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    I moved to Colorado Springs a couple years ago from Knoxville TN and have not looked back since. I work in the cycling industry and there are FAR more opportunities here and a great cycling culture as well. Since moving I have been able to go from just working in a retail bike shop to working for an actual bike manufacturer as head wheelbuilder (among other things) which is lots of fun and being on the "inside" of the industry has its advantages

    I have always wanted to live in Colorado but most of the cities here are simply too freaking expensive for someone trying to make a career out of the bike industry. Colorado Springs is pretty affordable, good (great compared to TN) bike infrastructure with more and more being built all the time, hundreds of miles of single track I can get to without a car, most of the people are pretty friendly as well.

    The only way I would make a big move now would be if it was out of country, as far as places I have seen in the states I really really like it here. I have thought about the Pacific North West but have talked to a few people who have lived there, they liked it, but did not make it sound much better (if any) than here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    I moved to Colorado Springs a couple years ago from Knoxville TN and have not looked back since. I work in the cycling industry and there are FAR more opportunities here and a great cycling culture as well. Since moving I have been able to go from just working in a retail bike shop to working for an actual bike manufacturer as head wheelbuilder (among other things) which is lots of fun and being on the "inside" of the industry has its advantages

    I have always wanted to live in Colorado but most of the cities here are simply too freaking expensive for someone trying to make a career out of the bike industry. Colorado Springs is pretty affordable, good (great compared to TN) bike infrastructure with more and more being built all the time, hundreds of miles of single track I can get to without a car, most of the people are pretty friendly as well.
    Glad you like the area. I once spent two weeks there and was glad to leave because my skin started itching from the dry air and continued to itch the whole time until I left. Never had that problem anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Glad you like the area. I once spent two weeks there and was glad to leave because my skin started itching from the dry air and continued to itch the whole time until I left. Never had that problem anywhere else.
    Luckily the dry air has not given me as many problems but it certainly took some getting used too. Things like temperature do not mean the same here as they do in the very humid TN, I also found myself not drinking nearly enough water when I first moved here, especially on hard rides. I was fooled by the obvious problem of judging how much you should drink by how much you are sweating, dumb mistake but it was something that I never had to think of before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    Wow!! I'm so surprised that many of you are thinking about changing cities or even your country.

    I'd be reluctant to move cities just for better cycling. I'd be reluctant to leave friends and/or family behind.

    I moved countries a little over 4 years ago.

    My family is scattered over 3 countries ... good excuse to travel.





    And something which you might want to consider ... shopping.

    One of the "opportunities" we were looking for was shopping. The small town we lived in had a small grocery store, 2 smallish hardware stores, and a few other shops. But there were always things which we couldn't get there, and most things were expensive.

    We would make a list and about once a month or so, we would drive 200 km round trip to one of the nearby cities to do our shopping. We would try to combine the trip with other things, like cycling somewhere different, etc., but still ... that trip took up quite a bit of time.

    Now, we can swing by a shopping centre on the way home from work.


    You say you've got shopping close by now, but that you wouldn't if you moved downtown. Think carefully about that. How often do shop? Would you end up having to spend a lot of time doing what takes you minutes now?

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    I would say stay put better to know the devil as the grass is never greener

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnershcyclist View Post
    I would say stay put better to know the devil as the grass is never greener
    Depends on the devil...

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    The devil is the devil you can skin it which ever way

    Quote Originally Posted by wahoonc View Post
    Depends on the devil...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machka View Post
    You say you've got shopping close by now, but that you wouldn't if you moved downtown. Think carefully about that. How often do shop? Would you end up having to spend a lot of time doing what takes you minutes now?
    Yes, yes and yes. Buying food would be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surreal View Post
    It must be rad to commute by helicopter, but it seems like it may be expensive...
    He did a careful cost analysis, and found it was cheaper than the car.



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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    Yes, yes and yes. Buying food would be an issue.
    But keep in mind that distance isn't the only issue when it comes to riding to the store. Convenience, comfort, and safety are also important factors. I used to live less than 1/2 mile from a Kroger supermarket that was located on a busy arterial street. Most of the time, I would ride 6 miles to another independent supermarket instead. The ride to the faraway market was a beautiful journey on the Rivertrail, not a traffic jam with tricky left turns on a five lane road. I only went to Kroger when it was raining or I was in a hurry.


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    What's wrong with 5 lane arterial roadways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harshbarj View Post
    I have given it great thought over the years, and would LOVE to move. My first choice would be Denmark, Likely in Copenhagen. Otherwise there is always the Netherlands and Amsterdam. Within the United states I guess NYC is a good choice(I like dense urban). I'm just not keen on the American obsession with safety equipment so I would rather leave if given the option. I have had snobs pull over in their cars and ask me where my helmet was, in which I asked where their was? This kind of thing just would not happen in Denmark, or even the Netherlands. Wearing a helmet would get you questions there. I already have the proper bicycle, so I'm set!
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    Quote Originally Posted by surreal View Post
    It must be rad to commute by helicopter, but it seems like it may be expensive...
    Expense is in the eye of the earner. If you earn a couple of million dollars a year, the helicopter is nothing. In fact, if you translate it in solely financial terms, the helicopter, for a millionaire earning quadruple digits a day may be very very efficient.
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    Cities are dynamic, and they change, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.

    Hobart, which is my home city, has changed a little since I left eight years ago. The cycling infrastructure, generally, has improved, and there are definitely are many more people commuting to work by bicycle than when I was doing it with maybe 20 or 30 back in 2000-2005.

    But like most cities, you either hate or love it. I love it. It is compact, doesn't have the hassle of bigger cities, is more expansive in culture and employment opportunities than a small country town, and still has a certain "community" about it. It also has a lot of aquatic activities, and having grown up virtually on the river and sailed and boated for much of my life, Hobart has a lot of attraction in that sense.

    I've been fairly mobile since my first marriage ended. I've lived in Perth, Western Australia, Cairns in Far North Queensland, in Victoria, and in Red Deer, Alberta. I've travelled to other parts of the world, and some of those places have been very attractive, too. Who knows where I might end up next... but Hobart certainly is a nice base from which to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnershcyclist View Post
    The devil is the devil you can skin it which ever way
    I'd hate to see this thread get cast into the eternal fires of Politics and Religion. That said, not everybody wants to move to where the grass is greener. Look at how fast Phoenix is growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plustax View Post
    What's wrong with 5 lane arterial roadways?
    Nothing, if they're properly set up for non-motor users. Which they rarely are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by plustax View Post
    What's wrong with 5 lane arterial roadways?
    Around here they use them for target practice... on pedestrians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriskmurray View Post
    I moved to Colorado Springs a couple years ago from Knoxville TN and have not looked back since. I work in the cycling industry and there are FAR more opportunities here and a great cycling culture as well. Since moving I have been able to go from just working in a retail bike shop to working for an actual bike manufacturer as head wheelbuilder (among other things) which is lots of fun and being on the "inside" of the industry has its advantages

    I have always wanted to live in Colorado but most of the cities here are simply too freaking expensive for someone trying to make a career out of the bike industry. Colorado Springs is pretty affordable, good (great compared to TN) bike infrastructure with more and more being built all the time, hundreds of miles of single track I can get to without a car, most of the people are pretty friendly as well.
    ....
    I just have to say, this post is chock-full of "win". This is really awesome; good for you. I want to move to the bike industry so bad, but the opportunities here are limited to retail drone, co-op volunteer, or maybe I could possibly work for Fuji/SE in Phila. Next closest possibility is in middleton, PA (115miles from my current location.) So, I guess I'm stuck doing what I do now, for now...

    I get it if you don't wanna divulge, but which manufacturer are you building wheels for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surreal View Post
    I just have to say, this post is chock-full of "win". This is really awesome; good for you. I want to move to the bike industry so bad, but the opportunities here are limited to retail drone, co-op volunteer, or maybe I could possibly work for Fuji/SE in Phila. Next closest possibility is in middleton, PA (115miles from my current location.) So, I guess I'm stuck doing what I do now, for now...

    I get it if you don't wanna divulge, but which manufacturer are you building wheels for?
    I don't mind saying who, I am always hesitant simply because I don't want to come across as spamming. I build wheels for borealis bikes. It is my first time doing this much volume but I am still enjoying it. Today I just unpacked about 7,500 spokes and they will go much quicker than you would think and there really is only two of us who really focus on wheels.... If you really want into the inside of the bike industry Colorado Springs is not a bad place to be. Sram has a testing facility here, SRM is here, Borealis (who also owns fatbike.com) is here, Spectrum is here, another company that can not be named just came and toured our shop and is considering moving here. We actually have a small, task force I guess you could call them, who simply focuses on trying to get bicycle related businesses to move here, not to mention all the great riding and a 14k ft mountain literally in our back yard.

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    One of my long-term goals is to live in Europe at some point. Maybe to stay. I think I'd really like Norway.

    What I think I'd love about it:
    1. Lots of winter/night.
    2. People who are more reserved than here.
    3. Outdoorsy lifestyle.

    The desire to move somewhere that's not the US (at least for a time, who knows if I'd stay forever) is one of the reasons I'm going back to school to get a physics degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kookaburra1701 View Post
    The desire to move somewhere that's not the US (at least for a time, who knows if I'd stay forever) is one of the reasons I'm going back to school to get a physics degree.
    I left the States nearly a quarter of a century ago and have absolutely no desire to go back, despite the economic problems here in Spain. If I did move, I'd probably head for northern Europe. Norway certainly sounds nice, as does the Netherlands. Groningen sounds like my kind of town. Dare I say it? MIND BLOWING! No, I've never been to either place, so I suppose I'll be hauled over the coals by certain well-heeled, well-travelled posters for saying something positive about these places that I've never visited.





    Good luck with your physics degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    Good luck with your physics degree.
    Thanks! In addition to enjoying the subject, that seemed to be what most American ex-pats I encountered on the interwebs have, so I figured I'd go for it.
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    I'd head out to Colorado. Denver/Boise area. Or the high mountains, right next to a ski resort. Almost moved to Eagle Vale 3 years ago but life got in the way.
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    I'm expecting a job offer from Malmö, Sweden next week. It's very close to Copenhagen both geographically and culturally. If I go, I definitely won't be buying or bringing a car. This is the most exciting and unexpected thing that's ever happened to me.

    Realistically, that probably puts me moving after spending the holidays with family, unless I can grease the skids at the consulate. Only after selling all/most of my stuff in the meantime. To Sweden. From San Jose. In January... I guess I'll know really quickly if I can tolerate the winter!

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    "Are you considering moving? Where would you go?" Yes. Someplace warmer.

    I've been pricing different methods of moving. None are cheap for somebody who doesn't own a van. The local mover said to move just ten large boxes would be a minimum of $2100. This move is over 1000 miles. A company that hauls peoples stuff in pods said the minimum would be $1298. The smallest Uhaul van will cost $1350 if I drive it and stay in hotels for four cheap nights during the trip. Once I get rid of the things I don't want to move I'll need to do an inventory and financial accounting of the actual value of these things. If they are less than the price of shipping them then it would make sense to just give them away and buy new things in the new location.

    There are two more methods for me to investigate. One is to rent a car one way and pack my things in it. The other is to use Fedex to ship my things. I'll travel via bus. Before I can do that I must finish paring the items I don't want from my storage unit. Once I know the size of the move I'll know how many boxes I'll need to ship. Then I'll be able to calculate the shipping cost.

    Right now I'm more interested in avoiding cold weather than having great bicycle and walking infrastructure. I can cope with anything on the roads while on my bicycle. It's just nice to have bicycle lanes and pedestrian bridges. On Halloween night I rolled around town on my Xooter. I had to watch out for ice patches and wet spots because it snowed on Sunday and Monday nights.
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