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05-02-08, 11:23 PM
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Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
(see a trend?
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05-02-08, 11:33 PM
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Every lane is a bike lane
I don't think that there is any discussion of peak oil in A&S, or at least I don't notice it. It's mostly about mirrors (how smart/stupid they are), bike lanes (how smart/stupid they are), stop signs (how smart/stupid they are), "other" cyclists (how smart/stupid they are)...
(see a trend? )
(see a trend?
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05-02-08, 11:36 PM
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Bike ≠ Car ≠ Ped.
05-02-08, 11:43 PM
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It pays sometimes to revisit the original premise for the forum (not that it's going to make much difference, I suppose):
Here is the new forum for car free living. Feel free to discuss your car free concerns here... but keep in mind, this is NOT the forum for discussion about multi-use paths, arguing about your problems with cars, SUV's etc. or to flame people who drive. It's the spot for people to discuss getting around without cars, utility trailers, living without the car, etc. Any topics that deviate beyond the spirit of the forum will be moved out into their proper forums.
Here is the new forum for car free living. Feel free to discuss your car free concerns here... but keep in mind, this is NOT the forum for discussion about multi-use paths, arguing about your problems with cars, SUV's etc. or to flame people who drive. It's the spot for people to discuss getting around without cars, utility trailers, living without the car, etc. Any topics that deviate beyond the spirit of the forum will be moved out into their proper forums.
05-03-08, 07:12 AM
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Why do some people whine soo much?
If you don't want to read a thread on a subject that doesn't interest you, DON'T.
Why would you think that a certain sub-forum should revolve around your particular likes and dislikes?
When I go to P&S, I'm not interested in certain posters' Muslim rants, but that doesn't mean I think that P&S sucks - just because every thread doesn't cater to me.
If you don't want to read a thread on a subject that doesn't interest you, DON'T.
Why would you think that a certain sub-forum should revolve around your particular likes and dislikes?
When I go to P&S, I'm not interested in certain posters' Muslim rants, but that doesn't mean I think that P&S sucks - just because every thread doesn't cater to me.
05-03-08, 08:46 AM
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P&S? Politics & Shortbread?
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05-03-08, 08:57 AM
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Actually I took the S to mean the latter portion of the word commonly abbreviated BS
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05-03-08, 08:59 AM
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Oh. Well, East Hill was beguiling some of the guys in there with her macadamia nut shortbread. She's quite the Siren, you know. 
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05-03-08, 09:03 AM
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05-03-08, 11:51 AM
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In the right lane
It pays sometimes to revisit the original premise for the forum (not that it's going to make much difference, I suppose):
Here is the new forum for car free living. Feel free to discuss your car free concerns here... but keep in mind, this is NOT the forum for discussion about multi-use paths, arguing about your problems with cars, SUV's etc. or to flame people who drive. It's the spot for people to discuss getting around without cars, utility trailers, living without the car, etc. Any topics that deviate beyond the spirit of the forum will be moved out into their proper forums.
Here is the new forum for car free living. Feel free to discuss your car free concerns here... but keep in mind, this is NOT the forum for discussion about multi-use paths, arguing about your problems with cars, SUV's etc. or to flame people who drive. It's the spot for people to discuss getting around without cars, utility trailers, living without the car, etc. Any topics that deviate beyond the spirit of the forum will be moved out into their proper forums.
Nevertheless, even if the link is tenuous, I think we should let the market rule. What I mean is, if enough people agree with you, they won't click on any Peak Oil topics and these will die a natural death. No need to make any administrative moves. No need to take any top-down, heavy-handed moves.
Wouldn't that work? Seems simple enough to me.
05-03-08, 12:06 PM
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I haven't been on this forum for a while....it has gotten kinda boring with all the oil talk and etc. I'm car-free but have a scooter. Its was nice in 07 when I made the switch to come here and read/post about things.
Lets get it back that way...hopefully getting more people to ditch their cages.
05-03-08, 01:42 PM
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https://www.bikeforums.net/utility-cycling/412613-anyone-want-my-extra-cycle-free-good-home.html
^^^
fordfasterr is giving away a homemade xtracycle in the lamented Utility forum. That's some real LCF spirit, and the thread is sadly ignored.
There is more than one forum here, you have to pay attention to a handful.
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fordfasterr is giving away a homemade xtracycle in the lamented Utility forum. That's some real LCF spirit, and the thread is sadly ignored.
There is more than one forum here, you have to pay attention to a handful.
05-03-08, 01:49 PM
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If we choose to discuss the changes from peak oil, could we at least include an element of hope? Could we at least show what can be done as a society or better still as individuals to cope with the changes?
If the future truly is as bleak as some peak oilers would suggest and if we are all doomed, then there's really no point discussing it.
05-03-08, 02:03 PM
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I'm gleefully anticipating the end of cheap oil, and car culture.
Also the Just-In-Time, shipped 1000's of miles, warehouse-on-wheels concept of Wally-world will also become less and less competitive, which will expand the niches of local producers.
Suburban sprawl will cease, and contract...
All these things sound like heaven on a platter to me!
05-03-08, 02:25 PM
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Who's bleak and hopeless?
I'm gleefully anticipating the end of cheap oil, and car culture.
Also the Just-In-Time, shipped 1000's of miles, warehouse-on-wheels concept of Wally-world will also become less and less competitive, which will expand the niches of local producers.
Suburban sprawl will cease, and contract...
All these things sound like heaven on a platter to me!
I'm gleefully anticipating the end of cheap oil, and car culture.
Also the Just-In-Time, shipped 1000's of miles, warehouse-on-wheels concept of Wally-world will also become less and less competitive, which will expand the niches of local producers.
Suburban sprawl will cease, and contract...
All these things sound like heaven on a platter to me!
There will be issues and dark days, but there should be plenty of bright spots too.
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Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?"_krazygluon
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05-03-08, 04:20 PM
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Not warm enough here for that today.
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05-03-08, 04:47 PM
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Indeed, why do some people whine so much about others having and expressing opinions? And why do they whine so much about Peak Oil? More to the point, why don't you take your own advice and pass over the threads or posts that don't interest you?
Do those who think it really matters believe that there won't be a substitute for the stuff that powers our cars? It might not be cheap, it might impact on our food costs and availability, and it might be reduced in quantity compared with oil, but for those of us who have modified our lifestyles to live with reduced oil consumption, it won't make that much difference.
If I (and you and everyone else) know that Peak Oil has come or passed, wouldn't it be a good idea to just move on and discussed what this forum is meant to be about... as the original poster suggested?
Do those who think it really matters believe that there won't be a substitute for the stuff that powers our cars? It might not be cheap, it might impact on our food costs and availability, and it might be reduced in quantity compared with oil, but for those of us who have modified our lifestyles to live with reduced oil consumption, it won't make that much difference.
If I (and you and everyone else) know that Peak Oil has come or passed, wouldn't it be a good idea to just move on and discussed what this forum is meant to be about... as the original poster suggested?
05-03-08, 04:54 PM
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Who's bleak and hopeless?
I'm gleefully anticipating the end of cheap oil, and car culture.
Also the Just-In-Time, shipped 1000's of miles, warehouse-on-wheels concept of Wally-world will also become less and less competitive, which will expand the niches of local producers.
Suburban sprawl will cease, and contract...
All these things sound like heaven on a platter to me!
I'm gleefully anticipating the end of cheap oil, and car culture.
Also the Just-In-Time, shipped 1000's of miles, warehouse-on-wheels concept of Wally-world will also become less and less competitive, which will expand the niches of local producers.
Suburban sprawl will cease, and contract...
All these things sound like heaven on a platter to me!
Why don't you just up and move to the wilds of Africa or maybe central Russia? There are many places in the world where your Utopia exists, and you will be able to prove your philosophical position beyond argument. You won't find it in North America at least in your lifetime.
05-03-08, 05:59 PM
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Ah, didn't read this post till later. You're a fundamentalist, in my view, who portrays himself as having lost touch with reality and that is why forums like this one disintegrate.
Why don't you just up and move to the wilds of Africa or maybe central Russia? There are many places in the world where your Utopia exists, and you will be able to prove your philosophical position beyond argument. You won't find it in North America at least in your lifetime.
Why don't you just up and move to the wilds of Africa or maybe central Russia? There are many places in the world where your Utopia exists, and you will be able to prove your philosophical position beyond argument. You won't find it in North America at least in your lifetime.
Aaah, more nit-picking & ankle-biting....
05-03-08, 06:05 PM
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I like this forum. It helped me to go car free for almost 3 years now. The doom and gloom threads have some good tidbits once in a while as well.
05-03-08, 06:51 PM
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Rowan, has it occurred to you that there is a very direct relationship between the phenomenon of living without a car and the concept of Peak Oil? I mean, if we run out of oil, I think LCF will have a lot more traffic.
Nevertheless, even if the link is tenuous, I think we should let the market rule. What I mean is, if enough people agree with you, they won't click on any Peak Oil topics and these will die a natural death. No need to make any administrative moves. No need to take any top-down, heavy-handed moves.
Wouldn't that work? Seems simple enough to me.
Nevertheless, even if the link is tenuous, I think we should let the market rule. What I mean is, if enough people agree with you, they won't click on any Peak Oil topics and these will die a natural death. No need to make any administrative moves. No need to take any top-down, heavy-handed moves.
Wouldn't that work? Seems simple enough to me.
If we lived by that philosophy we wouldn't have 30+ subforums on the site. We do though, implying that discussion should be limited to a defined subject.
Why this forum becomes the dumping ground for car-specific threads is beyond me. It seems only slightly less appropriate than the people who have to link every other gas-related news story they come across on the net.
