Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Living Car Free Do you live car free or car light? Do you prefer to use alternative transportation (bicycles, walking, other human-powered or public transportation) for everyday activities whenever possible? Discuss your lifestyle here.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-05-07, 06:37 AM   #1
jakub.ner
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, Ontario
Bikes: 2 Xootr Swifts, Dahon Curve, Oxford Winter Beater.
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
It helps to be car dependant for some time.

It helps to be car dependant for some time in your life. I don't mean to have a car for joy riding, but to have a car that you drive to school/work day in and day out. Once you realize how little attention you pay, and how much of an automaton you become, you can get rid of the car.

It's good to realize how little one can actually see outside of a windshield during a down pour. Or how little control you have over a car on ice (if you cycle in winter).

It's a sobering experience to realize what is out there waiting for you on the roads.

Just my $0.02 after I read the "teen going car free" thread (or parts of it).
jakub.ner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-07, 07:02 PM   #2
gerv 
In the right lane
 
gerv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Des Moines
Bikes: 1974 Huffy 3 speed
Posts: 9,534
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
jakub.ner, by the same token, it helps to live without a car. You start to see that a lot the overhead in you life is simply just fluff. I think it's amazing to see that the car is really just a habit we've all fallen into... a bad habit.
gerv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-07, 07:47 PM   #3
jakub.ner
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, Ontario
Bikes: 2 Xootr Swifts, Dahon Curve, Oxford Winter Beater.
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Agreed. But that's a different discussion; a way of thinking that probably a lot of us car-free and car-lite individuals already subscribe to.

Last edited by jakub.ner; 10-05-07 at 07:57 PM.
jakub.ner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-07, 04:57 PM   #4
Bushman
Grumbly Goat
 
Bushman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Bikes: bicycles with round wheels
Posts: 895
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I can see just fine out of my truck windows during a heavy downpour (and i dont get blinded in the eyes by sleet). I pay the same amount of attention as when i cycle, in fact i pay more when driving (professional driver, maybe counts for something). Not getting rid of my truck(s) anytime soon. I enjoy driving and wrenching on them (and my fleet of bikes). Yes, i'm vehicle "lite".

the day they make a bicycle that can haul 20,000lbs of construction debris, that can tilt and dump it, and that can haul 2000lbs of job toolboxes and crew, and that can go up and down 30% grades, 1000's of KM's a day, and keep my dry and warm, is the day i'll get rid of my truck(s)


2 cents.
Bushman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-07, 07:21 PM   #5
aMull
Senior Member
 
aMull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Toronto
Bikes: Leader 735TR 09 58cm 46/17
Posts: 1,779
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
^ No one is arguing the usefulness of vehicles in certain situations.
aMull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-07, 09:14 PM   #6
kjohnnytarr
Instigator at best
 
kjohnnytarr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Columbia, Missouri
Bikes: Motobecane Jury
Posts: 1,086
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I totally agree. I'm glad not to own or need a car, but I'm just as glad to be licensed to drive should I need to. It's like knowing CPR, like that.

I've had jobs where I needed to drive vehicles (short-buses for kids, pick-ups to haul canoes, etc.) Also, if I'm staying with someone who lives in the boonies, it's nice to be able to drive into town without them. I also like to do my fair share of the driving on a road-trip.

Of course, I am getting rusty at it. The other day, a friend who is car lite asked me to move his car across the street while I was helping him move, and I totally botched the parallel park job. Can't win 'em all.
kjohnnytarr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-07, 10:16 AM   #7
jakub.ner
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, Ontario
Bikes: 2 Xootr Swifts, Dahon Curve, Oxford Winter Beater.
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Bushman, if you're going to respond please keep to the spirit of the thread. No one is bashing cars here. This thread is about being aware of what it's like from the other side, from inside the car. If you recall it's in response to the car-free teens thread.

All I'm saying is, I didn't appreciate melodic metal nor rock as much before I picked up a guitar.
jakub.ner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-07, 03:22 AM   #8
thebikeguy
Smiling and Waving
 
thebikeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Merrickville,Canada
Bikes: -
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakub.ner View Post
......Once you realize how little attention you pay, and how much of an automaton you become, you can get rid of the car.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that.I went through the "teen going car free" thread.Care to elaborate?
thebikeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-07, 08:53 AM   #9
jakub.ner
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: London, Ontario
Bikes: 2 Xootr Swifts, Dahon Curve, Oxford Winter Beater.
Posts: 518
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A while back--probably when reading this forum--I thought about raising kids in my area (London, Ontario) car-free and car-lite. When it came to cycling one thing that worried me was that at some point kids would be riding alone on the roads and not having a healthy respect for cars on the roads.

Reading the sticky on teens going car-free brought these thoughts back.

My argument was that I have a healthy respect for cars becuase of my driving experience; something I wouldn't have if I was car-free from the get go.
jakub.ner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-07, 02:01 PM   #10
thebikeguy
Smiling and Waving
 
thebikeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Merrickville,Canada
Bikes: -
Posts: 364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
You didn't have this "healthy respect for cars on the roads" until you actually started driving(at the age of 16)and knew what it is to drive a car.Hopefully you were riding bikes long before then.Kids have been running the roads by themselves for years.It would be up to you(as the parent) to teach your kids to be road smart.
I agree though that everybody at some point would need to rely on a car for transportation(taking the pet to the vet,kids to doctors' appointments,etc).Just not neccessarily your car.I've got friends that will drive me somewhere if I need use of a vehicle,or I take a taxi or transit.
Now, I'll have to admit that I'm not a teenager anymore(most people might say I still act like one).I drove cars for 20 years and have owned over 140 of them in that time(mostly antique and vintage).I have been carfree for the past 12 years and don't miss driving(I don't even have a licence anymore)at all.I have ridden the last 12 winters in Ottawa and I'm here to say it is more than doable.
I feel that society as a whole has become too comfortable and lazy.
Just look at the numbers of overweight people(adults and kids)!
thebikeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:57 AM.