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    Whacky Toronto pedal-car

    Not exactly car-free, but kinda...check out the whacky Flintstone-esque pedal-powered car some artists in Toronto put together.

    Four Person Pedal Car Pulled Over by Police

    What would the legality of this type of vehicle be in Canada? And note the non-confrontational, laid-back interaction between cops and civilians (by contrast with American police--not trying to get a dig in, I'm just sayin').
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    What would the legality of this type of vehicle be in Canada?
    From what I've seen, places in Canada and the USA usually consider anything with more than 3 wheels as not being a legal "bicycle." I think some areas may also limit "bicycles" to having two riders.

    Some places have a "neighborhood electric vehicle" classification, but I doubt a non-electric pedal-power vehicle can be classified as an NEV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    And note the non-confrontational, laid-back interaction between cops and civilians (by contrast with American police--not trying to get a dig in, I'm just sayin').
    Are you kidding? I don't know which American Police you've dealt with (you're from Southern Ontario?) but that's amusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    And note the non-confrontational, laid-back interaction between cops and civilians (by contrast with American police--not trying to get a dig in, I'm just sayin').
    Among Michiganders, the OPP has a pretty fearsome reputation.


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    I've been stopped for speeding in the U.S. a couple of times. American cops are comparatively uptight and under a lot of strain because they never know if the yahoo in the car has a *** or not. This is not an issue in Canada.

    What would be so "fearsome" about the OPP, I wonder? One difference between Michigan and Ontario is that we drive faster here. I once got a ticket on a rural stretch of a limited-access highway going north in Michigan where the limit was 70 mph--I was going 78 (that's about 125 km/h). In Ontario the ostensible speed limit on the 401 is 100 km/h, but the slow lane goes 110, the middle lane 120 and the fast lane 130. If it's busy, of course. You will probably get a ticket if traffic is light, the OPP are present, and you are going over 130.

    If traffic is heavy, you will be subject to much wrath and flashing headlights from other drivers if you go less than 130 in the fast lane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Not exactly car-free, but kinda...check out the whacky Flintstone-esque pedal-powered car some artists in Toronto put together.

    Four Person Pedal Car Pulled Over by Police

    What would the legality of this type of vehicle be in Canada? And note the non-confrontational, laid-back interaction between cops and civilians (by contrast with American police--not trying to get a dig in, I'm just sayin').
    That thing is awesome, but I can see why they don't want it on the roads. The brakes seemed mediocre and it looked pretty slow through those intersections, thus all of the horns, etc. Still, a nifty machine nonetheless.

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    Normal laws just aren't made for something like this. It wouldn't be too surprising if it was ruled to be a bicycle if it actually got into court.

    One problem is using a car to start with. Had they started with bike frames and built a car-appearing cover over it, it would be more likely to get accepted as a bicycle.

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    You can't make a comparison between OPP and american police based on this video. The Police in this video are pulling over a bicycle/car/art vehicle. That sort of traffic stop would have any police officer dropping his uptightness and appearing "non-confrontational".

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    Hopefully your latest trip to the USA will be your last.

    They were probably uptight because they assumed you had pot in your car since you had canadian plates.




    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    I've been stopped for speeding in the U.S. a couple of times. American cops are comparatively uptight and under a lot of strain because they never know if the yahoo in the car has a *** or not. This is not an issue in Canada.

    What would be so "fearsome" about the OPP, I wonder? One difference between Michigan and Ontario is that we drive faster here. I once got a ticket on a rural stretch of a limited-access highway going north in Michigan where the limit was 70 mph--I was going 78 (that's about 125 km/h). In Ontario the ostensible speed limit on the 401 is 100 km/h, but the slow lane goes 110, the middle lane 120 and the fast lane 130. If it's busy, of course. You will probably get a ticket if traffic is light, the OPP are present, and you are going over 130.

    If traffic is heavy, you will be subject to much wrath and flashing headlights from other drivers if you go less than 130 in the fast lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
    Normal laws just aren't made for something like this. It wouldn't be too surprising if it was ruled to be a bicycle if it actually got into court.
    I think because it has the original car chassis, even in a modified state, it would be considered a car regardless.

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    It's a really great piece of art. A good comment on car culture and what actually constitutes a vehicle but I can really see a problem with this quadricycle(??) being on public roads from an insurance standpoint. The cop said his ass would be on the line if he let it go and an accident occured. I think he handled the situation really well, I also liked all the Toronto bike cops stopping to have a look (where they all going or coming off shift?). These kids seem to be really good techies/engineers to get a vehicle that heavy converted to pedal power they should look into vehicle design or some kind of engineering as a career.

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    Oh yea, i've never had a problem with most Canadian or American or British police. Maybe on or two *******s every now and then (probably having a crappy day), but 99% of them are pretty professional and friendly. Now security guards!! They sometimes really get my goat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    What would the legality of this type of vehicle be in Canada?
    Maybe I'm just blind, but I didn't see any seatbelts. There're probably a whole bunch of other regs out there too... I'm not saying that the concept isn't illegal, but based on the setup, something probably is.

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    Maybe I'm just blind, but I didn't see any seatbelts.
    If it qualified as a bicycle, which it doesn't, seatbelts would be unnecessary.

    Maybe license plates, inspection, insurance, electric turn signals, seatbelts, would turn it into a legal car?
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    Great idea, great engineering, but too damn heavy a chassis. Given an all carbon fiber body, efficient drivetrain and 4 Lance-types, it could probably make 20+ mph. Any type of incline would kill it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heywood View Post
    I also liked all the Toronto bike cops stopping to have a look (where they all going or coming off shift?).
    Nah, they always seem to travel in packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gosmsgo View Post
    Hopefully your latest trip to the USA will be your last.

    They were probably uptight because they assumed you had pot in your car since you had canadian plates.
    haha. Officer dude! Don't be so stressed! *'ere*

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    In 1989 a canadian cop pulled over a tour bus I was on and beat the cr#p out of our bus driver. So Americans have no monoploy on bad cops.

    But in general the canadian people are more docile and easily controlled than americans, so maybe the cops are easier going there.
    Not too much to say here

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    Quote Originally Posted by gosmsgo View Post
    Hopefully your latest trip to the USA will be your last.

    They were probably uptight because they assumed you had pot in your car since you had canadian plates.

    Why would that make them uptight?
    Most of the cops I have known love a good 'confiscate'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    But in general the canadian people are more docile and easily controlled than
    americans, so maybe the cops are easier going there.

    That's because they get all their aggression out on hockey games; not because they're docile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerewa View Post
    If it qualified as a bicycle, which it doesn't, seatbelts would be unnecessary.

    Maybe license plates, inspection, insurance, electric turn signals, seatbelts, would turn it into a legal car?
    They have mechanical turn signals!??!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyeinyoureye View Post
    They have mechanical turn signals!??!
    We call 'em arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_bRAD View Post
    We call 'em arms.
    And here I thought my arms were biological. In any event, I'm sure ya won't mind removing and reattaching your mechanical arms... Pikz or I call BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
    In 1989 a canadian cop pulled over a tour bus I was on and beat the cr#p out of our bus driver. So Americans have no monoploy on bad cops.

    But in general the canadian people are more docile and easily controlled than americans, so maybe the cops are easier going there.
    Last time I checked, we don't allow our government to pass laws which take a giant poop on our constitutionally guaranteed rights... have fun being "not easily controlled."

    And yes - every country has its share of bad cops.

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    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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