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    what do ya wanna bet.........

    this little nit wit goes to the gym and hops on the treatmill but yet pees her pants over the fact that gas is so high she must walk 1.1 mile to work after riding on public transport.....

    *****Patricia Brown had never commuted via public transportation until about a year ago, when gas prices hit $3. Now Brown spends one hour and 45 minutes every day on a bus and train, plus another 17 minutes (yes, she’s timed it) walking 1.1 miles from the station to her office.***

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    She seems pretty level-headed to me. The article continues:

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    Brown, who lives in Glen Carbon, Ill., said her commute used to take anywhere from 45 minutes to over two hours depending on traffic, and giving up her car has meant sacrificing time at the gym and night classes. But on the plus side, Brown said she’s happy to leave the driving to someone else when the weather gets nasty, while she knits or crochets. The cost savings also have allowed the 63-year-old to stay on financial track.

    “I can save more money for my retirement,” she said.

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    Well... in the article's defense, she doesn't seem like she's complaining ..

    But on the plus side, Brown said she’s happy to leave the driving to someone else when the weather gets nasty, while she knits or crochets. The cost savings also have allowed the 63-year-old to stay on financial track.“I can save more money for my retirement,” she said.

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    I am having a tough time finding anything to criticize in the article. Why the pissy attitude by the OP.

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    She's doing good for 63. At that age she was at the gym and taking night classes. If she hadn't been in that good shape, she might not have had the spunk to lose her car. Lots of people that age feel trapped with their cars and have considered their education over. And she knows the financial benefits.

    Why do you call her a nitwit? Why do you assume that she's lost bladder control. It's a pretty mean-spirited post you laid out there TH.
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    Sounds like a perfect example of someone taking a quote out of context to try and prove a point. Unfortunately everyone actually clicked on the link and read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    She's doing good for 63. At that age she was at the gym and taking night classes.
    Interesting key word there -- she was going to the gym and taking night classes.

    She isn't anymore, not because of feeling old & tired, but because her journey takes too long and/or doesn't go where she needs it to go.

    Not only is she spending less on gas, but also, those two businesses have lost a client & student because, indirectly, of high gas prices.

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    At least she's not riding the car. Sounds like an improvement to me.
    Not too much to say here

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    I think the 1.1 mile 17 minute walk twice a day is a decent substitute for a gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    I think the 1.1 mile 17 minute walk twice a day is a decent substitute for a gym.

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    Yeah, true -- I suppose that when I think of "gym", I think of hour-long haze-fests.

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    I think more telling examples in the article are the ones where families are sacrificing all sorts of things in their daily lives just so they can keep driving. Our local newspaper ran a similar article, and one couple said they never go anywhere or do anything for fun anymore. During the week they work, and on the weekends they stay in the house because they can't afford any unnecessary gasoline. It's disturbing how helpless many Americans are without cars. What happens when they can't afford to drive to work? Will they just sit at home and starve to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    I think more telling examples in the article are the ones where families are sacrificing all sorts of things in their daily lives just so they can keep driving. Our local newspaper ran a similar article, and one couple said they never go anywhere or do anything for fun anymore. During the week they work, and on the weekends they stay in the house because they can't afford any unnecessary gasoline. It's disturbing how helpless many Americans are without cars. What happens when they can't afford to drive to work? Will they just sit at home and starve to death?
    Yep...and then blame the government for not helping them out. FWIW I would RATHER stay home than work at my "real job" I have plenty to do around here...get the gardens ready, get the chicken coop finished, take a bike ride, work on my bikes...and that doesn't include the honey do list

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    I think the 1.1 mile 17 minute walk twice a day is a decent substitute for a gym.

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    Damn good time for a 63 year old--or a 23 year old.

    I wonder if she ever thought about getting a bike. She could probably do that trip in less than 5 minutes. Of course, it would be less exercise so maybe she doesn't want to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Damn good time for a 63 year old--or a 23 year old.

    I wonder if she ever thought about getting a bike. She could probably do that trip in less than 5 minutes. Of course, it would be less exercise so maybe she doesn't want to.
    But it might also mean that she'd be able to do her gym and her classes as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    But it might also mean that she'd be able to do her gym and her classes as well.
    That's why I first got a bike several years ago. I was carfree but walking everywhere, enjoying the activity and the exercise, when it hit me like a heavenly light shining on the road: "Bicycle! I would already be there if I had a bicycle!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    That's why I first got a bike several years ago. I was carfree but walking everywhere, enjoying the activity and the exercise, when it hit me like a heavenly light shining on the road: "Bicycle! I would already be there if I had a bicycle!"

    Yes, walking is great exercise, good for you and the environment, but it's not fast!

    Riding a bike is the perfect balance--still excellent exercise, still good for you and the environment, but a whole lot faster getting there .

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    I feel sorry for these people who have public transit systems that are fussy about whether/when you bring bikes on. IMO, a bike can overcome the shortfalls of many systems in this country and turn a ridiculously long commute into something more reasonable. It would also have the potential to increase ridership.

    It's too bad these public transit authorities don't see it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnamb View Post
    I feel sorry for these people who have public transit systems that are fussy about whether/when you bring bikes on. IMO, a bike can overcome the shortfalls of many systems in this country and turn a ridiculously long commute into something more reasonable. It would also have the potential to increase ridership.

    It's too bad these public transit authorities don't see it that way.
    Well, on the other hand, bikes take up space that would be otherwise occupied by more paying riders.

    Of course, that's not as much of a problem when transit isn't running at high capacities, and can often be negated by cyclists using small folding bikes. But there are times when I have to jostle for a place to put my two feet without getting complaints of harassment from other transit riders -- and, obviously, a regular bike would be a royal pain for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Damn good time for a 63 year old--or a 23 year old.

    I wonder if she ever thought about getting a bike. She could probably do that trip in less than 5 minutes. Of course, it would be less exercise so maybe she doesn't want to.
    Very good for a 63 year old in the US. I ran into an older (than me...) man yesterday at the grocery store. He was riding a bike and stopped to ask me about my hi-viz jacket. We got to talking and he explained that he had lost his license and that he was now 80 years old. His health was pretty good, he said, but he was a little concerned about the advisability of biking at his age. He seemed a little depressed about it all, but I reminded him that most people in their 40s couldn't do what he was doing. Reason to be proud!

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    I am back in my home away from home...N Charleston, SC and the lower income people down here GET IT! All of the CARTA buses appear to have front bike racks. And most of the time when I see them rolling past my new motel they have full racks! I am in the market for a folder (Brommie by the end of the summer, if not earlier) and will hit the buses and the Amtrak...HARD! I think that more and more as fuel prices rise, the mass transit people will be forced to go along with bikes on board, somehow, someway, somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterJ View Post
    I am having a tough time finding anything to criticize in the article. Why the pissy attitude by the OP.
    How about this:

    “I’m not a proponent of driving around in a hybrid or one of those cars that gets 30 or 40 miles to the gallon,” Barcusky said. “That, unfortunately, is not a choice I can make with a family of five.”
    A Toyota Prius has plenty of room. So what if the kids don't have all the room in the world in the backseat? This is just one more example of the typical American's ridiculous belief that everything has to be too big. The kids should have been taught well enough to realize that having a car at all is, by any account from any age other than our own, an icredible luxury possible because of and only because of the availability of cheap fossil fuels. My country is full of a bunch of pampered babies. When the US finally realizes that we can't keep pretending that natural limits don't exist, a whole new world of choices that "couldn't" be made suddenly will be made.

    Of course I've been hastening to add to my rants of this kind lately that at least an equal share of the blame should be placed on those responsible for building the absurdly car-dependent infrastructure we have now in the first place. When I go to a plaza of stores (perhaps ironically to renew the license plates of my Prius) that includes a bike shop and that has a great deal of high-density housing across the street and there still isn't a single place to lock a bicycle except for to the water meter in the back of the building, it becomes just a little more clear just why everyone is car-crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmcrawford111 View Post
    My country is full of a bunch of pampered babies.
    As also evidenced by the first quote in the article, which says, "We eventually hope to get another [sedan], but that’s a huge sacrifice for us," after finally getting rid of their SUV.

    That's a mother of two kids. TWO. What the hell? We were a family of four, two parents and two kids and a dog, and used a single sedan for quite a few years. We did get a "wagon" at one point -- an '84 Honda Civic 5-door.

    Bah. When people whine about how they have to "sacrifice" their SUV, I just shake my head and think, "You should've thought of this sooner."

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    We've already made a lot of the adjustments that others are just starting to make. So, even though we have our fun here on the Carfree forum, most of us probably feel a little sorry for the motorists that we know in real life. But it is a little hard to sympathize with these guys (from the article):

    <The couple also has given up on day trips into the mountains, and they are considering trading in their Chrysler van for a more fuel-efficient vehicle. But while Dolce does use a scooter to get around town sometimes, he said he hasn’t been able to let go of the Porsche Boxster he bought with an inheritance a couple years ago.“We’re hoping it’s going to only be (for) the short-term,” he said of the couple’s budgeting.>


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    We've already made a lot of the adjustments that others are just starting to make. So, even though we have our fun here on the Carfree forum, most of us probably feel a little sorry for the motorists that we know in real life.
    According to the article..."Prices at the pump have been pushed to levels many couldn't conceive of even a year ago, and analysts and the Energy Department are both expecting the cost of gas to rise even further this spring and summer."

    Sad but true. Most people don't have the ability to think much unless goaded to it by media. Then they don't think so much as react as told. Years ago, I had a Chevy Nova. While it was fairly fast and fun, it was thirsty. I knew that I could never afford to run it if gas prices soared up to 2-3$ a gallon, so it went onto eBay.

    And perhaps we are still leading the way as we continue to grow and change. I'm buying a Bikes to Work trailer that probably can carry more than the Nova did. How long before bicycles with trailers become common?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    <“We’re hoping it’s going to only be (for) the short-term,” he said of the couple’s budgeting.>
    There's another thing I find puzzling. Many people seem to think that gas is going to drop back down to levels they feel are reasonable. Only once in my lifetime can I remember gas dropping a significant amount and staying there for more than a few weeks. It pretty much always works like this:

    -Gas reaches $3.19-

    Average American: "Oh no, when will it end?!?!"

    -Gas drops to $3.09-

    Average American: "Whew, now that's more like it!"

    -Gas reaches $3.29-

    Average American: "Oh no, when will it end?!?!"

    -Gas drops to $3.19-

    Average American: "Whew, now that's more like it!"

    This is how it's been for years and years, and yet people still think gas will go down eventually. I don't understand that.

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