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Old 03-03-08, 08:33 AM   #1
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What do you do with Panniers and seat at the grocery store?

I like to post my questions in the subject field. Now that I have a pannier a good saddle and lights on the bike...what do you all do when your for example in the grocery store? Do you haul your pannier and seatpost with you? Do you feel comfortable leaving your bike locked up outside? Any fear someone will swipe your stuff? I wish I could leave my bike un-locked and not have to worry about bike theft. I'll never understand the mentality of a thief.
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I leave the seat on the bike; if you're worried about it being stolen, replace the quick release with a regular bolt. As for the panniers, I bring them inside with me, and load them up at the register. (Mine have shoulder straps.)
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I use the folding wald baskets on my grocery getter and have the reusable shopping bags. Seat is held on with a regular clamp. Helmet gets the cable or u-lock threaded thru one of the straps and stays with the bike.

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I fill the panniers in the store, I put them in the shopping cart. One set has shoulder straps so I can go that route too. Bolt on seats. I never understood quick release seats. I notice some people around here lock their seats with a cable. I just hang the helmet from the handle bars. Who would take my sweaty old scratched up helmet? I need a new one anyway.
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gwd,

what type of pannier do you have? Can you haul around milk and orange juice?
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Most bike thieves are repelled by dorky, and there's nothing more dorky than grocery panniers.

I leave them on the bike while I shop which creates a dorkiness-powered repulsion zone around my bike. (I also find it difficult to mount loaded panniers on the bike, what with the fussing with straps and hooks while trying to keep the bike from falling over.)

As for the saddle, I never had a problem with a QR, but I also feel safer with a bolt-on.
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Ortlieb is the type with the shoulder straps. Of course milk and orange juice fit in most panniers don't they? Why would you have panniers that are so small you can't carry anything? Actually, I rarely use the shoulder straps on shopping trips, I put the panniers in the grocery cart. I use the shoulder straps if I'm bike camping and the place I hang the hammock is far from the place I stash the bike- like up a steep cliff or through thick brush. Something like that.
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I wish I could leave my bike un-locked and not have to worry about bike theft.
What's so different about locking bikes as opposed to locking cars (or houses or businesses)? It's just something you do. I'd be willing to wager that all the cars in the lot at my grocery store are locked.
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What's so different about locking bikes as opposed to locking cars (or houses or businesses)? It's just something you do. I'd be willing to wager that all the cars in the lot at my grocery store are locked.
Dunno, we had two stolen from in front of my local grocery store last week...they left the keys in them with the engine running

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Dunno, we had two stolen from in front of my local grocery store last week...they left the keys in them with the engine running
My point exactly. An unlocked bike is like a car with the engine running. Either one will be gone in a similar amount of time.

I have two standard responses when some one tells me nobody is going to steal my bike:

1) It's not "nobody" I'm worried about. It's "somebody".
2) Is your car locked? Have the keys? Set the alarm? If nobody's going to steal it, why did you do that?
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My comfy saddle is a $1 beater from my LBS. I don't think anyone's going to steal it, so it stays on the bike. If someone is that desperate, I have a spare hiding in my closet. I'd *like* a Brooks or some other expensive saddle, but it's not worth springing for one if I'd worry about it all the time. The beater is fine for up to 20 miles (maybe more, haven't gone further yet), and it's put in good miles for the money *g*.

My panniers are cheap Axiom panniers (*really* cheap... the plan is use the hell out of them, then replace with something more suitable once I know what really is more suitable). They *can* hold 1 gallon containers, but I prefer to get milk at the grocery store in the back yard. If someone wants to steal $45/pair panniers that have been beaten to hell for 9 months, they're welcome to them. Mostly I don't leave them on for groceries tho. I'd rather load them properly inside. When I do grocery loading outside, I don't always get the load balanced as well as I prefer. They do tend to stay outside for library runs tho.

The LBS also speaks highly of Wald baskets in both the folding and non-folding versions. If you need something that is sturdy and won't walk away with a thief, they seem to be a very good choice. I wasn't sure that I needed something that sturdy, so I went with a rack and panniers. The more I ride, the more a front basket appeals, so my next bike will likely get one. I like having the rack in back, so that will probably stay.
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My panniers are starting to fall apart... not surprising for $35 grocery panniers that have been on the bike for at LEAST 5,000 miles, and hauled around 200 loads of groceries from the store... And we're not talking little loads of groceries, here!

I pretty much leave EVERYTHING on my bike... lights, pump, panniers, saddle bag, etc. The only thing I've ever had taken was a head unit for my light when I parked too close to a food bank. Funny part was they left the battery pack and the charger (Charger was in the grocery pannier, right on top... full view)
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You never know. I went years without having anything stolen, then I lost a whole bike (locked) and within a month the front wheel of the replacement bike.
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Usually shop at a suburban Meijers between 3-6am. Bike rack is right in front of the windows. Transit metro panniers are always on the bike. Both wheels and seat are QR. I take my lights in with me; the helmet usually goes in the pannier while I'm shopping. The panniers easily hold a gallon of milk +$50 groceries. No problems yet but I'm sure my luck will fail eventually. Don't know if the my bikes dork factor or the highly visible bike rack have kept everything intact.

If I had to remove my seat and panniers or even wheels every time I lock up I probably wouldn't want to ride.
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I have my seat covered with a locking bolt. Those are nice, because you can also get them for the wheels and save having to bring along an extra cable or worry about the wheels.

As for the panniers, I used to take them inside, but now i'm using an Xtracycle and it isn't a convenience, I don't think the freeloaders are a big theft target but we'll see. Its been 2 months and they're untouched as of yet..
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I just happened to think about it...all of my grocery store bikes have bolt on hubs on them I usually use a heavy Krypto cable thru both wheels. I seldom spend more than 30 minutes in the store. On more than one occasion at the one store I shop the manager has insisted that I park the bike inside by his office

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My point exactly. An unlocked bike is like a car with the engine running. Either one will be gone in a similar amount of time.

I have two standard responses when some one tells me nobody is going to steal my bike:

1) It's not "nobody" I'm worried about. It's "somebody".
2) Is your car locked? Have the keys? Set the alarm? If nobody's going to steal it, why did you do that?
How about the fellows who say, "You don't have to lock the bike. I'll watch it for you." I've heard that one several times.
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How about the fellows who say, "You don't have to lock the bike. I'll watch it for you." I've heard that one several times.
I always ask them I can borrow their wallet to shop with

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I like to post my questions in the subject field. Now that I have a pannier a good saddle and lights on the bike...what do you all do when your for example in the grocery store? Do you haul your pannier and seatpost with you? Do you feel comfortable leaving your bike locked up outside? Any fear someone will swipe your stuff? I wish I could leave my bike un-locked and not have to worry about bike theft. I'll never understand the mentality of a thief.
One of my bikes has a deluxe saddle. I wrap my lock about the saddle's rails and down about the frame to some outdoor post to secure it all. Lucky, where I live theft is not that much of a problem. But, habits from elsewhere die hard. / One miserable thing that once happened to one in our group. While all were in the store, someone spat into a cycling buddies water bottle. / We were warned because a cycling friendly type saw it happen and waited around to tell us. I know notice the position of the water bottle before leaving the bike, just in case.
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I take the pannier in with me because I use that as my bags & get .5 cents off for each one. Doesn't seem like much but it doesn't cost me anything more to do & I need a bag anyway.

I just lock my bike outside but I took all the extras off my hybrid to do the shopping.
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When I go into a grocery store, I take the panniers off and inside with me - a) because they usually have stuff already in them I don't want people to steal, b) they are expensive enough to replace themselves, and c) to load with groceries!

I usually take the headlight inside with me and leave the taillight on the bike.

I have an ordinary saddle and seatpost so I don't bother with them. I think it would be too much hassle to take the seatpost out and inside for a quick trip. Either get a bolt or if you're still worried loop a cable lock through.

The grocery store I go to most often has the bike racks furthest away from the door possible so I often see bikes outside the front door locked only to themselves and knowing my neighbourhood I cringe knowing there is a high possibility of theft. I've seen some people lock the bicycle to something inside the doors, and others bring the bike around with them (a bit cumbersome I think!)

I'm wondering what to do with my trailer at the grocery store, its metal with a rubbermaid bin in the frame. I run a cable through the arm of the metal frame to prevent theft of the trailer itself. But sometimes I want to visit more than one store. Do I leave groceries from store a in the trailer while visiting store b? The lid is bungeed down to keep it from flapping while riding so it prevents casual looking. Obviously I wouldn't go shopping for electronics and then go grocery shopping. But I'm assuming nobody gonna steal my kitty litter while at store #2.
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I take my bike with me nearly everywhere I go: work, the grocery store, the pubs on Friday night (I drink, but not too much!), friends' houses, the park, etc. I have a moderately beat-up frame and rack with recently replaced shifters and gears, and QR on my seatpost and both wheels, and haven't had any problems yet. When I make a stop, I bring my lights and helmet with me. I always lock up with a higher-end U-lock, but I think the real reason it hasn't been stolen is because it looks like a beater (even though it really isn't). Why steal a scratched up 15 year old Hybrid when, with the same amount of effort, you can steal a bike worth hundreds, or even thousands, more?
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What's so different about locking bikes as opposed to locking cars (or houses or businesses)? It's just something you do. I'd be willing to wager that all the cars in the lot at my grocery store are locked.
True. Trouble is those heavy beasts stay in the door and you carry the light little key. On a bike you have to lug the whole thing around, or leave a lock at every rack you frequent. My cutter resistant chain weighs in at about 12 lbs.
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While all were in the store, someone spat into a cycling buddies water bottle.
Geez... What a world.
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