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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    Do you speed?
    Why would I? I'm in no rush to get to the next red light faster. I'm not sure if maximizing the amount of time spent at red lights is a 'thing' or not, but it seems that most drivers go way out of their way to sit at as many red lights as possible. At least I can't think of any other reason for people to speed to the next red light. When I'm biking or walking, I constantly see people actively (and often aggressively) accelerating toward a red light. It's amazing that I can cruise down a road on my bike at 15-18 MPH and keep up with traffic that goes 25-35 (peak) MPH... Sure, they get to the light faster, but before it turns green, I've caught back up to them and then they outpace me to the next light and I catch up again while it's red, over and over.

    Sure, they're going '30 MPH', but since I'm sitting right next to them red light after red light it's quite apparent that their average speed is the EXACT same average speed as mine. Of course, they're destroying the Earth, destroying their health, and destroying their finances, but it seems that most people are quite happy to do so...because, you know, they're going 'faster'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwinks View Post
    Sadly, most of the idiots behind the wheel agree with the idiots in office and applaud the 'faster' speeds (even though the average speed will likely go down thanks to induced traffic and extra collisions). But hey, everyone can go 'faster' now, so that's a plus!
    I'm afraid that's exactly the situation here in Spain, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwinks View Post
    Why would I? I'm in no rush to get to the next red light faster. I'm not sure if maximizing the amount of time spent at red lights is a 'thing' or not, but it seems that most drivers go way out of their way to sit at as many red lights as possible. At least I can't think of any other reason for people to speed to the next red light. When I'm biking or walking, I constantly see people actively (and often aggressively) accelerating toward a red light. It's amazing that I can cruise down a road on my bike at 15-18 MPH and keep up with traffic that goes 25-35 (peak) MPH... Sure, they get to the light faster, but before it turns green, I've caught back up to them and then they outpace me to the next light and I catch up again while it's red, over and over.

    Sure, they're going '30 MPH', but since I'm sitting right next to them red light after red light it's quite apparent that their average speed is the EXACT same average speed as mine. Of course, they're destroying the Earth, destroying their health, and destroying their finances, but it seems that most people are quite happy to do so...because, you know, they're going 'faster'.
    I have seen this countless times. The motorist who roars past you, horn blaring and bird flipping, is encountered again at the next five traffic signals. I have filtered past them so they have to repeat their overtaking several times. This is definitely NOT a good idea, but sometimes I just can't help myself. . A safer approach is to stop behind them at the red light, and smirk into their rear view mirror.


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    I like having a car for emergencies, camping with the kids, & lumber hauling. I prefer my bikes for ANYthing else. It just feels good, keeps me in shape... while having fun. I will always prefer bikes until my body can no longer pedal.

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    In the city, I loathe it. Outside the city, on a country highway headed for a big city, I can be on top of the world. Driving is fun, it's the stopping and other cars that ruin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjmillig View Post
    I still own my beat up old car, and I've found that I've come to really dislike driving. Maybe it's partly due to the condition of the car, but I think a big part is also that I hate the way I feel when I drive. My blood pressure seems to go up, I begin to lose my temper, and my patience decreases noticeably. It takes real effort to try to remain calm when my wife's in the car with me.
    I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Experiences, please.
    Yes, I do hate driving, with some qualifications. Cars are actually useful sometimes, but not nearly as often as most people imagine. After a few years of living car-free, I bought a car in 2009. I drove it all the time for about a month or two, until the novelty wore off. Then I went back to riding, but I kept the car for "emergencies," which tended to happen less and less often. When I sat down and did the math, and realized that every car trip, no matter how brief, was costing me $40 just for the insurance, I.... thought about it for a while longer. I finally ditched the car earlier this year, and I'm very happy about this decision. I still drive very occasionally, but I don't own a car, and when I do drive, if it's not an out-of-town trip, I pretty much hate every minute of it. Driving in the country can actually be kind of fun (though even then I prefer to ride). Driving in the city is an unmitigated PITA, and I do everything in my power to avoid it unless I'm hauling something big, I have family in town, or I have to show up somewhere in the rain while wearing a suit.
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    I can't really add anything unique to this thread, but I don't like driving at all anymore. I used to love road trips with a stack of tapes or CDs to listen to.

    I'm lucky (?) to live in the desert so, aside from heat & wind, there are very few bad riding days. My spouse needs a vehicle and it really causes me stress when something is wrong with the car and all that entails getting it looked at & repaired. I'm a self-sufficient bike mechanic but cars $care me because they are made to be out of reach to the average home wrencher.

    A friend recently asked why I enjoy getting around on bike so much. One thing I told him was that I was always going just as fast as I wanted to go. Never stuck behind anyone, and I can alter my route at any time. As soon as you get into a car, you're going to get stuck behind someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric S. View Post
    I'm a self-sufficient bike mechanic but cars $care me because they are made to be out of reach to the average home wrencher.
    And why is it you think that? I'm below an average home wrencher, I don't know, or didn't know, a thing about car repair. Other than as a teenager, in 10 cars and well over 500,000 miles between my wife and I (total including my first few cars I alone have over 500k miles driven) my cars have been in a shop for repair twice, and that is mostly because I found a local shop with reasonable labor rates (I live in the middle of nowhere and nothing until recently was local.) I've changed a clutch, head gasket, done suspension work, always do my own brake work, completely rebuilt a front end after totaling by deer collision, and anything else my cars needed. Only this past year I said heck with it, anything suspension related I'm taking to a shop which I had them replace a ball joint and tie rod because it was cheap at this new shop.

    Car repair is certainly not rocket science and with the internet, anyone can repair their own cars and save thousands. Why pay someone $1500 to replace a clutch when the part is $100 and it will take you at most 2 afternoons on a weekend to do? All it is is unbolting stuff and bolting back on. Simple. Those 2 weekend afternoons would have cost me 3 weeks of working at my job to pay for had I taken it to the shop.
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    Ever wonder why we "drive" cars and "ride" bikes? Shouldn't we use the opposite words? Our bodies propel our bikes, so that's driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Ever wonder why we "drive" cars and "ride" bikes? Shouldn't we use the opposite words? Our bodies propel our bikes, so that's driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwinks View Post
    Why would I? I'm in no rush to get to the next red light faster. I'm not sure if maximizing the amount of time spent at red lights is a 'thing' or not, but it seems that most drivers go way out of their way to sit at as many red lights as possible. At least I can't think of any other reason for people to speed to the next red light. When I'm biking or walking, I constantly see people actively (and often aggressively) accelerating toward a red light. It's amazing that I can cruise down a road on my bike at 15-18 MPH and keep up with traffic that goes 25-35 (peak) MPH... Sure, they get to the light faster, but before it turns green, I've caught back up to them and then they outpace me to the next light and I catch up again while it's red, over and over.

    Sure, they're going '30 MPH', but since I'm sitting right next to them red light after red light it's quite apparent that their average speed is the EXACT same average speed as mine. Of course, they're destroying the Earth, destroying their health, and destroying their finances, but it seems that most people are quite happy to do so...because, you know, they're going 'faster'.
    This is what always strikes me when someone talks about forcing a car to pass you over and over again. And not annoying drivers by making them pass you twice. It's not reasonable. Since the velocity is the same, bike or car, it is they who are doing the annoying dangerous stunt by forcing their way ahead of you time and again. They could just stay behind and lose nothing, other than having to allow more vehicles to merge in front. Which isn't a bad thing either ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Ever wonder why we "drive" cars and "ride" bikes? Shouldn't we use the opposite words? Our bodies propel our bikes, so that's driving.
    Some members of the Vehicular Cycling sect refer to themselves as "bicycle drivers".
    Gimme that car-free living!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    Some members of the Vehicular Cycling sect refer to themselves as "bicycle drivers".
    Some cyclists refer to members of the Vehicular Cycling sect as something else.

    In any case, use of such stilted language in public forums does not help get them any positive consideration in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjmillig View Post
    ...... the way I feel when I drive. My blood pressure seems to go up, I begin to lose my temper, and my patience decreases noticeably.
    That isn't stress. what you've described is a phobia. You should share that with your doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    That isn't stress. what you've described is a phobia. You should share that with your doctor.
    As a psychologist, I'm going to have to say that you're both wrong. Based on the info we have here, let's just say he feels anxious and leave the diagnosis to a professional who has performed a thorough assessment. And I'm not saying that he needs to see or should see a professional!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    Some members of the Vehicular Cycling sect refer to themselves as "bicycle drivers".
    Well if you think about it's the only one that you actually really do "drive" with your legs.....others just step on a pedal or twist a throttle.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    As a psychologist, I'm going to have to say that you're both wrong. Based on the info we have here, let's just say he feels anxious and leave the diagnosis to a professional who has performed a thorough assessment. And I'm not saying that he needs to see or should see a professional!
    So adult onset anxiety is something he should mention to his doctor.... or something he should withhold from his doctor? In your professional opinion.

    Or... are you saying this is something that is best left undetermined? The OP is obviously uncomfortable. Whether a person deals with their fears in conventional ways... or with medical intervention... ether way fear is fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    So adult onset anxiety is something he should mention to his doctor.... or something he should withhold from his doctor? In your professional opinion.

    Or... are you saying this is something that is best left undetermined? The OP is obviously uncomfortable. Whether a person deals with their fears in conventional ways... or with medical intervention... ether way fear is fear.
    Driving is stressful. I don't understand what a medical intervention has to do with an almost universal reaction to a specific activity.

    Not sure if it's been posted before, but the video at the bottom of this article is relevant.
    http://www.chron.com/cars/article/MI...as-4591501.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodsBassist View Post
    Driving is stressful. I don't understand what a medical intervention has to do with an almost universal reaction to a specific activity.
    I am an older person.... I know a LOT of people. I don't know a single soul who finds driving to be particularly stressful... with the exception of a couple people who have always experienced stress when driving. The OP posted he/she apparently recently experienced new physical and emotion problems associated with this "normal" activity.

    "I've come to really dislike driving........ I hate the way I feel when I drive. My blood pressure seems to go up, I begin to lose......"


    Unexplained changes... whether it's changes in a warts color... or an unexplained fear great enough to cause physical changes (like in blood pressure). Is most certainly something I'd take to my doctor. My God man.... who lives in such fear... and accepts that as normal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    I am an older person.... I know a LOT of people. I don't know a single soul who finds driving to be particularly stressful... with the exception of a couple people who have always experienced stress when driving. The OP posted he/she apparently recently experienced new physical and emotion problems associated with this "normal" activity.

    "I've come to really dislike driving........ I hate the way I feel when I drive. My blood pressure seems to go up, I begin to lose......"


    Unexplained changes... whether it's changes in a warts color... or an unexplained fear great enough to cause physical changes (like in blood pressure). Is most certainly something I'd take to my doctor. My God man.... who lives in such fear... and accepts that as normal?
    You are way overthinking this, IMO. And the thought that you don't know anybody who feels anxious about driving is preposterous. Have you taken a poll or survey of all your friends?

    My more frivolous thought was that somebody would go to the doctor complaining of anxiety while driving. The doctor would give him a prescription. When he got the pills, the poor guy would find a label on the bottle: "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery while taking this medication."



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    It has been proven that driving is stressful whether people realize it or not. Stress affects different people different ways, and different people deal with stress in different ways. Just because one person reacts a certain way to a particular stress situation doesn't necessarily mean that they need to see a doctor. I know one guy that has nerves of steel when it comes to just about everything... but the sight of his own blood, for some reason it totally freaks him out. Funny thing is he works an a Paramedic... go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    .... I know one guy that has nerves of steel when it comes to just about everything... but the sight of his own blood, for some reason it totally freaks him out. Funny thing is he works an a Paramedic... go figure.
    Make perfect sense to me! Hemophobia... is the fear of blood... that includes OTHER peoples blood. The fear associated with only one's OWN blood is somewhat different. But I'd bet he brought that into adulthood from his childhood. NOT developed that as an adult. And... it's a pretty common phobia too. That why in first aid we were taught to always get the person seated or grounded before treating them. So if/when they faint they don't bust their head open.

    But your right! Almost everyone has some irrational fear [AKA phobia] of some sort that they drag with them into there adult behavior... left over from childhood fears. It is perfectly normal!

    However.... an adult developing a new fear [phobia]... independent of rational thought? Yes it does happen! I've known two people to develop such phobias. Both ended up completely house bound before they decided to seek help.

    If it's OK... acceptable... to shun driving because of a new irrational and untreated fear.... does the OP give up bicycling next week due to a fear of dog bites? When does enough... become enough? The OP is desperate enough to post here on this public forum. I think he knows this is progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    You are way overthinking this, IMO. And the thought that you don't know anybody who feels anxious about driving is preposterous.
    Me over-thinking this? I am NOT the OP! Are you suggesting the OP is exaggerating his problem? Maybe your willing to poo-poo his public cry for help... I am not.

    And no... I really don't know anybody who feels particularly anxious about driving, or flying, shopping in stores, or walking down streets.

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    I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or trolling.

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    I got all of my driving lessons from alcoholics and crackheads, but over time I got decent at it. I'm still nonplussed when I (rarely) do it in cities. Way to big.


    The car I used to get my license in only had 1 mirror hanging off the side the rear doors and windows didn't move, the passengers front side wasnt far behind and there was no turn signal. Eventually you had to crawl in if you wanted to be a passenger.
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