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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    Almost all of the seventeen replies you got in '08 mentioned what folks were doing to reduce their energy consumption and live more sustainable, planet-friendly lives, while there were no wacky climate-denial posts, no one's sincerity was questioned, and nobody was branded as smug.
    Glad that was happening in '08. At that time I was more actively conscious of my impact on the environment. Usually you go through a period where you make an assessment and come up with a course of action. I did a few things and created a few principles (actually borrowed them from my family... like don't waste things, turn the lights off, eat less meat, ride everywhere...)

    Nowadays I'm not so actively conscious, but I have formed what I think are some good habits.

    On the down side, I haven't completely followed my principles. For example, I still take a couple of airplane trips a year. I live in and heat a fairly big house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    On the down side, I haven't completely followed my principles. For example, I still take a couple of airplane trips a year. I live in and heat a fairly big house.
    I'm lucky enough to live in a region that has good rail and bus service, so I can get around with flying, but I would like to visit my relatives in California, whom I haven't seen for a long time, and the only way to do that would be to get on an airliner.

    I'm heat free. Bundling up well does the trick for me. I don't suppose that's an option in Des Moines.
    Gimme that car-free living!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotwheels View Post
    I get this perspective and have lived this way for periods of time. I lived off $5000.00 in 1996. I was realy proud of that. Now I like to think of that minimalist phase as a really experimental and exciting time of my life. It was awesome.

    Things have changed..

    I am absolutely a materialist. I like having 10 shirts because I like to vary how I present myself in all aspects of my life. Books, music dvd's (my newest love), cooking tools including odds and ends I won't always use and furniture. I like having things, it really makes me comfortable. Oh yeah, I have two operable bikes and one that I'm fixing up. 3 computers and some other toys. I can't wait to inherit my dad's tool box full of tools.

    I'm writing this because I like the contrast of our experience and respect our differences. I'm car lite but I'll get a moving truck. Being able to use a bike as often as possible is a big part of my life.
    I tend to be a hoarder, so I do a massive spring cleaning every year. Anything that wasn't used for the last year has to go. It's amazing how much I accumulate in only 12 months. But I do better than I used to. I've been pretty good at going weeks or even months without buying anything but food.

    Right now, our five member family has a desktop computer, two laptops, three tablets, and three smart phones plus two dumb phones. I think that's excessive, but we do use them all.
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    Roody,

    Part of the reason I went minimalist (and really liked it too) was because I had always struggled with feeling glutinous. Just like you, I take inventory every year and sell or donate excess. It took me a long time to reconcile my conscience with my material needs. I'm sure there is some philosophical or psychological insight into this present day dilemma, well dilemma for some of us.
    I love to commute and ride. Keeping a positive focus.

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    My wife and I each have cars..... but we drive ridiculously few miles. Most weeks we only use a gallon or two of gasoline... combined. But we live rich full modern lives.

    We are both frugal by nature... though in slightly different ways. We enjoy good home cooked foods... and use very little processed stuff. Between my wife and myself.... there isn't much we can't make and/or repair ourselves. This allows us to have more... for much less.

    Avoiding booze, drugs, cigarettes, fancy coffees and other such cultural "luxury's"..... are the most liberating things we have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    I'm lucky enough to live in a region that has good rail and bus service, so I can get around with flying, but I would like to visit my relatives in California, whom I haven't seen for a long time, and the only way to do that would be to get on an airliner.

    I'm heat free. Bundling up well does the trick for me. I don't suppose that's an option in Des Moines.
    I lost my furnace while I was away over Xmas. Amazing how fast all those pipes froze with icicles hanging from the taps.
    Luckily it's back in business, my pipes repaired... as long as the natural gas flows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    I tend to be a hoarder, so I do a massive spring cleaning every year. Anything that wasn't used for the last year has to go. It's amazing how much I accumulate in only 12 months. But I do better than I used to. I've been pretty good at going weeks or even months without buying anything but food.
    Yeah, we have a lot of that in our family as well. I attribute it to having been raised by parents who grew up during the Great Depression. Even though my dad was very successful (he was a banker!), we always felt poor, because we heard over and over and over from our parents, "we can't afford that".

    Now when I find a deal, it is really had to pass it by, even though if I gave it more thought, I'd know I don't actually need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    Avoiding booze, drugs, cigarettes, fancy coffees and other such cultural "luxury's"..... are the most liberating things we have done.
    Don't smoke nor take drugs.
    But drink regularly coffee, not expensive or fancy ones, normal homemade ones are fine.
    And for booze, I live in a beer country, what else can I say?
    But I don't drink just to drink, mostly to enjoy or degustate: a heavy dark beer for the whole evening, with a portion of cheese and mustard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    I'm curious about how you see being car-free or car-light? Is it part of a bigger plan for you?

    If so, what else characterizes your life besides being car-free?
    There could be a bigger plan. But I'm still drawing the path, aligning, cutting and pasting the pieces of ideas together of my plan.

    I need to get rid of the capitalistic economy or wrong political society where I live in.
    I need to get further than that, post-capitalistic, some call it peer2peer economy.

    There are lots of things going on in our society, done by the people for the people. Not by politicians.
    People are protesting, think about occupy, indignado's, ... starting at the financial crisis and Arabic spring few years ago.
    People get together on Social Media, making a group behind an idea to get things changed, because politics don't work.

    Then there are stuff like couchsurfing, the fairphone, repaircafé's, crowdfunding, ... all stuff for a better world, without making profit. Just get break-even to cover the costs, with durable goods and honest reasonable salaries.

    We need to get things done locally, in commons.
    For example: in a street with a lot of houses with gardens, everyone seems to need his own lawnmower, to just use it once in two weeks. While there can be one lawnmower to share for all the citizens in that street.
    Same for cars: if I look outside, I see lots of cars parked, they can be shared, car-pooling. No need to produce new cars for the next x years if everyone shares cars with family or friends, or if the community makes a good planning for sharing cars.
    I try to grow my own vegetables in my garden and buy stuff from the local farmers instead of the supermarket. I don't understand a food chain for food that is produced locally; with tons of unnecessary packaging.

    Another thing I'm stepping into is Open Source.
    What Adobe is doing made me so angry, the way they abuse their clients. I now changed to Gimp. There is even freeware for processing RAW photo files.
    I got my 'actions' converted to decent macro's in Gimp.
    Microsoft > Linux. I switch in the near future, when I have converted my Excel macro's to OpenOffice macro's, my switch will be easy.
    Even recording guitar with open source freeware works fine to compose music.
    What stops people and companies to stay with expensive software when there's free alternatives.

    Of course I can do more, maybe in the future. Think about books > e-books; beefeater > veggie; etc...
    Still working on ideas; keep things coming. Thanks for all the reading ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post
    There could be a bigger plan. But I'm still drawing the path, aligning, cutting and pasting the pieces of ideas together of my plan.

    I need to get rid of the capitalistic economy or wrong political society where I live in.
    I need to get further than that, post-capitalistic, some call it peer2peer economy.

    There are lots of things going on in our society, done by the people for the people. Not by politicians.
    People are protesting, think about occupy, indignado's, ... starting at the financial crisis and Arabic spring few years ago.
    People get together on Social Media, making a group behind an idea to get things changed, because politics don't work.

    Then there are stuff like couchsurfing, the fairphone, repaircafé's, crowdfunding, ... all stuff for a better world, without making profit. Just get break-even to cover the costs, with durable goods and honest reasonable salaries.

    We need to get things done locally, in commons.
    For example: in a street with a lot of houses with gardens, everyone seems to need his own lawnmower, to just use it once in two weeks. While there can be one lawnmower to share for all the citizens in that street.
    Same for cars: if I look outside, I see lots of cars parked, they can be shared, car-pooling. No need to produce new cars for the next x years if everyone shares cars with family or friends, or if the community makes a good planning for sharing cars.
    I try to grow my own vegetables in my garden and buy stuff from the local farmers instead of the supermarket. I don't understand a food chain for food that is produced locally; with tons of unnecessary packaging.

    Another thing I'm stepping into is Open Source.
    What Adobe is doing made me so angry, the way they abuse their clients. I now changed to Gimp. There is even freeware for processing RAW photo files.
    I got my 'actions' converted to decent macro's in Gimp.
    Microsoft > Linux. I switch in the near future, when I have converted my Excel macro's to OpenOffice macro's, my switch will be easy.
    Even recording guitar with open source freeware works fine to compose music.
    What stops people and companies to stay with expensive software when there's free alternatives.

    Of course I can do more, maybe in the future. Think about books > e-books; beefeater > veggie; etc...
    Still working on ideas; keep things coming. Thanks for all the reading ;-)
    Very interesting. I like the way you have integrated so many ideas and actions into one philosophy. You walk the walk a lot better than I do.

    Clearly, centralized big-market corporate capitalism is not up to solving the problems that humanity faces. Our leaders aren't providing any useful innovations, so I guess it's up to the people to work something out. I think carfree living is a big part of that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post

    Still working on ideas; keep things coming. Thanks for all the reading ;-)
    bulevardi... don't give up on the ideas. Nothing everything you plant turns into a rosebush, but without ideas... even crazy ideas... we are lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    You walk the walk a lot better than I do.
    But you probably ride your bike a lot more than I do

    Well, just wanted to share these ideas. I'm not doing all of them, yet.
    I partially do some of the stuff when possible.
    Like I said somewhere else: I'm not even car free; my wife has a car that we use a lot. But for myself, I try to live (or at least commute) without a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    I'm curious about how you see being car-free or car-light? Is it part of a bigger plan for you?

    If so, what else characterizes your life besides being car-free?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    Being fit.

    One of the main reasons I am car light is because it gives me an opportunity to exercise more.

    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    All the posters' responses stated what they were personally doing, and their own goals or rationale for their own behavior, without any smug proselytizing about why anybody/everybody else should be doing the same.
    I don’t want to get metaphysical about what characterizes my life, but an overarching pattern of my lifestyle is described as “The Power of Full Engagement,” as in the book of the same name. The basic principle of full engagement is that “managing energy, not time, is the key to high performance and personal renewal.”

    [Now, I'm not proselytizing for some cult, like EST of the 70’s, but that premise appealed to me because it codified a feeling I have held for a long time prior to reading the book. In fact it was an interview with the authors (who have reliable psychologic credentials) that prompted me to read the book. If interested, see this short summation.]

    For me an optimal way to accrue energy (be fit) is to bicycle more and more. For example my cycle commute may be longer than the drive to work (from 60 to 120 minutes vs. 30 minutes) but the short-term investment in time and energy expenditure is richly rewarded by the short- and long-term energizing effects. Beyond cycling, my time-consuming job is flexible enough so that I can adjust my workload to my energy levels. I can slide along (maybe posting to Bike Forums) during the low energy peaks and constant interruptions of the afternoon of the usual 9-5 day, but I can be a my desk at 5:00 AM, or 8:00 PM when my and energy levels are highest to produce optimal performance.

    FWIW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post
    But you probably ride your bike a lot more than I do

    Well, just wanted to share these ideas. I'm not doing all of them, yet.
    I partially do some of the stuff when possible.
    Like I said somewhere else: I'm not even car free; my wife has a car that we use a lot. But for myself, I try to live (or at least commute) without a car.
    I'm not carfree any longer either. I was for a very long time, until my son and his family moved in with me. I still don't own a car, but they do. They do the shopping for the household, so I can't claim to be carfree. I also go on family outings in the car, but my personal trips are by bike, bus and walking. I live only about 1/4 mile from work now, so I don't ride nearly as much as I used to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post

    For me an optimal way to accrue energy (be fit) is to bicycle more and more. For example my cycle commute may be longer than the drive to work (from 60 to 120 minutes vs. 30 minutes) but the short-term investment in time and energy expenditure is richly rewarded by the short- and long-term energizing effects. Beyond cycling, my time-consuming job is flexible enough so that I can adjust my workload to my energy levels. I can slide along (maybe posting to Bike Forums) during the low energy peaks and constant interruptions of the afternoon of the usual 9-5 day, but I can be a my desk at 5:00 AM, or 8:00 PM when my and energy levels are highest to produce optimal performance.

    FWIW.
    I like your concept of accruing energy... it's like becoming fit gives you such potential... which it really does!

    But doesn't it pile up a lot of good energy also (like good Karma...)? Your thoughts and ideas about why you are cycling reverberate to all those around you. Or am I wrong?

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    I feel like the bastard child of this party. I'm not car-free for any altruistic reason; it's just an expensive luxury I don't need. My apartment is five miles from work and a mile from a shopping mall.

    Neither do I put much thought into global warming, societal breakdown, sustainability, or any other modern buzzwords. I just plod through my life a day at a time. Like an ant on a truck tire, I'm vaguely aware of something much bigger than myself, but I don't bother with things I can't control.

    A car, television, and air conditioning I can do without (I'm comfortable in even the most extreme heat). But my iphone is a must-have -- you just can't get Plants vs Zombies 2 for the PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    I don’t want to get metaphysical about what characterizes my life…

    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    I like your concept of accruing energy... it's like becoming fit gives you such potential... which it really does!

    But doesn't it pile up a lot of good energy also (like good Karma...)? Your thoughts and ideas about why you are cycling reverberate to all those around you. Or am I wrong?
    Is that a metaphysical question…? ...or a rhetorical question? ...or a question at all?

    In any case, IMO the way my cycling karma, or aura or whatever effects others around me is that I get a lot of respect from non-cyclists. I have even been called a saint. Most people I encounter who know of my cycling though do use it as a social pleasantry or a virtual greeting, e.g. “Did you ride in today?”. In fancy social situations I’m invariably asked “Did you ride your bike here?.”

    On the other hand, I frequently ask people, even those I’ve just met, “Where do you live, if I may ask?” and quickly add that I cycle so much that I probably have ridden in their neighborhood. It’s a great icebreaker, and attests to this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    …And there's an element of fun and adventure in there too …Close to home, being car light or car free has encouraged me to explore my local area. It can be a bit of an adventure to see where this road leads and that road goes, and the lengthen my cycling distances to go further afield.
    The only hostility I can recall is by acquaintances who fear they can hit a cyclist on the road, especially in bad wether conditions. Nonetheless, I have learned from these rants, to meet them with a declaration of all the safety habits I employ, and remind myself to practice them.

    Among serious cyclists I know, it’s a special bond, say no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    For me an optimal way to accrue energy (be fit) is to bicycle more and more. For example my cycle commute may be longer than the drive to work (from 60 to 120 minutes vs. 30 minutes) but the short-term investment in time and energy expenditure is richly rewarded by the short- and long-term energizing effects. Beyond cycling, my time-consuming job is flexible enough so that I can adjust my workload to my energy levels. I can slide along (maybe posting to Bike Forums) during the low energy peaks and constant interruptions of the afternoon of the usual 9-5 day, but I can be a my desk at 5:00 AM, or 8:00 PM when my and energy levels are highest to produce optimal performance.

    FWIW.
    But what about a powernap?

    Don't ride your bike for 120 minutes, just do a nap for 15 minutes and you're energized like a fish again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulevardi View Post
    But what about a powernap?

    Don't ride your bike for 120 minutes, just do a nap for 15 minutes and you're energized like a fish again!

    I am able to incorporate power naps into my work day, usually for about half an hour, somewhere from about 3 to 6 PM, and often a shorter one after 8PM. IMO, to compare energy restoration to nutrition, a power nap is a snack and a bike ride is a full meal.

    Five hours a night, from about 11 PM to 4 AM is my usual sleep pattern, and early morning is the best energy time. I describe before 5 AM as “early morning, 5 to 7 as “mid-morning, 7 to 9 as “late morning, and after 9 AM as “pre-afternoon.” So the powernaps are crucial. The authors of the “Power of Full Engagement” address the question of limited night time sleeping and agree that cutting short sleep time is at least partially compensated, as I recall, by exercise time.

    I posted about sleeping to this thread, “How simply do you sleep?:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim from Boston View Post
    …One peculiarity of my sleep environment is that I like a little background light on and a talk show on the radio. If it's too dark and quiet, the darkness is blinding and the silence is deafening. I like to rise early, about 4:00 AM, so these are clues to get me up...
    I have also noted that when I do my Saturday morning long ride (greater than 40 miles), I wake up particularly early and refreshed on Sunday morning, even after a Saturday night “on the town.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    I feel like the bastard child of this party. I'm not car-free for any altruistic reason; it's just an expensive luxury I don't need. My apartment is five miles from work and a mile from a shopping mall.
    Everyone is free to buy with their money what they want, you know. You work for it.
    Everyone has it's own lifestyle. And who are we to say we live the good lifestyle and they live the bad lifestyle?
    We're not supposed to make an evaluation of other peoples lives.
    I once used to say to someone how he should live, but that action didn't make us friends... on the contrary; it didn't make me popular anyway.

    Last year, we were thinking about moving home, and I was rationally lookings the maps for potential houses, to see wether there's stuff in the neighbourhood to do by foot: school, pharmacy, grocery store, doctor, railway station,... Some things were sometimes a little far away and I thought on buying luxury aswel: a car.

    I made a whole comparison in Excel of cars that I could afford, with the least emissions, cheapest, even second hand,... Ok, financially, I could buy a car. I had some money aside for a cheap one... but then again, I compared the insurance and oil prices and other costs that come along. And just only the yearly amount I would have to spend on insurance, would be around the same to buy me a brand new bicycle a year !
    That certainly made the click: I actually can afford me a new bike a year. (not that I'm going to do that, but the idea counts)
    So I bought me a bike and all-weather clothes and now I'm giving it a try, for already a few months.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Cid View Post
    Neither do I put much thought into global warming, societal breakdown, sustainability, or any other modern buzzwords. I just plod through my life a day at a time. Like an ant on a truck tire, I'm vaguely aware of something much bigger than myself, but I don't bother with things I can't control.
    You personally can't change the bigger things on your own.

    But if you do it for yourself, it's already one small tooth of the sprocketwheel that's been cleaned.
    If everyone cleans up a small tooth, the whole cogwheel will be cleaned sooner or later.
    It's a system where we can join a party at a house we'll build together, if everyone brings just one brick, we can all together build the house.

    The weird thing seems that most people are so hard to convince to just bring along one brick... it seems just too much. Because it's easier to not bring it along.
    We all know the problems and consequences, but we all know the solutions too. We're just too lazy.

    Now step on your bike
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    I'm car-free mostly because I have a goal to be as self-sustaining as possible.
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