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    Cars=Economy in media?

    I don't watch enough TV to be able to test this, but it's something I notice sometimes and want to see if other people see it coming up..

    TV announcer: "...Rise in oil prices are expected to have negative effects on the economy.." *cut to stock footage of a freeway at rush hour*

    later, in a discussion of something else, *sudden cut to stock footage of cars on a freeway* "The economy.."

    Keep an eye out and see if that correlation has been coming up for you? It seems like for some reason, television producers equate the economy and cars, and is subtly slipping that point into everything.

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    yep: frustrated people wasting time, money, and resources. That's the economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeZero View Post
    "...Rise in oil prices are expected to have negative effects on the economy..."
    As all goods travel from extraction to production to store, they make all or part of the trip by truck. Oil prices affect shipping costs directly.

    Those costs must either be passed on to the consumer or cause reduced profits.

    If they are passed on to the consumer, he will be unable to buy as many things.

    If profits are squeezed by either the producer, the manufacturer, the shipper, or the retailer, they will have less capital to spend and more growth opportunities will be passed by.

    The cost of energy has an impact on everyone's bottom line.
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    Yes, I know, but that isn't what they SAY. They say "Economy" and show pictures of SOV commuter cars; they show SOV car drivers and they say "Economy". I'd understand if they said "Economy" and showed pictures of semi trucks, but they DON'T, they show commuters filling the tanks of their cars.

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    Lately when they start talking about the economy, I'm seeing footage of McMansions with big yellow Foreclosure signs on them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeZero View Post
    Yes, I know, but that isn't what they SAY. They say "Economy" and show pictures of SOV commuter cars; they show SOV car drivers and they say "Economy". I'd understand if they said "Economy" and showed pictures of semi trucks, but they DON'T, they show commuters filling the tanks of their cars.
    Okay, so... What kind of meaning are you deriving from this?

    It seems to me like they're showing footage of rush hour & gas fillups as a sort of scare tactic (TV media, unfortunately, does this for most of their news stories). They're not saying that a good economy means crawling rush hour traffic or going out to buy more gas.

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    Well why wouldn't you weave cars so tight into the economy/media
    Cheap oil means cheap oil for the military.
    Allows you to move a huge amount of people with little administration/overhead
    Provides a way to inflate other economies which become dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheel View Post
    Well why wouldn't you weave cars so tight into the economy/media
    Cheap oil means cheap oil for the military....
    Cheap oil means, for example, cheaper bread at the grocery store because it costs the supplier less money to deliver it to the store, less money for the breadmaker to produce it, less overhead costs for the store (lower heating/electric bills), etc etc.

    No reason to ***** about the military.

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    The media just likes to scare everyone and feel dependent on the crap they report- like we aren't
    going to make it through the week without them.

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    I have no clue on what the news media does....I don't watch television news casts, pretty big waste of time IMHO and they usually don't present all of the pertinent facts, just what they want you to think. I still read the daily paper and then follow up with additional research to get the whole story.

    But yes the economy is tied to the cost of fuel, among many other things.

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    I believe the message wasn't that the economy equals driving but rather that that the economy equates largely to people going to work. I know we'd all prefer to see stock footage of people cycling to work but the reality is that most people drive to work, hence the graphic was mostly accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    Cheap oil means, for example, cheaper bread at the grocery store because it costs the supplier less money to deliver it to the store, less money for the breadmaker to produce it, less overhead costs for the store (lower heating/electric bills), etc etc.

    No reason to ***** about the military.
    Just ask Churchill (England was able to survive because he secured cheap energy from the US) or Hitler (Germany failed in part because he couldn't find cheap energy). An army used to travel on it's stomach, but now it's more about diesel and jet fuel.

    People who are concerned with energy policy realize that the price of energy has an enormous impact on a nation's military power. To some planners, it's worth going to war to ensure that the military can remain mobile at an affordable cost. A big portion of our tax dollars support the army's ability to fuel up tanks and bombers. It might even be something to ***** about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Just ask Churchill (England was able to survive because he secured cheap energy from the US) or Hitler (Germany failed in part because he couldn't find cheap energy). An army used to travel on it's stomach, but now it's more about diesel and jet fuel.

    People who are concerned with energy policy realize that the price of energy has an enormous impact on a nation's military power. To some planners, it's worth going to war to ensure that the military can remain mobile at an affordable cost. A big portion of our tax dollars support the army's ability to fuel up tanks and bombers. It might even be something to ***** about.
    Roody, you forgot that our mobile military with tanks and bombers got its butt kicked by a small poor nation without many tanks or bombers. They transpsorted a lot of stuff by bike especially after we targeted their fuel depos. I hope that some of our military planners are thinking about how to defend the country without cheap fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeZero View Post
    I don't watch enough TV to be able to test this, but it's something I notice sometimes and want to see if other people see it coming up..

    TV announcer: "...Rise in oil prices are expected to have negative effects on the economy.." *cut to stock footage of a freeway at rush hour*

    later, in a discussion of something else, *sudden cut to stock footage of cars on a freeway* "The economy.."

    Keep an eye out and see if that correlation has been coming up for you? It seems like for some reason, television producers equate the economy and cars, and is subtly slipping that point into everything.
    They use any repetitive image which works to hypnotize the viewer. It's a general problem with television news, and probably the reason why so many TV News watchers can watch so many hours of news and still have no clue what's happening in the world.
    My favorite is when there's a big event and they get 5 seconds of footage. They then repeat it 50 times while they talk about it (they being pundits, a.k.a. journalists pretending to know something about the topic at hand).

    Maybe they've gotten lazy about "the economy" so they just show traffic. It's probably supposed to make you feel negative about the economy. The dying economy does seem to be a boom for television news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    Roody, you forgot that our mobile military with tanks and bombers got its butt kicked by a small poor nation without many tanks or bombers. They transpsorted a lot of stuff by bike especially after we targeted their fuel depos. I hope that some of our military planners are thinking about how to defend the country without cheap fuel.
    I doubt it. They're probably thinking about where we can get us some cheap fuel. But I bet military planners have a clearer idea of what the country will be doing for energy over the next few years than civilian policy planners do. We've been involved in a very stirring primary election process, but the candidates, media and public are barely even talking about energy policy. They talk around it--Iraq, Iran, the economy--but they barely talk about energy, the core issue that drives many of the other issues.

    BTW, I think Vietnam was probably the last war we'll fight for a long time that isn't about natural resources.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    BTW, I think Vietnam was probably the last war we'll fight for a long time that isn't about natural resources.
    LOL I think you may be on the money there... kinda sad we won't be fighting wars for "ideals" anymore, eh? Ideals get sidelined when commodities get expensive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acroy View Post
    LOL I think you may be on the money there... kinda sad we won't be fighting wars for "ideals" anymore, eh? Ideals get sidelined when commodities get expensive!
    I suppose both Iraq wars were partly about ideals--rescuing Kuwait and regime change; but a large part, as far as I can tell, was about oil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
    Cheap oil means, for example, cheaper bread at the grocery store because it costs the supplier less money to deliver it to the store, less money for the breadmaker to produce it, less overhead costs for the store (lower heating/electric bills), etc etc.
    Bread prices will not decrease if oil prices drop, the breadmaker's profits will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    BTW, I think Vietnam was probably the last war we'll fight for a long time that isn't about natural resources.
    President Eisenhower in his memoir "Mandate for Change- the white house years" wrote that getting involved in IndoChina was about "tin, rubber and rice" in addition to preventing the Vietnamese from holding nationwide elections as outlined in the Geneva agreement. It wasn't just about suppressing Vietnamese democracy, there was an economic motive that got lost in all the anticommunist hype of the '60s. I'm still impressed when I see photos of the long lines of cargo bikes being pushed along through the hills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    President Eisenhower in his memoir "Mandate for Change- the white house years" wrote that getting involved in IndoChina was about "tin, rubber and rice" in addition to preventing the Vietnamese from holding nationwide elections as outlined in the Geneva agreement. It wasn't just about suppressing Vietnamese democracy, there was an economic motive that got lost in all the anticommunist hype of the '60s. I'm still impressed when I see photos of the long lines of cargo bikes being pushed along through the hills.
    The scary thing is that in a so-called democracy, we have no idea of the real reasons that any war is fought "on our behalf."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    The scary thing is that in a so-called democracy, we have no idea of the real reasons that any war is fought "on our behalf."
    I believe the majority of wars fought recently have their "official" explanations, which always border on an insult to intelligence, and the real reason. The latter is normally self-evident for anyone who is willing to do a little better investigation than what you see on the CBS Evening news.

    What is recently scary -- or maybe tragic -- is the number of people (including pundits and experts...) who apparently swallow the "official" version.

    Most times, I am reminded of the parable about the Emperor's new clothes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    I believe the majority of wars fought recently have their "official" explanations, which always border on an insult to intelligence, and the real reason. The latter is normally self-evident for anyone who is willing to do a little better investigation than what you see on the CBS Evening news.

    What is recently scary -- or maybe tragic -- is the number of people (including pundits and experts...) who apparently swallow the "official" version.

    Most times, I am reminded of the parable about the Emperor's new clothes.
    I think you may be mistaken that this only applies to wars fought recently. Of course, a lot of the less honorable sides to long-gone wars may be completely forgotten, but not all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    The scary thing is that in a so-called democracy, we have no idea of the real reasons that any war is fought "on our behalf."

    Here's link to a great BBC special on the rise of the Right Wing / Christian Conservatism / Neocons at the same time as Islamic Fundamentalism. Makes the reasons kind of clear... or clouded, depending on how you look at it.

    This film explores the origins in the 1940s and 50s of Islamic Fundamentalism in the Middle East, and Neoconservatism in America, parallels between these movements, and their effect on the world today. From the introduction to Part 1:

    "Both [the Islamists and Neoconservatives] were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created today's nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post

    Most times, I am reminded of the parable about the Emperor's new clothes.

    and the golden rule... he who has the gold rules.
    except at some point this will really be energy... as energy is the currency of the universe.

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