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    When gas hits three dollars a berrel

    Sorry, should have be $300/barrel
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    3$ a barrel and you'd buy donkeys? Makes no sense, really. How about 300$/barrel. More realistic and about 1 year away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scummer View Post
    3$ a barrel and you'd buy donkeys? Makes no sense, really. How about 300$/barrel. More realistic and about 1 year away.
    Sorry, my bad. Can't seem to type today.
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    I know you guys aren't celebrating high oil prices are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialized fan View Post
    I know you guys aren't celebrating high oil prices are you?
    What kind of jackass do you think I am? (Sorry, just could NOT pass up the joke. )
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    whoa somebodys been startin the drinking early today!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialized fan View Post
    I know you guys aren't celebrating high oil prices are you?
    I am. It's unfortunate that it took high gas prices to make people see reason but high gas prices have had a very beneficial effect on the SUV market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialized fan View Post
    I know you guys aren't celebrating high oil prices are you?
    Most people cannot understand why anyone would want gas prices to go up, as that makes everything cost more. But many here are willing to pay higher prices for everything if it causes America to change it's ways as a whole. When it comes to transportation, we're like a nation of children being led by more children. We have no adults telling us that eating nothing but candy will be bad for us, so we keep eating it because we like it, never thinking about what it will do to our bodies. If suddenly we can't have candy all the time, we whine and complain to no end, even though we'll be better off in the long run despite being uncomfortable in the mean time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialized fan View Post
    I know you guys aren't celebrating high oil prices are you?
    Sure should cut down on pollution.
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    Most people cannot understand why anyone would want gas prices to go up, as that makes everything cost more. But many here are willing to pay higher prices for everything if it causes America to change it's ways as a whole.
    But what about the unwealthy that are struggling to put food on the table because of increased expenses? Let them eat cake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gooch View Post
    But what about the unwealthy that are struggling to put food on the table because of increased expenses? Let them eat cake?

    Dave.
    The fact is that the price spike will have both good consequences and bad. Whether we think it's a good or bad thing, doesn't change the fact that we have to deal with it.

    We could always look at it positively. Even if we have to tighten out belts, we could look at it as a lesson learned. In fact, looking at it solely as a negative, will almost guarantee the experience will be a negative.

    What we need to do is look at it as an opportunity to learn something new.

    One of the lessons we should learn is that we can't take things for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gooch View Post
    But what about the unwealthy that are struggling to put food on the table because of increased expenses? Let them eat cake?

    Dave.
    Many people who are struggling the most are doing so because of incredibly dumb decisions they've made for themselves. Naturally there are others who struggle through no fault of their own, but that has been the case before and will always be the case. Some in this country will always have it more difficult than others no matter what the cost of gas. I make considerably less than most people I know, yet most of them are struggling and I am not. By most of the country's standards I shouldn't even be able to get by on what I make! It's not due to some ingenius planning or anything, I simply don't spend every dime I make on every gadget and toy that catches my eye, then wonder why I have no money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    Many people who are struggling the most are doing so because of incredibly dumb decisions they've made for themselves. Naturally there are others who struggle through no fault of their own, but that has been the case before and will always be the case. Some in this country will always have it more difficult than others no matter what the cost of gas. I make considerably less than most people I know, yet most of them are struggling and I am not. By most of the country's standards I shouldn't even be able to get by on what I make! It's not due to some ingenius planning or anything, I simply don't spend every dime I make on every gadget and toy that catches my eye, then wonder why I have no money.
    ^^^^The man has got it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gooch View Post
    But what about the unwealthy that are struggling to put food on the table because of increased expenses? Let them eat cake?

    Dave.
    I grew up in a 3rd world ***** hole of a ghetto in South America before we migrated to Australia (we wanted to migrate to the USA but they refused us). I've seen dumpsters behind fast food outlets half full of food that I wouldn't have even dreamt of when I was a kid, how anyone can claim to be 'suffering' in the USA or in Australia is beyond me.

    The end of the age of oil is here, its real, and you have no choice but to deal with it... or die. Some of us will thrive, some will struggle and get by, and some just won't make it. That's just the way it is.
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    Many people who are struggling the most are doing so because of incredibly dumb decisions they've made for themselves. Naturally there are others who struggle through no fault of their own, but that has been the case before and will always be the case. Some in this country will always have it more difficult than others no matter what the cost of gas. I make considerably less than most people I know, yet most of them are struggling and I am not. By most of the country's standards I shouldn't even be able to get by on what I make! It's not due to some ingenius planning or anything, I simply don't spend every dime I make on every gadget and toy that catches my eye, then wonder why I have no money.
    Right On! That's my idea on it too. How many "poor" in the US grow a garden? My grandparents were very poor, but ate very well! However, I'm just waiting for a government program to subsidise energy for the poor. We already do it with food. That would be the next step.

    I guess, I'm just puzzled by the giddiness of some over the high prices. It seems that two groups are really excited about high oil prices. The major producers (not the independents!) and anti-oil industry folks. They are both on the same side, but diametrically opposed in their hopes. Not unlike how both the anti-oil and oil industry need a sense of scarcity to prove their opposite points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    Many people who are struggling the most are doing so because of incredibly dumb decisions they've made for themselves. Naturally there are others who struggle through no fault of their own, but that has been the case before and will always be the case. Some in this country will always have it more difficult than others no matter what the cost of gas. I make considerably less than most people I know, yet most of them are struggling and I am not. By most of the country's standards I shouldn't even be able to get by on what I make! It's not due to some ingenius planning or anything, I simply don't spend every dime I make on every gadget and toy that catches my eye, then wonder why I have no money.
    It seems all of my asinine co-workers' obsessions are the "latest" cell phone, ipod, or whatever electronic doo-hickey that there is, you're not cool if you don't have it. I have a cell phone, yea, but I don't have the latest iphone II XXP or whatever - of course, they all complain about having to struggle to put gas in their cars for their 2-hour long daily commutes as well.

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    I am doing f'n great actually. Higher food prices do not affect me at all. Actually instead of eating out for $40 I now eat in for $4 and I feel healthier than ever. and I skipped on the the Ipod/cellphone/plasma tv/ps3/blueray/cervelo ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclaholic View Post
    I grew up in a 3rd world ***** hole of a ghetto in South America before we migrated to Australia (we wanted to migrate to the USA but they refused us). I've seen dumpsters behind fast food outlets half full of food that I wouldn't have even dreamt of when I was a kid, how anyone can claim to be 'suffering' in the USA or in Australia is beyond me.
    Many people in the USA have never suffered or seen it. Even those who travel isolate themselves from the poorest people. Here in DC I occasionally run into returning Peace Corps volunteers who served in truly impoverished places. They seem to have a difficult time expressing themselves about the lifestyle contrast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gooch View Post
    How many "poor" in the US grow a garden? My grandparents were very poor, but ate very well!
    Yeah, well it may be hard to grow a garden if you live in the projects or an apartment. It may also be hard if you don't have the tools, there is no Tractor Supply store near, and your parents didn't farm so they can't teach you how. Not saying it isn't possible, but there are heavy factors weighing against it.

    I've always liked plants, but with my current apartment, I'll be darned if I can figure out how to grow one. My northern window doesn't get much light, and my southern one is blocked by a huge maple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    Yeah, well it may be hard to grow a garden if you live in the projects or an apartment. It may also be hard if you don't have the tools, there is no Tractor Supply store near, and your parents didn't farm so they can't teach you how. Not saying it isn't possible, but there are heavy factors weighing against it.

    I've always liked plants, but with my current apartment, I'll be darned if I can figure out how to grow one. My northern window doesn't get much light, and my southern one is blocked by a huge maple.
    A lot of areas have community gardens, don't need a tractor supply to grow stuff in buckets or boxes. I have seen some older folks planting gardens and they live in the "projects" but those are the people that know how to help themselves not standing around with their hand held out waiting on Uncle Sam to deliver dinner. We have an entire generation (possible two) that have grown up on entitlement and have no clue.

    I work with Habitat for Humanity and the local Urban Ministry Nehemiah Project. Both are aimed at helping people that are helping themselves, not standing around waiting for a handout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post

    I've always liked plants, but with my current apartment, I'll be darned if I can figure out how to grow one. My northern window doesn't get much light, and my southern one is blocked by a huge maple.
    I've been thinking of ferns or other understory species. I have a brown thumb so anything I grow has to be tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamplight View Post
    Most people cannot understand why anyone would want gas prices to go up, as that makes everything cost more. But many here are willing to pay higher prices for everything if it causes America to change it's ways as a whole. When it comes to transportation, we're like a nation of children being led by more children. We have no adults telling us that eating nothing but candy will be bad for us, so we keep eating it because we like it, never thinking about what it will do to our bodies. If suddenly we can't have candy all the time, we whine and complain to no end, even though we'll be better off in the long run despite being uncomfortable in the mean time.
    PERFECT description. I concur with you whole-heartedly.

    I was actually talking to my boyfriend about this very thing...Maybe, along with other positive benefits, gas prices will finally slim down America so we don't have to pull a Japan and measure waists.. (Or maybe we should do that anyway as well)...

    In short - wake up, grow up, and EAT YOUR VEGETABLES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmberRae View Post
    PERFECT description. I concur with you whole-heartedly.

    I was actually talking to my boyfriend about this very thing...Maybe, along with other positive benefits, gas prices will finally slim down America so we don't have to pull a Japan and measure waists.. (Or maybe we should do that anyway as well)...

    In short - wake up, grow up, and EAT YOUR VEGETABLES!
    That's kinda hard to do when the father of the current President doesn't even like broccoli. I mean, come on, what kind of example is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclaholic View Post
    I grew up in a 3rd world ***** hole of a ghetto in South America before we migrated to Australia (we wanted to migrate to the USA but they refused us). I've seen dumpsters behind fast food outlets half full of food that I wouldn't have even dreamt of when I was a kid, how anyone can claim to be 'suffering' in the USA or in Australia is beyond me.

    The end of the age of oil is here, its real, and you have no choice but to deal with it... or die. Some of us will thrive, some will struggle and get by, and some just won't make it. That's just the way it is.
    I don't want this to turn into a rude debate, however there ARE people who suffer, in EVERY country. The reason that they get over-looked in countries like America and Australia are because of the MAJORITY of the population. Spending too much money, wasting just about everything, taking everything for granted.

    I don't know what a similar area would be in Australia, but come to America and take a trip down Skid Row in Los Angeles... or even in po-dunkville Arizona where my uncle who died because of the Road-kill he ate. Could have gone either way really, starve to death or die with a full belly. I guess he chose the lesser of two evils.

    Some will make it, some won't. I agree. But don't think that just because people live in a certain country that they don't suffer just as much as 3rd worlders

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