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Roody 04-28-10 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Foofy (Post 10734825)
Mackinac Island. Cool little tourist island; all transport on the island is by foot, bicycle, and horse-and-wagon. I think the only exception is emergency vehicles. You get there by ferry, or I imagine even a private boat. I've heard you can get there by snow-mobile in the middle of winter, which sounds quite plausible.

I have a lot of childhood memories of Mackinac Island. One uncle drove a (horse-powered) cargo dray there, and another uncle had use of one of the "cottages" on the bluff for a week in the summer. Bicycles are as big a deal as the horse carts on the island.

nanter 04-28-10 05:18 PM

Fire Island is most definitely not car free.

Booger1 04-29-10 10:39 AM

They must be old memories.There are cars there for the residents,all 3000 of them but you hardly ever see one.It's mostly golf carts and bicycles and mopeds.There is a 10 year waiting list to bring a car over for residents.

Close as I will ever get to no cars anyway,being in L.A. and all.

Noobtastic 04-29-10 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Llamero (Post 10594410)
Any small island community is guaranteed to be car-free, however they're also likely to own a boat.

Yup, then they screw you over with a bridge.

Machka 02-12-14 07:11 AM

We've been to Zermatt. :)


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8043/8...8d2b4aa24e.jpg
(click for lots more photos)

We've been to various places in Hong Kong, but all the places we went had motorised vehicles.

Within Australia ...

We've cycled on French Island (and spotted several koalas there).

I had a bit of a chuckle about Rundle Mall, Adelaide. I'm not sure why they would include it ... it's a mall. Same with the other malls mentioned, like the one(s) in Melbourne and Brisbane. And if you're going to include malls, why not include Elizabath Mall in Hobart?

Rundle Mall, Adelaide ... from a visit in 2011 ...
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5226/5...a7e1ddfac5.jpg
(click for lots more photos)

Roody 02-12-14 07:23 AM

Here we go with the daily bump and grind!

Jim from Boston 02-12-14 12:24 PM

IMO, places like Mackinac and Santa Catalina Islands, while maybe “totally” car free, though ultimately dependent on an automotive civilization, are destinations. Nice places to visit, though I would not want to live there.

My personal experiences with exciting and interesting places to live that are reasonably possible for a car-free (or at least car-lite) lifestyle, are Ann Arbor, MI and Boston, MA. I have visited Chicago, Washington, DC and NYC, and they seem possible too (though I am an urban, year-round cycle commuter, so weather and traffic are not deal-breakers for me).

Machka 02-13-14 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 16490094)
IMO, places like Mackinac and Santa Catalina Islands, while maybe “totally” car free, though ultimately dependent on an automotive civilization, are destinations. Nice places to visit, though I would not want to live there.

I could envision living in Zermatt for several months or a year or so. It helps that there's a regular train service to other parts of Switzerland.

wilfried 02-14-14 03:04 AM

The closest I've come is visiting China in 1973. There were no privately owned automobiles, and the cities were seas of bicycles. We, however, were driven around Beijing in a big black Soviet Volga, and in other places in a van or some such. This made us seriously privileged. People would stop in the street and applaud when we went buy, as our vehicle apparently clearly contained some important personage (really important people were driven around in Chinese made Red Flag cars). I can't say much more about the car-free aspect of the experience.

Roody 02-14-14 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wilfried (Post 16494902)
The closest I've come is visiting China in 1973. There were no privately owned automobiles, and the cities were seas of bicycles. We, however, were driven around Beijing in a big black Soviet Volga, and in other places in a van or some such. This made us seriously privileged. People would stop in the street and applaud when we went buy, as our vehicle apparently clearly contained some important personage (really important people were driven around in Chinese made Red Flag cars). I can't say much more about the car-free aspect of the experience.

That's very interesting. I don't suppose you were ever able to get out of the limo and hop on a bike. Can you say why you were in China and was your mission successful?

Ekdog 02-14-14 06:42 AM

I was in Cuba in the 1990s during the hard times known as the período especial caused by the collapse of the Soviet Union and COMECON, as well as a tightening of the American economic blockade. There was a severe shortage of gasoline and very few vehicles were to be seen on the roads. People got by riding overcrowded buses, walking more and cycling. The government had imported thousands of bikes--I think they were Flying Pigeons--from the Chinese, which helped to alleviate the hardship.

That's about the closest I've been to experiencing a car-light society other than on small islands, like Caye Caulker in Belize. It's wonderful to get away from cars. The calm and quiet are truly amazing in these places.

Roody 02-14-14 07:03 AM

I suppose there are still countries that are practically carfree for the reason that few people can afford car ownership. Even China and India, despite publicized massive traffic jams, have very low ownership rates compared to more developed countries. I imagine there are places in the villages and countrysides of many nations where you could go a long time without hearing a car engine.

Has anybody been to places that are not listed as carfree places, but cars are very rare? What was that like for you as a visitor? What was the carfree lifestyle of the local people like?

the_tool_man 02-14-14 07:12 AM

Bald Head Island, off the NC coast, is car-free. There is a ferry boat to get to the island. But once there, your choices are electric golf cart or bicycle. I'm not sure if gas-powered golf carts are banned or not. But the last time I visited, I didn't see any, except the one used to ferry tourists to their rental properties from the ferry landing.

Daufuskie Island, off the SC coast, is also car-free. It is very nearly human-free, too. There is a ferry. But visiting by non-residents is by appointment only.

Someone already mentioned Venice, IT. While the city itself is without cars, there are many, many boats. And a bicycle would be of limited use there, because almost none of the canal bridges are without steps. Also, most of the "roads" are so narrow, and have so many doors opening onto them, I'd worry about hitting pedestrians.

wilfried 02-14-14 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16494961)
That's very interesting. I don't suppose you were ever able to get out of the limo and hop on a bike. Can you say why you were in China and was your mission successful?

Our trip was successful so far as I know, seeing as we were essentially tourists, albeit among the first after Nixon's trip to China. I was all of seven at the time. My parents were physicists from Taiwan (living in the US), so this was presumably some small bit of cultural diplomacy involving overseas Chinese scientists (we rode the coattails of a Nobel laureate colleague who had visited earlier). We were not important personages, but as foreigners, even Chinese ones, we might as well have been from Mars. We got trotted around to all the Socialist attractions, schools, hospitals, factories, communes (including the village where my grandfather grew up), etc. When we visited the Great Wall, we were the only ones there; it wasn't even open to the Chinese public. We had one minder in Beijing, two elsewhere, as the one from Beijing traveled with us. I don't remember riding a bicycle, though it might have happened, but we did get out of the car. Our minders weren't so uptight that we couldn't walk around on our own at least some of the time. I remember buying food was occasionally an issue, since we didn't have ration tickets for so many grams of rice. Buying our own Mao suits in a futile attempt to fit in was also a minor issue, as cotton was also rationed.

So that, in a nutshell, is what I remember from the trip.

Roody 02-14-14 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wilfried (Post 16495994)
Our trip was successful so far as I know, seeing as we were essentially tourists, albeit among the first after Nixon's trip to China. I was all of seven at the time. My parents were physicists from Taiwan (living in the US), so this was presumably some small bit of cultural diplomacy involving overseas Chinese scientists (we rode the coattails of a Nobel laureate colleague who had visited earlier). We were not important personages, but as foreigners, even Chinese ones, we might as well have been from Mars. We got trotted around to all the Socialist attractions, schools, hospitals, factories, communes (including the village where my grandfather grew up), etc. When we visited the Great Wall, we were the only ones there; it wasn't even open to the Chinese public. We had one minder in Beijing, two elsewhere, as the one from Beijing traveled with us. I don't remember riding a bicycle, though it might have happened, but we did get out of the car. Our minders weren't so uptight that we couldn't walk around on our own at least some of the time. I remember buying food was occasionally an issue, since we didn't have ration tickets for so many grams of rice. Buying our own Mao suits in a futile attempt to fit in was also a minor issue, as cotton was also rationed.

So that, in a nutshell, is what I remember from the trip.

That's interesting! What a great experience for a little kid... I don't get how such a closed society became a major tourist destination in just a few years.

mconlonx 02-14-14 01:30 PM

We visited Brugge, Belgium about ten years ago. Old city center is car-free. Tourists and shop owners love it. This is why I balk when US retailers scream bloody murder any time someone suggests a car-free downtown or less parking in favor of wider lanes to accommodate non-motorized road users--in Europe, seems like everyone prospers from car-free arrangements.

I don't remember a lot of motorized traffic in downtown Amsterdam, either. I was not under the impression that any of it was designated car-free, but the whole place definitely seemed car-lite.

timvan_78 02-14-14 01:43 PM

I went to ambergris caye in Belize. I believe there were a few cars, but LOTS of golf carts. It sucked. There was a lot of golf cart traffic, and I felt like I was the only one walking around.

I went to Caye Caulker, also in Belize. No cars, and less golf carts. Everyone walked everywhere, plus a few bikes but the streets were sandy. (cargo bike for the baker, transport services (moving tourist luggage etc). It was awesome.

Machka 02-14-14 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16496063)
I don't get how such a closed society became a major tourist destination in just a few years.

40 years is not "just a few years" ... although at my age, I appreciate that sentiment. Anything to make me feel younger than I am!!

A lot has changed in 40 years ...

Think about computers, for example ... 40 years ago, computers filled rooms. Now we hold much more powerful computers in our hands.

Erick L 02-15-14 04:28 AM

Ward's island in Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwTBuBJO-QU

I've been to Harrington Harbour, which is car-free. The "streets" are large wooden boardwalks and people use quads and snowmobiles in the winter so it isn't quite motor-free.

Rowan 02-15-14 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 16496209)
We visited Brugge, Belgium about ten years ago. Old city center is car-free. Tourists and shop owners love it. This is why I balk when US retailers scream bloody murder any time someone suggests a car-free downtown or less parking in favor of wider lanes to accommodate non-motorized road users--in Europe, seems like everyone prospers from car-free arrangements.

I don't remember a lot of motorized traffic in downtown Amsterdam, either. I was not under the impression that any of it was designated car-free, but the whole place definitely seemed car-lite.

The old area of Bordeaux is virtually car-free. But a lot of this has to do with the narrow streets that simply won't take high volumes of traffic, and it's been easier to hand over these areas to pedestrians and a few bicycle riders. In fact, the Bordeaux centre was so crowded with pedestrians (mainly tourists) when we were there, that riding a bicycle was nigh on impossible.

The French spent wisely during the GFC, and renewed a lot of city centres so they removed cars and opened them up to pedestrians.

Another interesting city centre was Luxembourg. And Nancy in eastern France had a stunning city square with history oozing out of every crevice.

Most of these towns and cities historically had a commercial trading centre, and that was the focal point of the town with the market square. These seem to have evolved into the centrepieces for these cities, and they essentially have continued to be car-free.

fietsbob 02-15-14 08:52 PM

In addition to Venice Italy ..

Anchor out on your Boat, in the bay or by an Island, and there are no cars ..

Artkansas 02-27-14 11:00 AM

Here's Huffington Post's list of car-free places.

Roody 02-27-14 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 16532157)

It says that Hydra doesn't allow any wheeled vehicles, so I guess no bikes either. Just donkeys.

Machka 02-28-16 09:35 PM

Scroll down to Australia on the list Roody posted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places ... and we have now been to Maria Island. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Island


We spent the weekend there:
http://www.bikeforums.net/living-car...l#post18571842


(BTW - I see that they have added Elizabeth Mall, and a few of other malls here in Australia. I still find that just a bit amusing given that they are malls. Sure they were streets at one point, but now it's all pedestrian shopping. :D)

Machka 03-07-16 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Machka (Post 18572033)
Scroll down to Australia on the list Roody posted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places ... and we have now been to Maria Island. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Island


We spent the weekend there:
http://www.bikeforums.net/living-car...l#post18571842


https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1471/2...25df61e6_z.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1489/2...d6a9aa2b_z.jpg


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