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Old 09-20-07, 12:36 AM   #1
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Finally watched "An Inconvenient Truth"

Did anyone happen to see anything about pollution in the whole video, or is the whole point of the video to bash the current president?

It was actually pretty disappointing to me. I have been wanting to watch this for a long time but my library never has is in. I finally downloaded it today on-line.

I guess I'm back to not paying attention to a word any politician has to say.

I dont know if this belongs in another forum or not, but I put it here since we are the "enviro hippies" of BF
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It was a comedy. Laugh at it, that's what it was made for, right?
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Yeah, I have to say that I wasn't that impressed. Al Gore is just another enviro-chickenhawk, who makes silly little suggestions for reducing our environmental footprint, but doesn't dare ever challenge the notion of car culture and reforming our way of life here in America.
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I agree with everything said thus far. However, the science in it seemed pretty solid and that information could be found from real studies. So, I appreciated that aspect of it.

Also, it has the ability to get the average Joe at least thinking about carbon footprints and it highlights the downward spiral of how wasteful our culture is.
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Hmmm....

If you guys are saying, Al Gore is a lightweight environmentalist suggesting chicken***t "solutions" that are too little and too late, I agree 100%.

On the other hand, as the candidate who got the most votes in an important election, he counts as a high-profile advocate for an important cause, and as such he can do more to advance the cause than I or, I suspect, any of us can.

It seems to me he has intentionally chosen an aspect of the problem that hasn't been getting the attention it deserves. That is, pollution and global warming are inseparable, but pollution is old news and is being addressed already (not very well, I agree, but that's a separate issue), while global warming is not being addressed, and many people don't even believe it exists or, if they do, actually think it's a good thing.

May I assume we all agree that global warming is real, and that it is a problem? In my opinion, to deny global warming is a worse crime even than, say, denying the holocaust. So if Al has persuaded a few million people, then the movie has been a success.

As for the solutions he suggests... well, yes, it's chicken***t... but it's a step in the right direction, and it's a step our country has yet to take.

As for being a politician... well, yes, that's what he is. The politician's primary concern is getting more votes than his opponent. I don't respect the fact that he is offering a watered down version of the truth; but he seems to think this is the strongest solution the people will consider. That's pretty disappointing, to put it lightly. But he remains the strongest advocate for our cause, so I support him.
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most of that "documentary" was masturbatory, self-gratifying fluff for Al Gore and his political agenda. I still have to give him props for helping to make global warming a general topic of discussion for people who wouldn't normally even think about those things. I guess if you watch it you just have to take everything with a grain of salt, understand the source.
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Oh, by the way, Maddyfish... regarding your "Bicyclists should be like Hedgehogs, small, but so mean and nasty nobody will want to fool with them" ... I'm not looking to start a fight here, you understand... but I met a hedgehog last month. My eight-year-old daughter has a tiny little toy hedgehog, a character from some story she read, and when we visited Europe she wanted to see a real one. I saw some dead ones along the road sides (ironic, isn't it, how bicyclists alway see this carnage better than the cars who cause it?) but I didn't point these out to her. But one evening she and her cousin went out into my uncle's garden to pick a pear off the tree and saw a little dark lump moving across the grass... so they came back to the table where the adults were sitting and mentioned it. My uncle ran down there and dropped a seater over the lump, picked it up, and brought it up to where we were sitting. He placed it on the table and unwrapped it; and there was the hedgehog. At first it looked like an overgrown sea urchin, but after a little while it uncurled itself, at which point little black feet, and a friendly but confused little face poked out of the spikes. It looked at us, each in turn, gradually turning itself around, looking for an escape route. After each of the kids had had a chance to touch the spines, and a couple pictures had been taken, my uncle took the little guy back to the garden and let him go on his way. From this experience -- my first encounter with a hedgehog since about 1968 -- I'd have to say they are not mean, and not nasty. Sorry!
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The movie has a lot of segments that look like, well, campaign ads, and Al acts like such a smug, self-satisfied dork that it makes you forget he's actually pretty intelligent. However, if you edit those parts out and focus on the powerpoint presentation, it's pretty solid; it agrees with mainstream science (see the IPCC report, which is not a radical document by any means) and it's actually fairly restrained. I had to laugh a bit, though, at the very end, when Al suggested that we could solve the problem by buying smaller cars and compact flourescents; that's like giving an aspirin to an Ebola patient.
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I agree that this film puts the issue of global warming into the homes and minds of many people who would not otherwise pay attention. In that aspect, it's fabulous. However, Al Gore as the spokesperson for this cause seems a bit contradictory to me. I do not know the source of this article or information, but I do think there is probably a substantial amount of truth in it. Maybe someone else has new info...
Anyway, here is the interesting part of this article about Gore's personal footprint:

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh--more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh--guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore's extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006."


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Letterrider, my dad was telling me a few of those facts the other day that he heard on the radio. he didnt have the exact numbers for it so I have been curious as to what the numbers actually were.

And yes, I also agree that the slideshow it self was pretty good as long as you dont pay attention to the guy presenting it or the "commercials" in between.

BTW, since he urged everyone to "buy a smaller car if they could" at the end, notice that he is riding in the back of a 254636653 lb. limo through out hlaf the movie. And how much fuel is being burned by the (private?) jets he took to fly to those "over 1,000 slideshows" in US, China. Japan, etc....
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I agree that this film puts the issue of global warming into the homes and minds of many people who would not otherwise pay attention. In that aspect, it's fabulous.
That's certainly WAY more than any other politician has done. How can that be a bad thing?

What most seem to be doing is discrediting the messenger which then discredits the message. This can have dire consequences to a message that needs promotion, and gets almost none.

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That's certainly WAY more than any other politician has done. How can that be a bad thing?

What most seem to be doing is discrediting the messenger which then discredits the message. This can have dire consequences to a message that needs promotion, and gets almost none.

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Kind of like a smoking, overweight doctor telling me I need to lose weight, stop smoking and get more exercise...IMHO the messenger is just as important as the message. I don't recommend preaching the vegetarian lifestyle when eating a juicy steak. National politicians seem to be totally out of touch with their constituency. State leaders are only marginally better. It has been said many times before that the upcoming problems facing the people of this country are going to be solved on the local, grassroots level, not the national level. I have little faith in the federal goverment and the people that run it...regardless of party affiliation.

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State leaders are only marginally better. It has been said many times before that the upcoming problems facing the people of this country are going to be solved on the local, grassroots level, not the national level. I have little faith in the federal goverment and the people that run it...regardless of party affiliation.

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More people need to pick up this mentality. It is grassroots change the leads to a real shift in ideas, not individual people preaching to mindless head-bobbers. (ie; politicians giving interviews on TV)
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Forget Gore. If you're looking for a celeb who's the "real thing," check out Ed Begley, Jr.

http://www.livingwithed.net/

He's got a new reality TV show coming out which will focus quite a bit on his efforts to combine an eco-friendly lifestyle with the modern world. I don't know what approach the producers are taking, but hopefully it will include something practical.
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"In my opinion, to deny global warming is a worse crime even than, say, denying the holocaust."

Why is that RHM? I don't see the connection.
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Don't be so quick to assume that everyone here buys the GWBS, rhm. I don't. (but I hope we're all still friends)

Al Gore is a hypocrite; Bush's ranch has way lower of an environmental footprint than Gore's place, which is really saying something considering that it is Bush.

Gore hasn't really done anything but perpetuate an idea that hasn't been convincingly proven. His "inconvenient truth" is ironically a very convenient way to justify all sorts of bad policy, and so it proves to be little more than a political ploy to gain the loyalty of our more clueless and corrupt lawmakers.

I have no problem with cutting emissions, increasing sustainable practices, and living more efficiently, of course. I just think that those of us who care about the future of the planet will be more effective in our efforts if we focus them on real problems, that we can actually have an effect on. Riding our bikes after an environmental red-herring leaves half the job undone.
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In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006."
Interesting...
Funny it says nothing about how gore uses green electricity sources. Leave the lights on all you want if your source dosen't emit carbon.
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Funny it says nothing about how gore uses green electricity sources. Leave the lights on all you want if your source dosen't emit carbon.
Can you show me something that states this as fact? How about the over $1000 a month in natural gas?

Im sure next you will say this his limos are hybrids also?
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"In my opinion, to deny global warming is a worse crime even than, say, denying the holocaust."
Yes, unfortunatly it's statements like that that really have me wondering about global warming..

Another I heard was "Don't even start to question the science behind global warming".. errr... dude? That's what science is all about right?

So when someone tells me not to question it I get a whole bunch of red flags goin' up...

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Funny it says nothing about how gore uses green electricity sources. Leave the lights on all you want if your source dosen't emit carbon.
While I see what you are saying, it's still bad practice. Leaving the lights on as much as you want will only leave to more of a draw on energy, renewable or not. Only so much can be generated at one time.
It's like eating a double helping of something, just because it's fat free.
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"In my opinion, to deny global warming is a worse crime even than, say, denying the holocaust."

Why is that RHM? I don't see the connection.
Oh, I don't mean to imply that there's a connection. It's just that, denying the holocaust now, after the fact, no matter how illegal and stupid it is, has no bearing on the outcome of the holocaust. On the other hand, denying global warming, if it allows you to drive an SUV with a clear conscience, actually makes the problem worse. I am not comparing the holocaust and global warming; they are different animals. I am comparing their denial.

Best case scenarios:

If every one who denies the holocaust would suddenly see the error of his ways, and admit the historicity of the holocaust, and try to do something about it... well, that would be very nice, but few if any lives would be saved.

On the other hand, if every one who denies global warming would suddenly see the error of his ways, admit that global warming is real and is the result of humans burning fossil fuels, and try to do something about it... well, that might actually make a difference! If we could stop global warming, hundreds of millions of lives would be saved.

So I stand by my statement, that to deny global warming is a worse crime than denying the holocaust.
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Oh, by the way, Maddyfish... regarding your "Bicyclists should be like Hedgehogs, small, but so mean and nasty nobody will want to fool with them" ... I'm not looking to start a fight here, you understand... but I met a hedgehog last month. My eight-year-old daughter has a tiny little toy hedgehog, a character from some story she read, and when we visited Europe she wanted to see a real one. I saw some dead ones along the road sides (ironic, isn't it, how bicyclists alway see this carnage better than the cars who cause it?) but I didn't point these out to her. But one evening she and her cousin went out into my uncle's garden to pick a pear off the tree and saw a little dark lump moving across the grass... so they came back to the table where the adults were sitting and mentioned it. My uncle ran down there and dropped a seater over the lump, picked it up, and brought it up to where we were sitting. He placed it on the table and unwrapped it; and there was the hedgehog. At first it looked like an overgrown sea urchin, but after a little while it uncurled itself, at which point little black feet, and a friendly but confused little face poked out of the spikes. It looked at us, each in turn, gradually turning itself around, looking for an escape route. After each of the kids had had a chance to touch the spines, and a couple pictures had been taken, my uncle took the little guy back to the garden and let him go on his way. From this experience -- my first encounter with a hedgehog since about 1968 -- I'd have to say they are not mean, and not nasty. Sorry!
I'm not mean and nasty if you are nice to me either. What do think would have happened if you picked up the hog and bit it? I bet it would not have been as nice then. That's the point, be nice if others are nice, but if others are not nice, be mean and nasty.
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I'm not mean and nasty if you are nice to me either. What do think would have happened if you picked up the hog and bit it? I bet it would not have been as nice then. That's the point, be nice if others are nice, but if others are not nice, be mean and nasty.
Well, picking him up didn't phase him much... but bite him? No thanks, too prickly. But I see your point-- thanks for the clarification!
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It has been said many times before that the upcoming problems facing the people of this country are going to be solved on the local, grassroots level, not the national level.

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This week Obama gave a speech a few blocks from where I work right after work
so I biked down to check him out. Among the various platitudes he seemed to say the same thing.
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"On the other hand, if every one who denies global warming would suddenly see the error of his ways, admit that global warming is real and is the result of humans burning fossil fuels, and try to do something about it... well, that might actually make a difference! If we could stop global warming, hundreds of millions of lives would be saved."

That statement pre-supposes that Global warming is A) real and B) the result of humans burning fossil fuels. Both of those presuppositions are in dispute, and unlike some who say so, the science is not settled on the issue.

That being said, I ride because it's good for me and it saves me money, not because I buy the Global warming outcry. By the way, I don't deny the holocaust.
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