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Old 11-25-07, 11:48 AM
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I think that it's, at it's root, a small thing. You ride, they drive. They asked you to drive. It's no big, unless they make you pay for gas on top of it. Possibly your parents are at that point where they are trying to let go but having issues - its common, and it often comes out as strange requests mutating into orders.

Smile, nod, and do what you think is right. That's all this situation needs.
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Originally Posted by TonyCtattoo
... and despite the oppinions of others being a minor does not make you a worthless slave.
"Worthless Slave"? Priceless over-the -top rhetoric! Better even than the "kindness of his heart" BS!
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Priceless over-the -top rhetoric!
Yeah, I agree that someone in this thread is definitely using priceless over-the-top rhetoric.
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Kids and parents don't have a equal relationship - the power dynamic places the parents in charge, although in today's society, we expect parents to treat the child more like a participant than simply an automaton that obeys.

Honestly, I don't take this to the extreme other parents do. My kids are given consideration as thinking people, but there are times when 'the law' is set, and that has to be there, because a parent's authority needs to be absolute.

Disregarding a child's point of view, though, undermines your own authority. Children who believe their parents don't listen are more likely to rebel in dangerous ways. Parents with authority know that sometimes the child needs to have their views listened to, because power involves both people acknowledging. When a person in power has to force the other to submit, then its not power anymore, but strength. Power is when one submits to the other willingly.
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What I don't understand is why your parents want you to bring along your sister; and I think it's up to you to decide what counts as a good reason. Do you think the purpose of the "bring your sister" wrinkle was to force you to drive the car? If so, I would ignore it.
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I agree with being a bit less militant while you're still staying with your parents. You will have full control over your own life choices soon enough. I mean, if you go vegan you don't expect everyone else in the family to eat that way too? Your sister needed to come with you, she doesn't cycle, cycling and taking the car were the only options. If those were the facts, I'd take the car too.

My SO is gradually getting into this cycling thing, but what's a reasonable distance for me is still very much beyond the comfort zone for her. We take that into account when we plan for holidays, for example. Sometimes we cycle, sometimes we rent a car. We've come a long way from not cycling together at all.

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Originally Posted by Juha
You will have full control over your own life choices soon enough.
There was a little sign posted on a wall of a kite/toy store in my hometown that said, "Tired of your parents telling you what to do? Move out NOW while you still know everything!"


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I still say they wanted the kids all gone to get freaky.
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi
There was a little sign posted on a wall of a kite/toy store in my hometown that said, "Tired of your parents telling you what to do? Move out NOW while you still know everything!"


And don't forget to leave the keys to their car and their credit cards and their checkbooks at the door as you won't need them no more.
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Thank you for all the responses.

I'VE REALIZED I AM JUST AS SPOILED AS ALL OF MY SIBLINGS! AHHHHHHHHHH!

And just so everybody knows, I meant the OP to be a bit tongue in cheek as far as rhetoric goes.

And TRaffic Jammer is totally right. I'm just in denial.
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Don't fret little trooper, it's a good thing your folks still love each other, and the whole family is still together. you might learn some good things about love, relationships and tolerating other people and such.... Cliché, I know, but true. NOW GO RIDE!!!!!
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I can't.

I'm grounded from my bike, lmao.

. . . I wish I was kidding. My father stole my wheels and everything. Other people from my school find it amusing however. They seem to think I'm a strange teenager. I wonder why.

Unless of course you meant that go ride part as some sort of sexual innuendo not directed towards me, in which case I have no response.
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Old 11-26-07, 08:09 PM
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grounded off your bike? did they catch you with skin mags or pot? Sheesh. Oh, well. Don't do that again.
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Originally Posted by Mago
Kids and parents don't have a equal relationship - the power dynamic places the parents in charge, although in today's society, we expect parents to treat the child more like a participant than simply an automaton that obeys.

Honestly, I don't take this to the extreme other parents do. My kids are given consideration as thinking people, but there are times when 'the law' is set, and that has to be there, because a parent's authority needs to be absolute.

Disregarding a child's point of view, though, undermines your own authority. Children who believe their parents don't listen are more likely to rebel in dangerous ways. Parents with authority know that sometimes the child needs to have their views listened to, because power involves both people acknowledging. When a person in power has to force the other to submit, then its not power anymore, but strength. Power is when one submits to the other willingly.

exactly if you make anyone feel helpless they are either going to completely give up mentally and physically or completely rebel against you . treating children worse than people get treated in medium security prisons cant possibly lead to a healthy beginning to a life
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Originally Posted by Mago
grounded off your bike? did they catch you with skin mags or pot? Sheesh. Oh, well. Don't do that again.
yeah in the future just dont make any obscene offers like that. let them get their own food unless they make you . i mean learn from your mistakes of trying to be nice
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In the world of manners, accepting an offer of kindness and then imposing yourself on the person making the offer by demanding more is rude.

Your mother didn't ask you to take your sister, she demanded you do it. That was out of line.

If your bike was taken away because of this incident then it is too bad that I must pronounce your parents insane.

I agree with TonyCtattoo, never again make an offer to get anything for your parents again. If at some time in the future they ask why you never make such offers, remind them of the time they took advantage of you and then punished you for it.

If you can get a part time job now and begin saving your money, you will be able to move out on your eighteenth birthday. If you don't plan to move out at that time it would still be a good idea to have that money ready for the first big fight you have with your parents after you are eighteen. They'll yell at you and say "As long as you live under our roof..." just say "OK, I'll be gone in a week."

Since you can't work full time as a sixteen year old it will take you two or more months to save up enough to pay just one months rent for an apartment (unless you are some super entrepreneur). So start now.

I have a big cousin who is about twenty years old. He works at a Wal-Mart unloading trucks on the weekends and earns $600 for two days work. I have no idea why they pay that much. It would be a great job if you could get it.
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Originally Posted by Shaverda
I can't.

I'm grounded from my bike, lmao.

. . . I wish I was kidding. My father stole my wheels and everything. Other people from my school find it amusing however. They seem to think I'm a strange teenager. I wonder why.

Unless of course you meant that go ride part as some sort of sexual innuendo not directed towards me, in which case I have no response.
dude, don't take this the wrong way but if what ya say is true, yer ol' man is a world-class prick. stole yer wheels? you need to have a little come-to-jesus with him now. that's unacceptable.
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That's whacked.
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Originally Posted by TonyCtattoo
yeah in the future just dont make any obscene offers like that. let them get their own food unless they make you . i mean learn from your mistakes of trying to be nice
+1
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels
Since you can't work full time as a sixteen year old it will take you two or more months to save up enough to pay just one months rent for an apartment (unless you are some super entrepreneur). So start now.
Actually, depending on the state I think he could work full-time. I got my first 40-hour desk job at 16. Not sure if it was exactly legal or not though. People don't pay much attention to things like that here in this part of Tennessee.
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Originally Posted by TRaffic Jammer
That's whacked.
No, no no... the proper enunciation of the phrase is, "Thas' WACK."

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