lyeinyoureye

I think it's something like 99.999(more nines)+%. Vehicles can be constructed from other used vehicle bits and registered depending on local registration, but it's really rare.
Say what? Every topic is on topic when we use information totally out of context!

bicycletothesun

What hasn't been said yet?

gwd

Yeah, when I wear a suit I get more smiles and longer conversations from females than when I'm doing the business casual thing. But still I think the health and happiness from car free living also helps. Yesterday a woman from the building I work in came out with a bike. So we got to talking, she lives in my neighborhood so we rode home together. She's just getting used to DC traffic and bicycle transportation. If I were car dependent we'd never have met. So if you live in a place where bicycle transportation is more common, biking facilitates meeting people too. To me riding home with someone is more comfortable than being stuck in a car. First dates are more fun on bikes.

CbadRider

Have any of you "women only want men for money" guys ever dated a woman who has a career and makes her own money? As opposed to a materialistic airhead who is looking for a sugar daddy to pay for everything?

We can have careers too, you know. I know quite a few accomplished women who would meet the *hot* requirements of this thread who aren't looking for someone to support them.

Smallwheels

To be clear I have never written that women only want men for money. The studies show that women want men with money. That is different.

I'm so glad that you brought this up. The researcher on the show said that women who have careers will only pick men who have careers equal or superior to their own. The financially successful women in the audience made comments that they would not consider men without good careers equal to their own. When one woman was asked if she would date a guy making less than she earned she had to pause for a second to think about it and then she said "Maybe, depending on the situation". The long hesitation is what really told the story. If she were truly unconcerned about the financial status of a man she would have just said yes with no hesitation.

As far as hot women waiting in the unemployment line with their boyfriends, I bet that scene is more common in any major city that has plenty of aspiring models and actors.

Many years ago on an ABC TV news program they ran a story about social status and dating. Money is a huge part of social status but not all of it. Actors, models, musicians, and artists command status in the eyes of the public. They have status because they perform in front of many people and get plenty of attention (or they are perceived as having that potential). People in general want to be associated with others who have high status.

High perceived social status does have long term financial benefits and is therefore a valuable commodity in potential mates. People with higher status do get more opportunities in business.

Don't you think that a loser from the famous Kennedy family would have more opportunities presented to him than someone who just graduated from a non-famous private college? I'm not saying the loser Kennedy person would actually be capable of doing a good job. I'm saying he would have more chances due to the perceived social status of the whole family.

Driving expensive cars (or any car really) and wearing expensive clothing gives visual clues about social status. Bicycling for transportation and living car free does too.

brad3104

Smallwheels....Why are u so concerned with what other people are doing and what they think about you? I dont understand how people can be so cought up in material things and trying to please other people.

All of ur posts ooze with a lack of confidence and a need to be accepted.

gwd

I don't put my self in the "women only want men for money" category but my ex made a LOT more than me. She didn't like me biking or walking to work either.. but that's another story. Most of the women I've dated since college made their own money. So I know there are women who will date or marry a man who makes less than she does.

CbadRider

I am curious as to where they found the participants for this show. There are six women in my family who have a male SO and five of them make more than he does. One guy is a house husband who stays at home and has no outside job.

Smallwheels

You are totally filling in the blanks about my personality in the wrong way. I didn't start this thread and didn't even post in it for quite a while. One day I was curious about it and opened it. I decided to pass on information that I had learned elsewhere. I have only posted data about studies done scientifically to bolster the opinions and realities about being car free and dating.

Most people that know me would say I'm very confident. I work for myself and am debt free. I'm not materialistic and don't own extravagant things, though I will spend more money to buy quality things if I need them. Everybody in the car free forum is probably more confidant than most people who tow the line of a car centered world. Car free people appear to me to be more independent and resourceful.

I've been working on personal spiritual growth for more than twenty years and even back in high school I let go of being worried about what others think about me. The toughest part of spiritual growth for me is letting go of my judgements of others. Only in the last five years have I gotten a handle on that one. It still needs more work but my life is much more peaceful now.

rockmom

Smallwheels,

I don't think this study is showing what you think it does. All people react to pricing by rating the higher priced item as better. It can be a chocolate bar, a bottle of wine, a watch, or a picture of a man. The structure of the study you mentioned does not control for that tendency. Dating is part of a social context, not a market/price context.

Smallwheels

You are absolutely right. When women see men with more trappings of money, status, and security they place a higher worth on them. That is what the studies consistently show. I'm sure published studies and books exist that explain all of the parameters that were used to come to these conclusions.

I believe that any female bicyclist whether car free or not has a much different perspective on dating while car free than the majority of women. I think it is a good healthy perspective but it is probably in a very restricted minority that Robert Foster pointed out in post #25.

Seeing a persons appearance is like seeing an advertisement that catches your eye. Accepting someone for a date is like responding to the advertisement. You see what they have to offer and then you agree to hear the sales pitch. Dating the same person for a long time is like hearing the whole sales presentation before deciding to buy. You stick around long enough to make a decision. If you see too many things that you don't like you stop listening to the presentation. Marrying somebody is like making the purchase. (Annulment is like taking back a defective product under warrantee and divorce is like throwing away a product that no longer works and is out of warrantee.)

Looks and money will come up within the first two steps. That gets ones foot in the door. It is personality and compatibility that get one through the next few parts of the process.

You can't make a sale if you can't get someone to give you a second look. That is where the money and status come in to play.

rockmom

You are confusing market norms and social norms. If you are basing your relationships on market norms, you aren't going to have much luck.

https://www.predictablyirrational.com/?page_id=129

Spaceman Spiff

The thing women like most is showing up other women. A wealthy high status man allows them to do that. Nothing gives greater pleasure to a woman than the knowledge that another woman is jealous of her. The first question women ask themselves (usually subconsciously) when deciding whether a mate is suitable or not is, "will my friends like him?" Since a guy who doesn't own a car probably won't impress a woman's friends, he's deemed less desirable than one with a nice car.

bicycletothesun

How do you know this?

CbadRider

You're kidding, right?

Siu Blue Wind

Wow. That may be what YOU feel about your guy. You must not really get out to know other ladies all that well. My guy isn't rich, my guy has a regular car that gets him from one place to another and I don't give a darn WHAT my friends think of him as long as he is not doing me wrong and we are compatible. If anything what impresses my friends about him is the way he treats me. And I don't need to show up other women or make them jealous because the women that matter to me are my friends. Real friends don't compete (at least in MY circle)...

I'm sorry that you feel this way. It's too bad that there can't be harmony in your circle of women.

bicycletothesun

Most women are catty! I know! I work with all women! (The only guy in a pack of wild beasts).

ban guzzi

Most of the responses to this thread inadvertently explain why the posters themselves are single.

Newspaperguy

I don't want my foot in that particular door. Sorry.

If someone starts asking a lot of questions about my financial status, I'll start to feel uneasy. I don't want a gold-digger and I don't want to be someone's sugar daddy.

There are some men and women who can make heads turn without spending a lot of money to do so. These are people who carry themselves with poise and confidence, who dress neatly but not extravagantly and who are well groomed. They might not be exceptionally beautiful people, but they get noticed. This has everything to do with a positive attitude rather than trying to look prosperous.

Cyclist0383

That's just the ranting of lonely men who because of their personality aren't very successful with women.

Both my wife and former lovers are all successful, intelligent, attractive women who make more money than I do. In fact, most of them are at the top of their field or successful business owners. If you guys are only finding women who want a man for his money then you are looking at the wrong type of woman. Blame yourselves for that.

Siu Blue Wind

+1 Also people who are polite, have manners, compassion and are not arrogant.

Spaceman Spiff

Various books I've read.

Spaceman Spiff

As I stated, this is on a subconscious level. So when you say "I don't care what my friends think of him blah blah blah", how do you know you don't? You think you don't, but you do. The same way when people say "I don't want kids" and convince themselves they actually don't, even though they actually do (every single person wants to reproduce on a subconscious level). We as human beings are genetically programmed to want certain things, and although we can convince ourselves otherwise, we can't change what's in our nature.

Spaceman Spiff

I somehow doubt a woman pulling in a 6 figure income is gonna give the time of day to a guy who is not educated and successful.

Cyclist0383

Who said anything about the man being a loser? If a woman makes more money than a man does that make him a loser to you? And where did you come up with six figures? That's just bizarre.