Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    gwd
    gwd is offline
    Biker gwd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    DC
    My Bikes
    one Recumbent and one Utility Bike
    Posts
    1,917
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Car Free Saviours

    I was remembering that after the 9/11 attacks the president told us that the way to fight terrorists was to go max out our credit cards buying useless stuff made in China. Remember what a paranoid time it was with secret military tribunals and loss of rights? I remember feeling like I was helping the terrorists by not going into debt and not driving a hummer with an American flag on it. But now with the credit crisis what if another terrorist attack occurs? If going shopping is the best way to fight terrorists who is left to get into debt anymore? Just the un-American people who didn't go into debt the first time around. We frugal car free and debt free folks might be the nations last best hope for fighting terrorism because we're the only ones left who can go out and buy a bunch of useless crap at the malls. We're like stealth patriots. I'm imagining President McCain calling on the car-free debt-free to go shopping for a new car because if we don't "the terrorists win".

  2. #2
    Senior Member Mr York's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    197
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    http://www.populistamerica.com/the_d...can_debate?rta

    snippet:
    ""The purpose of Newspeak," wrote George Orwell in 1984, "was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view... but to make all other modes of thought impossible." And truer words can hardly be applied to modern America's state of politics. Issues and ideas are instantly polarized into Right and Left camps with no room or stomach for those who don't fit the neat boxes ascribed. Cards are virtually handed out for easy access to stilted political brotherhoods - so-called liberals and conservatives alike. And the public is tagged, herded, penned in, and told which way to march to the slaughterhouse for free thinking and independent ideas."

  3. #3
    tired donnamb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Portland, OR
    My Bikes
    Breezer Uptown 8, U frame
    Posts
    5,660
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Whenever some whackjob goes off about cyclists, I respond with an equally whacky retort (maybe not so whacky): "Patriots pedal, traitors drive" or "Every time you fill up that gas tank, al-Qaida smiles". People tend to not know what to say to me at that point, and so they crawl away.
    "Real wars of words are harder to win. They require thought, insight, precision, articulation, knowledge, and experience. They require the humility to admit when you are wrong. They recognize that the dialectic is not about making us look at you, but about us all looking together for the truth."

  4. #4
    bragi bragi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    seattle, WA
    My Bikes
    LHT
    Posts
    2,817
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    I was remembering that after the 9/11 attacks the president told us that the way to fight terrorists was to go max out our credit cards buying useless stuff made in China. Remember what a paranoid time it was with secret military tribunals and loss of rights? I remember feeling like I was helping the terrorists by not going into debt and not driving a hummer with an American flag on it. But now with the credit crisis what if another terrorist attack occurs? If going shopping is the best way to fight terrorists who is left to get into debt anymore? Just the un-American people who didn't go into debt the first time around. We frugal car free and debt free folks might be the nations last best hope for fighting terrorism because we're the only ones left who can go out and buy a bunch of useless crap at the malls. We're like stealth patriots. I'm imagining President McCain calling on the car-free debt-free to go shopping for a new car because if we don't "the terrorists win".
    At this point, I think even right-leaning people can agree: if GWB suggests it, do the opposite, and the republic will be better for it. His administration is the best thing that ever happened to Al Queada. (sp)

    As for credit cards, if you can afford to pay off your balance every month, go ahead, use them. (They increase your credit score, only God knows how that came to be.) A better idea, though, is this: aside from your house and a college education, if you have to go into debt to buy something, you probably shouldn't buy it. We owe the Chinese a f***load of money right now because their people understand this simple fact, and many of us don't.
    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

  5. #5
    Banned Bikepacker67's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Ogopogo's shoreline
    My Bikes
    LHT, Kona Smoke
    Posts
    4,063
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    From a practical standpoint, the most patriotic action is that which reduces our dependence on countries that are apathetic (at best) to our long term survival.

    Afterall, nearly half of our trade deficit is caused by Texasanistan Tea.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    6,122
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    I'm imagining President McCain calling on the car-free debt-free to go shopping for a new car because if we don't "the terrorists win".
    I think the opposite will happen. President McCain will call for the rounding up of the car-free debt-free non shoppers because by not participating in the economy, were're just as bad as the terrorist!

  7. #7
    Pedaled too far. Artkansas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    La Petite Roche
    Posts
    12,188
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The most subversive things I have done since this in(s)ane war began are to be car-free and eliminate my debts. I just wish more people in the pro-peace movement could give up their cars and trucks. But I'm the only one who shows up for protests by riding their bike.
    "He who serves all, best serves himself" Jack London

    Quote Originally Posted by Bjforrestal View Post
    I don't care if you are on a unicycle, as long as you're not using a motor to get places you get props from me. We're here to support each other. Share ideas, and motivate one another to actually keep doing it.

  8. #8
    not a role model JeffS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    4,644
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by bragi View Post
    aside from your house and a college education, if you have to go into debt to buy something, you probably shouldn't buy it.

    I'm not 100% sure that's correct anymore. With the cost of tuition, and the average wages being made by someone with a general degree it's becoming less and less true. To be clear, I'm not referring to the people who are smart enough to graduate with a specialty.

    The average Joe coming out feeling lucky to get the job making 30K... well, they would have been much better off going to a trade school for a year or two, pocketing the rest and likely starting with a higher salary.

    If/when the economy goes to crap they'll at least have a skill to rely on. The majority of the keyboard operators (whatever their real job title is) will be SOL.

    [edit] and I won't even get started on my rant about home ownership...

  9. #9
    On-On! Dr.PooLittle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    181
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    Remember what a paranoid time it was with secret military tribunals and loss of rights?
    It's actually tough to forget things that are still going on. . .
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    SoCal
    My Bikes
    Trek7300, GT Palomar
    Posts
    271
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The average Joe coming out feeling lucky to get the job making 30K... well, they would have been much better off going to a trade school for a year or two, pocketing the rest and likely starting with a higher salary.
    So true. The mad rush to get kids to just go to university for whatever reason and get whatever degree they can get through is so impulsive and misguided, imho. The majority of people would be better off hitting up community college or private trade school for a step by step approach to educating oneself and creating an earn while you learn opportunity with little to no debt.
    I love to commute and ride. Keeping a positive focus.

    http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt...UFk/weight.png

  11. #11
    Senior Member wahoonc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    On the road-USA
    My Bikes
    Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
    Posts
    16,063
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by hotwheels View Post
    So true. The mad rush to get kids to just go to university for whatever reason and get whatever degree they can get through is so impulsive and misguided, imho. The majority of people would be better off hitting up community college or private trade school for a step by step approach to educating oneself and creating an earn while you learn opportunity with little to no debt.
    A large part of this is brought on by the fallacy that you HAVE to have a college education to be "successful"...define successful...If it is owning an over sized crap built house 5 miles from everywhere with a large mortgage, 3 car garage full of unpaid for vehicles, etc etc...No Thanks! When I was in high school, if you weren't going to college the guidance counselors basically didn't have the time for you. Unfortunately in this country good apprenticeship programs are few and far between.

    Aaron
    Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

    ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

    "Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
    RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
    _Nicodemus

    "Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred
    Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
    _krazygluon

  12. #12
    gwd
    gwd is offline
    Biker gwd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    DC
    My Bikes
    one Recumbent and one Utility Bike
    Posts
    1,917
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.PooLittle View Post
    It's actually tough to forget things that are still going on. . .
    It seems like many people have.

  13. #13
    gwd
    gwd is offline
    Biker gwd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    DC
    My Bikes
    one Recumbent and one Utility Bike
    Posts
    1,917
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    When I was in high school, if you weren't going to college the guidance counselors basically didn't have the time for you. Unfortunately in this country good apprenticeship programs are few and far between.

    Aaron
    The schools are judged by the percentage of kids who go on to college so there is huge pressure. I used to volunteer with a group that tried to steer "at risk" youth into the trades. When the group tried to get cooperation from the DC schools they were told to back off because talking to kids about learning a trade is demeaning- it implies they're too stupid for college. So the kids don't go to college and don't learn a trade either- unless they go through the criminal justice system. Well at least they haven't been disrespected by being offered a path to a high paying job. Thats the most important thing isn't it?

  14. #14
    Senior Member wahoonc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    On the road-USA
    My Bikes
    Giant Excursion, Raleigh Sports, Raleigh R.S.W. Compact, Motobecane? and about 20 more! OMG
    Posts
    16,063
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by gwd View Post
    The schools are judged by the percentage of kids who go on to college so there is huge pressure. I used to volunteer with a group that tried to steer "at risk" youth into the trades. When the group tried to get cooperation from the DC schools they were told to back off because talking to kids about learning a trade is demeaning- it implies they're too stupid for college. So the kids don't go to college and don't learn a trade either- unless they go through the criminal justice system. Well at least they haven't been disrespected by being offered a path to a high paying job. Thats the most important thing isn't it?
    Well they did LEARN a trade...just not a particularly sociably acceptable one

    Too many companies today are hung up on a person having a college degree. I found this out when the company I was working for went bankrupt. I applied for similar positions at similar companies, but because I didn't have that little piece of paper... Fortunately the company I work for now could care less. They hire and pay you based on your experience as well as your results with them. I have a COO that never graduated from college, but has the street smarts and has taken the time to learn the things he needed to get the job done. He started with this company 44 years ago as an apprentice and is now one of the majority owners, and isn't the first one and I am sure will not be the last. IMHO this country is too hung up on appearances and less on substance, one of the key things leading to our economic downfall.

    Aaron
    Webshots is bailing out, if you find any of my posts with corrupt picture files and want to see them corrected please let me know. :(

    ISO: A late 1980's Giant Iguana MTB frameset (or complete bike) 23" Red with yellow graphics.

    "Cycling should be a way of life, not a hobby.
    RIDE, YOU FOOL, RIDE!"
    _Nicodemus

    "Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
    Aluminum: barely a hundred
    Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"
    _krazygluon

  15. #15
    jim anchower jamesdenver's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,118
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Also now that the economic stimulis checks are almost here we have ads on radio/tv telling us all the great things we go go buy/finance with them.

    Thankfully I'm not that dependent that the money will be a major windfall - and mine will go straight to etrade.

  16. #16
    Sophomoric Member Roody's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Dancing in Lansing
    Posts
    20,326
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdenver View Post
    Also now that the economic stimulis checks are almost here we have ads on radio/tv telling us all the great things we go go buy/finance with them.

    Thankfully I'm not that dependent that the money will be a major windfall - and mine will go straight to etrade
    .
    My $600 is going straight on a (Chinese) bicycle. If I can't support our economy, at least I'll support a more sustainable lifestyle.

    Eventually the world is going to have to switch over to an economy that's based on sustainability and stability rather than one based on growth.


    "Think Outside the Cage"

  17. #17
    not a role model JeffS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Posts
    4,644
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Eventually the world is going to have to switch over to an economy that's based on sustainability and stability rather than one based on growth.
    The whole systems got to crash and burn before that could happen. Unless you expect the bankers to just willingly hand back the keys to the planet...

  18. #18
    Sophomoric Member Roody's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Dancing in Lansing
    Posts
    20,326
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
    The whole systems got to crash and burn before that could happen. Unless you expect the bankers to just willingly hand back the keys to the planet...
    I don't expect a peaceful transition, although I hope it's largely nonviolent.


    "Think Outside the Cage"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •