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thanks for the tips/support... i appreciate it.

I'm here, and Davis so far... is pretty dang neat. In fact, I literally stepped off the bus at UCD and walked right into a Bike and Walk California Conference.... chock full of everything to do with designing of cities... just EVERYTHING to do with everything that is talked about on this forum. I guess there are people from all over the world here right now trying to learn/exchange ideas on how to design cities better.

In some ways I feel like I'm in Europe... but yeah, only been here for a few hours. Need to find a roof to sleep on now.

Ah... to be young and homeless in America...
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I certainly understand where you're coming from. I did the same thing when I followed Phish tour. Something about having a nice car on tour and a parent's house I could always fall back on made it impossible for me to say I was "homeless", but if that's your flavor of adventure, I understand. I imagine that you're quite a bit younger than I am, and the allure of what you've done totally makes sense to me. Hell, looking at all of the damn responsibility I have with career, family, homeownership, etc., I've been thinking about how nice it would be to do the same exact thing you just did. Except I'd move to Montreal or Toronto. It's actually been kind of a crisis for me lately. I just want to transfer the car lease, stop making payments on the house, grab my dogs and my old lady and go somewhere else. But... I keep putting on the tie every morning and riding the elevator up to the 18th floor for work at a job I loathe (planning cities, ironically). I guess this is what happens. It doesn't sound like you're at any risk of staying permanently homeless. I say good for you. As long as you stay safe and smart, I doubt you'll ever regret it. I sure never have. In fact, simplifying my life to that point again would be amazing.
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Possibly... but thats a story. Plus, how cool would it be to say...
"Yeah... I moved somewhere with just a backpack, and 10 dollars in my wallet... and now look at where I am."
Yeah, and look where you could wind up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Wild
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You can easily be car-free in Davis. As long as you never need to go to Vacaville. Your best bet is to live as close to the city core as possible, but that's mainly for convenience.

The only thing lacking are really good bike shops.
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You can easily be car-free in Davis. As long as you never need to go to Vacaville. Your best bet is to live as close to the city core as possible, but that's mainly for convenience.

The only thing lacking are really good bike shops.
How good a bike shop does a person need to be easily car-free in a place that has everything else? I wouldn't think bike shop quality was a factor at all.
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I live in Davis and it's great! You can easily cycle anywhere within the city limits in street clothing and the surrounding cities provide for decent longer rides.

I think we actually met last week on the Back to School night group ride. As I recall you were going to go to Santa Cruz next.
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Possibly... but thats a story. Plus, how cool would it be to say...
"Yeah... I moved somewhere with just a backpack, and 10 dollars in my wallet... and now look at where I am."

I don't want anyone's help. I don't want my father's car. I don't want nothin. I'm going to make it the good old american way. And plus, its all a joke anyways. This isn't hardship in the grand scheme of things. I think people get too attached to material items.

The hardest part for me is going to be sleeping. I have not been conditioned to sleep in a place that is not a bedroom...with my own privacy and darkness/safety/quiet. So that will be my biggest challenge.
Why not cancel the plane ticket, save the money (will help you get a place) and ride your bike there? Take a small tent with you and ride across the country. Contact Alistair Humphreys (he has a website) about how to do it. I believe he did it on about $3 a day. I think he also wrote a book on it and published it online. Would save you a LOT of money, be a great achievement and story and of course be better for the environment (planes are HORRIBLE for the environment).

EDIT: Here's his website: http://www.alastairhumphreys.com/
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Hey Don,

That would have been a great idea.. I don't like the idea of planes really... but wow... after making long car rides here and there to places... it was actually quite amazing/thrilling to me to get on a place, and not 2 hours be in Sacramento... still bad tho for the enviro tho..

So I was homeless for only 2 days. I slept on roofs... well, I would "catch" bouts of sleep...then move... I didn't have a blanket, and it got cold.

Luckily couchsurfing.com saved me... and I'm currently surfing someone's couch... actually their room... since they won't be here for another week or so.

It seems god has been helping me. seriously. i've met so many people in so short of a time... in fact people that are super connected to this community... to the bike community... music community... the sustainability people... these are all my passions so its quite amazing to me.

So what do I think of Davis?? Well here is what I've heard from some people...learned...

Turns out Davis is becoming somewhat of a bedroom community for Sacramento/Bay Area. These people moving in are not of the bike culture. They just want to drive their phucking suv's everywhere. phuckers.

There are definitely lots of people that bike here. You pretty much always see bikes.. at least downtown, and obviously the campus. Sometimes the bike lanes are so big.... it will be the same size as the car lane... which is super nice.

So I'm somewhat impressed. Although, I fear the demise of Davis. I can see it going 2 ways right now. Either the car culture will start overwhelming things... or with a fight the bike culture could stay on top.

I have the possibility to really get involved with the bike culture... which.. I might just have to do. It sickens me to think of the machine taking over... literally just destroying and eating away at what Davis has been trying to build bicycling-wise since the 70's...

It just angers me when I'm at the Co-op...and I see all these awesome people coming in on their bikes... so simple, so innocent...

then these other *****-tards taking up so much space...causing danger... revving in their cars/trucks whatever... parking... its so yesterday. these people are so wasteful. its like, phucking just RIDE A BIKE already.

Or in the street last night... I was biking on the right side.... there was a pedestrian and a bicyclist on the left side going the other way. a car decided to drive through the center of the street... going my way...

this idiot had the nerve to actually honk at the person on the bike coming against his flow... even though he had all the phucking space in the world. its like... the city GIVES HIM all OF THAT SPACE in the road. He's taking up 20 billion (u know) times as much space as the innocent bicyclist...and he has the nerve to actually honk at her, and then like speed up...

***** YOU MAN. phucking wake up. you suck. you suck so bad.

disregaurd. arrogance. ignorance. stupidity. wastefulness. materialism. selfishness. egotism. environmental destruction. the list goes on.

so davis isn't the dream city i dreamed of... its better than lots of places... but...

it needs a lot of help....

and frankly i'm not sure what is going to happen now. its like the ideal of davis bicycling.... is surrounded by the larger ideals of the auto-centric american culture... on all sides. like a parasite that is just eating away at the Davis core...

They really need to restrict cars in downtown. make a series of blocks car-free.. do what other countries do. make parking very limited. throw on a gas-tax... etc etc...

but no... it seems no one wants to do that. it seems... that the people in charge of davis are boring and are not pushing for progressive things here...

i'm still learning about this place. but i almost want to leave. i have opportunities to live near Amsterdam or Venice if I want... so I may do that to really see some bicycling/pedestrian/*****-the-car culture...

* i HATE cars *
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to think... that the car was invented not too long ago... and now we cant' escape them...

to be able to walk down a street... a peaceful, car-free street... without any hint of stress of thinking you have to watch for a car that could kill you...

to think this right... the right of peace...has been taken from us...

Rage Against the Machine was right. Who's the Anti-christ? Haha... maybe its technology. I mean hell... the mark of the beast, is a silicon chip... so if a chip is the mark of the beast, maybe the beast is technology..and we are literally going to be enslaved by this $hit. which we are.

i get so fed up
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by the way, a house-mate let me ride one of the bikes here... a really small thing that is funny. but you know, there is something here called the Bike Church, next to some awesome community gardens...where you can use their tools and repair your stuff.. kinda like BICAS in Tucson, AZ.

I can just walk places though also, which I actually like to do also!!
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[QUOTE=CagerTools;5295348]by the way, a house-mate let me ride one of the bikes here... a really small thing that is funny. but you know, there is something here called the Bike Church, next to some awesome community gardens...QUOTE]

There is a bike church in Santa Cruz as well. I bought a bike at the Salvation Army while on a business trip there so I could ride to the beach and around. At the end of my trip I left it with the Bike Church there.

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I am sooooo jealous!!!!
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i have opportunities to live near Amsterdam or Venice if I want... so I may do that to really see some bicycling/pedestrian/*****-the-car culture...

* i HATE cars *
amsterdam and venice still have cars, though. obviously they don't drive in the canals or on the extremely narrow side streets, but they swarm around everywhere else.

i hate car culture too, but i can't let it ruin my day so i try not to get mad at things i can't fix myself. actually, like yourself, i've recently taken up walking more and more. it's nice to be off the streets and not dealing with cars as much as you do on a bike yet i still have a range of several miles that i can cover on foot.

i've pretty much resigned myself to being car-free for as long as i can foresee.
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