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Old 01-19-08, 04:30 PM   #1
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Great interview:Three prominent cycling minds discuss how to get more people on bike

Check out this video over at Commute By Bike.

Starring: Tim Parr, owner of Swobo; Brad Quartuccio, one of the founders of the Urban Velo zine; and Tim “Masi Guy” Jackson, who is the brand manager that has brought the famous Masi road bike back from the dead.

Interview by Tim Grahl of the Crooked Cog Network.

There are some very good discussions about the industry needs to do to get everyday people riding there bikes to work. I really like what Tim Parr has to say about the shift in perception of the bicycle. Bicycling needs to become more 'cool' and there needs to be lees of a stigma about adults riding there bikes for errands.
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I really like what Tim Parr has to say about the shift in perception of the bicycle. Bicycling needs to become more 'cool' and there needs to be lees of a stigma about adults riding there bikes for errands.
This is so true. I think it can really depend on where you live, but ultimately the perception has to shift.

I guess all that we can do is just be out there doing it. And when people ask me about it, I tell them, "It's a lot easier than it looks."
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I especially liked the part about the need for bikes that are easy to ride. I'm planing to build a bike that's purpose-built for loaning out. What I mean is: something with a low stand-over height (probably a woman's frame) with a fat, comfy seat, a coaster brake, fat tires, a basket, and upright posture. Basically, something anyone could hop on and ride comfortably.
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I especially liked the part about the need for bikes that are easy to ride. I'm planing to build a bike that's purpose-built for loaning out. What I mean is: something with a low stand-over height (probably a woman's frame) with a fat, comfy seat, a coaster brake, fat tires, a basket, and upright posture. Basically, something anyone could hop on and ride comfortably.
I keep a couple of those handy, most of ours are 3 speeds for ease of riding.

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Bicycling needs to become more 'cool' and there needs to be lees of a stigma about adults riding there bikes for errands.
Great conversation! I kind of agree with what Tim Parr had to say about building demand ("coolness") rather than somehow negatively goading people into bike commuting("high gas prices/keeps carbon emissions down..). All of those negative arguments are certainly true enough, but... speaking personally... if cycling around town wasn't a lot of fun, I wouldn't do as much of it.

However, on this coolness factor, the interview also build on this fact: People who cruise around town in their cars need to see cyclists cruising around town. They need to see cycling technology as a do-able thing. They need to know that you can get to work in the rain. They need to see reasonable, everyday people (probably not wearing a lot of cycling-specific clothing and acting reasonably viz-a-viz traffic) doing it. In that way, they can then see themselves doing it.
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I find more people would ride their bikes if they had some one to ride with.
I myself when in a new town will ride in a legal group just so I can navigate this new city.

I would like to think I am cool, however in a day glow vest I think not.
In Urban areas I would like to think I am sending a message of you can ride here.
Yet I tend to wonder if I just send this is a bicycle and it moves 3 times slower.

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Great conversation! I kind of agree with what Tim Parr had to say about building demand ("coolness") rather than somehow negatively goading people into bike commuting("high gas prices/keeps carbon emissions down..). All of those negative arguments are certainly true enough, but... speaking personally... if cycling around town wasn't a lot of fun, I wouldn't do as much of it.

However, on this coolness factor, the interview also build on this fact: People who cruise around town in their cars need to see cyclists cruising around town. They need to see cycling technology as a do-able thing. They need to know that you can get to work in the rain. They need to see reasonable, everyday people (probably not wearing a lot of cycling-specific clothing and acting reasonably viz-a-viz traffic) doing it. In that way, they can then see themselves doing it.
A little while back my wife and I rode our bikes down to go have dinner... while we were there another couple rode up on bikes for dinner as well! The place only had one small bike rack, so I had to move my bike to make room for the two new ones... but was MORE than happy to do so!

As far as promoting cycling... I just talk about it. When people comment on my bike, or on my riding someplace, I just talk about how fun it is, and how good it is for you... I've gotten a few people over here onto the forums to check it out.

One bus driver that I always rode with was just telling me about how much he's been riding his bike... when I first started talking to him, he said "Yeah, I should pull my bike out and ride it... I really need the exercise!"... now he says he rides it every day. Yes... for exercise/recreation, but it's a start!
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I love the idea of a purpose built loaner. I am definitely going to make that a spring project.
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I especially liked the part about the need for bikes that are easy to ride. I'm planing to build a bike that's purpose-built for loaning out. What I mean is: something with a low stand-over height (probably a woman's frame) with a fat, comfy seat, a coaster brake, fat tires, a basket, and upright posture. Basically, something anyone could hop on and ride comfortably.
The RANS bicycles advertised on the side of this page can be adjusted in seconds. Their seat posts have markings on them in inches for inseam measurement. Riders can sit on them with both feet flat on the ground. The cranks remain at optimum length too. With these bicycles there is no tippy-toeing or having one foot on the ground and the other needing to rest on the pedal.

These bicycles get plenty of attention from non-cyclists because the riding position looks (and is) so comfortable. The thing that puts people off is that they cost plenty of money.

Some of the models of the RANS Crankforward (that is the term the designer coined for these) bicycles are high performance oriented, weighing less than twenty pounds with high end parts.

These do represent coolness to non-cyclists. They look different and approachable. Non-cyclists feel they can ride something like them. They don't have those tiny seats. They have big pans that support the whole bottom end.

I've read the stories of several recumbent riders who tried these bicycles and then sold their recumbents. All of them found this design far more comfortable than conventionally designed bicycles and much easier to use than their recumbents. Some felt they were just as comfortable as their recumbents but not quite as fast. These give greater control than recumbents and are more convenient to use for shorter trips.

As soon as RANS figures a way to make them with full suspensions then I'm getting one.

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As far as promoting cycling... I just talk about it. When people comment on my bike, or on my riding someplace, I just talk about how fun it is, and how good it is for you... I've gotten a few people over here onto the forums to check it out.
I started bicycle commuting when I saw a colleague doing it. It looked like a lot of fun, do-able for most of the year and a great way to save a few dollars. Not to mention the environmental aspect of it.

I guess I ran into someone like you and was sold on it. So... keep it up!!
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Do the electra bikes fit the bill? They're "flatfoot", cool designs and not very expensive.
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I hope this is not considered derailing this thread.
People need to study candidates in the upcoming elections stances on this
stuff carefully. Huckabee was in Fl and his vision is adding to the road system, I-95
in particular. This is all the more disturbing if you actually suffer FL. or any I-95
corridor state area. No matter what we and great new forward thinkers like
SWOBO and Masi et al try to do, as long as 'the system' is this out-of-touch and
thinks this archaically we will never win.
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I hope this is not considered derailing this thread.
People need to study candidates in the upcoming elections stances on this
stuff carefully. Huckabee was in Fl and his vision is adding to the road system, I-95
in particular. This is all the more disturbing if you actually suffer FL. or any I-95
corridor state area. No matter what we and great new forward thinkers like
SWOBO and Masi et al try to do, as long as 'the system' is this out-of-touch and
thinks this archaically we will never win.
I agree. The idea that "just ride your bike and set a good example" will greatly change society is a little naive, IMO. Not to put it down--your example might change the way one or two people operate, and that's better than nothing. But it won't make a difference in the big picture. It takes more than an example to persuade a lot of people to change their lives.

Huckabee is a schmuck. But he's pretty clever to tap into the issue of congestion. It's something that affects a lot of lives, but politicians almost never talk about it. I wish Huckabee would do more research into the solution, but at least he's talking about the problem.

The only politician I know of who mentions bikes as part of the solution is Penalosa.
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I am now retired and love to ride my bikes.. As the gs prices have risen I put baskets on a couple of them with the intension of using them for shopping... Much to my dismay I have discoverd that at least around this area there is no place to park a bike.. I end up having to look for sign with a metal post in the parking lot to chain it too... Some stores do have these little hoops about a foot hight that are for bikes and they may work for small kids bikes but don't seem to be much good for a full size bike... Too me this is absurd.. All thes talk about global warming etc, high fuel prices etc and we don't even have decent bike racks... What good is a nice functional bike if you can't safely park the thing to do your errands... IMHO requireing a decent bike rack at all business places would go a long way towards getting people to use there bikes...
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I am now retired and love to ride my bikes.. As the gs prices have risen I put baskets on a couple of them with the intension of using them for shopping... Much to my dismay I have discoverd that at least around this area there is no place to park a bike.. I end up having to look for sign with a metal post in the parking lot to chain it too... Some stores do have these little hoops about a foot hight that are for bikes and they may work for small kids bikes but don't seem to be much good for a full size bike... Too me this is absurd.. All thes talk about global warming etc, high fuel prices etc and we don't even have decent bike racks... What good is a nice functional bike if you can't safely park the thing to do your errands... IMHO requireing a decent bike rack at all business places would go a long way towards getting people to use there bikes...
That is inspirational Tourister!

Personally, racks are nice but not necessary. I have no problem locking to a sign post, railing, tree or even sewer grate. They do show that a retailer cares about us cyclists.
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First thing they can do to make biking "cooler" is redesigning the bike helmet from the ground up. Nothing in recreational sports is more dorky looking than a bike helmet. And with many counties requiring a helmet to ride, there needs to be better choices out there.

Second is to hook them while they are young. Lots of schools actually ban bikes on their property because they are worried about the safety of the kids riding to school. If local schools thought outside the box (hate that saying) by creating escorted bike pools or demanded better biking lanes around their schools, etc. more people would create a habit of riding their bikes.

Third is to pay people to ride their bikes. I've seen plenty of employers that offer free bus passes for their workers, but how many offer paid incentives if they choose to ride their bike instead of taking the bus? They also need to group riders together. People feel safety in numbers. Someone who might not ride to work by themselves may be more apt to ride if they are with five other people.

However, what will really happen is eventually gas will become too expensive for people to drive everywhere. Then we'll have to worry about too damn many people on the MUP rather than on the highway.
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Interesting points, bizz111.

As for the helmets, maybe it would be better to just quit with the helmets all together. Stressing helmets might make people think that cycling is too risky to enjoy. People engage in much riskier behavior without donning a helmet. Like driving a car, for example.
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Interesting points, bizz111.

As for the helmets, maybe it would be better to just quit with the helmets all together. Stressing helmets might make people think that cycling is too risky to enjoy. People engage in much riskier behavior without donning a helmet. Like driving a car, for example.
It is true that helmets perpetuate the myth of bikes being dangerous, but they are still nice sometimes.

I've seen groups stressing helmets as stylish, without a re-design...that seems like the easiest way to get folks not to be afraid to wear one. After all, big sunglasses look dorky too, but people love those.
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Second is to hook them while they are young. Lots of schools actually ban bikes on their property because they are worried about the safety of the kids riding to school. If local schools thought outside the box (hate that saying) by creating escorted bike pools or demanded better biking lanes around their schools, etc. more people would create a habit of riding their bikes.

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My plan after college is to work for city parks / public schools to institute a program that would basically rival driver's ed... I think that's a good idea for a lot of areas, because the education institution/system pushes kids into cars, and we shouldn't tolerate that bias.
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