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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    Since this thread is divided between pie-in the-sky descriptions of a metaphysical bicycle heaven, and its locations on earth, I would add Metro Boston to the list. There is an active thread devoted to the Riding Experience here…
    I like Wipekitty’s criteria for bicycle heaven, so I applied them to cycling in Boston. I highlighted full concurrence in blue, partial in green:

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    Terrain: A good mixture - flats, rollers, challenging climbs. Interesting geographical formations to look at. Areas with trees and areas of barren land. Water optional.

    Roads: Wide shoulders, no potholes, maintained year round. A few paths for families and others who prefer to be away from cars. Traffic signals in town that change for bikes as well as cars.

    Weather: Sunny most of the time, low humidity. A few hot days, a cool and dry summer, and a cold and snowy winter of several months for icebiking. (Hey, it's my paradise!)

    Setting: A smaller city or larger town with coffee shops, universities, and an interesting downtown. Easy access to a nearby big city using bike-friendly public transportation; city also accessible by long bike ride. Low traffic in town; infrastructure to support pedestrians, cyclists of various speeds and abilities, and drivers. Bike parking always closer to the door than car parking.
    I had to be hypercritical to assess items in green, and even the negative aspects don't apply all the time or all the places,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR3 View Post
    France.

    D roads.

    Respect.

    Patisserie every 5-10 Km.

    No pickups or guns to worry about.

    Faire le pee pee roadside is de rigueur.
    What is so special about the "D Roads" in France? Didn't appear to me to be anything unique.

    German men do it too; the difference is that the French men face the road while wee-weeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    What is so special about the "D Roads" in France? Didn't appear to me to be anything unique.

    German men do it too; the difference is that the French men face the road while wee-weeing.
    Hop on D902 and get back to me with your comparision to Iowa. There is next to no traffic on most D routes, good road surfaces, and considerate drivers.

    http://www.savoie-mont-blanc.com/en/...iterranean-Sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR3 View Post
    Hop on D902 and get back to me with your comparision to Iowa. There is next to no traffic on most D routes, good road surfaces, and considerate drivers.

    http://www.savoie-mont-blanc.com/en/...iterranean-Sea.
    You seriously believe that all roads in a country can be judged by a scenic road that you found yourself riding? I made no Iowa comparisons and only am dealing with my numerous road experiences in France that I acquired while living 10 years in Germany.

    The D roads are designated roads of a certain class in France, not much different than numbered highways designated US; some are quite pleasant in rural areas and others are not. D roads don't get a better or worse group of motorists than other roads in France.

    BTW I didn't find French drivers all that wonderful, and felt that German drivers' conduct towards cyclists, as well as German roads, and off road cycling routes typically superior to those in France. The percentage of the population in eachNation that uses a bicycle for transportation as well as recreation is partially a reflection of this.

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    D roads are departmental roads in France and completely unlike US designated highways. No comparison.

    I lived in Germany too.

    Having toured many thousands if not tens of thousands of miles in France, cycling rural D roads is heaven for me. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RR3 View Post
    Having toured many thousands if not tens of thousands of miles in France, cycling rural D roads is heaven for me. Just my opinion.
    Fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    There was no ownership sign at the gate. Other places in this county that have been gated like that are usually a combination of BLM and private, usually either Weyerhauser or Roseburg, where the BLM actually owns/maintains the road. The O&C lands are basically a checkerboard of BLM/private, so it's tough for one entity to own the entire road for any distance and most fire season closures have been restricted to motor vehicles (likely due to the fact that there are so few people on bikes hereabouts). I could check it out on the county land records site, but I'm too lazy and I don't want to find that I'm not supposed to ride there. It's just too nice to stay away from.
    Oh. Cool. Here the signs at the gats say no motorized vehicles most of the year (bicycling heaven for me) but for fire season they are saying "no public entry" and I was stopped by a state cop one year whilst running up there with my dog, and told not to be there. So I stopped. I ride and run directly from my own skid road onto Weyerhauser's roads. No gates at our boundary though.
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    I understand that there aren't many cars in Cuba. I've never been there and I understand there is the little matter of personal freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironwood View Post
    I understand that there aren't many cars in Cuba. I've never been there and I understand there is the little matter of personal freedom.
    No new cars, no American cars newer than 1959 models. But the Cubans love what they've got and the streets are like a ride back in a time machine for those who like Detroit Iron. Some LCFer should be right at home.

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