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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianFly View Post
    I would move right back into my parents basement. Not much to see or do but I could quit my job and sleep till noon every single day.
    I don't think my father would have problems with it, but my step-mother wouldn't stand for it for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekdog View Post
    I left the States nearly a quarter of a century ago and have absolutely no desire to go back, despite the economic problems here in Spain. If I did move, I'd probably head for northern Europe. Norway certainly sounds nice, as does the Netherlands. Groningen sounds like my kind of town. Dare I say it? MIND BLOWING! No, I've never been to either place, so I suppose I'll be hauled over the coals by certain well-heeled, well-travelled posters for saying something positive about these places that I've never visited.





    Good luck with your physics degree.
    Nice Video.

    I'm surprised no one said anthing about this video. I guess people are tired of hearing about the good life! LOL

    It's such a young population that I would feel strange at this point living in a college town. The only thing I would miss is all the public transit since you're practically locked into a bicycle system of transportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
    Nice Video.

    I'm surprised no one said anthing about this video. I guess people are tired of hearing about the good life! LOL

    It's such a young population that I would feel strange at this point living in a college town. The only thing I would miss is all the public transit since you're practically locked into a bicycle system of transportation.
    I don't mind being around young folks, and I imagine there is public transit for those who want to use it. Being 'locked into a bicyle system of transportation' is a 'problem' I'd like to have to deal with.
    Gimme that car-free living!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    How could you do that? You'd need to get an EU visa to live in either country.
    Not hard to do at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Actually, yes it does. Outside of the English speaking countries, helmet use is very low (mostly under 20%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by harshbarj View Post
    Actually, yes it does. Outside of the English speaking countries, helmet use is very low (mostly under 20%).
    In all my travels through Europe, I have never been asked about my helmet or why I wear it.

    I conjecture that one of the things that has removed desire to question it has been the compulsory wearing of helmets in the Grand Tours, as in the Tour, the Giro and the Vuelta... and of course those events do cross all borders.

    Helmet use is one debate. Being asked why one is wearing a helmet is entirely another issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harshbarj View Post
    I have given it great thought over the years, and would LOVE to move. My first choice would be Denmark, Likely in Copenhagen. Otherwise there is always the Netherlands and Amsterdam. Within the United states I guess NYC is a good choice(I like dense urban). I'm just not keen on the American obsession with safety equipment so I would rather leave if given the option. I have had snobs pull over in their cars and ask me where my helmet was, in which I asked where their was? This kind of thing just would not happen in Denmark, or even the Netherlands. Wearing a helmet would get you questions there. I already have the proper bicycle, so I'm set!
    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by harshbarj View Post
    Actually, yes it does. Outside of the English speaking countries, helmet use is very low (mostly under 20%).
    We've cycled in The Netherlands (and elsewhere throughout Europe) ... wearing helmets ... and no one has questioned it. No one has expressed any negativity toward us for wearing helmets.



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    Did you see a lot of other riders wearing helmets in continental Europe? Were most helmet wearers locals or tourists?


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    The majority weren't wearing helmets. And it's not something I took much notice of.

    But that's not the issue here. It's the statement that people would question someone for wearing a helmet. They didn't with us. At all. Not even laughed behind our backs. Or pointed derisive fingers.

    We had a group of English touring cycllists zip past us in the Netherlands on the Rhine Route. The English are portrayed as being not supportive of helmets, but they all had them on. Frequently, we would pass recreational cyclists on the Rhine Route in the Netherlands and Germany with probably 60%, maybe even 70% wearing helmets.

    In Amsterdam, no so much.

    One of the reasons for the acceptance, as I pointed out before, is the compulsory wearing of helmets in bike races, even at local level in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. Bike racing is a big-time sport there, I'd say probably on a par with ice hockey or baseball in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Did you see a lot of other riders wearing helmets in continental Europe?
    With the "invisible" helmets, it's difficult to say. Were there many riders with bulky scarfs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Frequently, we would pass recreational cyclists on the Rhine Route in the Netherlands and Germany with probably 60%, maybe even 70% wearing helmets.

    In Amsterdam, no so much.
    Not so much? True. To be a little more precise my estimate would be less than 1% anywhere in The Netherlands and almost invariably with expensive panniers and a touring bike with drop handlebars, the sure sign in any Dutch city of "somebody from not around here."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    One of the reasons for the acceptance, as I pointed out before, is the compulsory wearing of helmets in bike races, even at local level in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. Bike racing is a big-time sport there, I'd say probably on a par with ice hockey or baseball in the US.
    The difference is that usually in Europe, bike commuters and those who use bicycles to get around town are able to distinguish the difference between stuff needed or desirable for racing, and their own bicycling requirements.

    In the U.S.? Not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Not so much? True. To be a little more precise my estimate would be less than 1% anywhere in The Netherlands and almost invariably with expensive panniers and a touring bike with drop handlebars, the sure sign in any Dutch city of "somebody from not around here."
    There is no precision in estimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    There is no precision in estimates.
    Including your own estimates in a previous post?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Including your own estimates in a previous post?
    Which post are your referring to out of more than 11,000?

    And only if I used "precise", "precisely" or "more precisely".
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    Intersting post, and as a guy that will eventually retire this is something I like to day dream about. My desire to move is monumental. I stay where I am because of occupation and schools. My specific community is pretty nice for all sorts of cycling. That being said when I do move job opportunites won't need to be a factor. So my ideal place to move to would be one of the Colorado communites where the cost of living hasn't gone crazy. Where my children settle will decide where I do end up moving to so here's my secret. Don't tell anybody. Ok? South western Wisconsin. West and south of I-90 but north of the wisconsin river. Bike till your heart is content. Live rural but 15 minutes from grocery/hardware stores, hospitals, etc. Then again there's always the Michigan thing, getting to know that state better and it seems quite nice and the people there are very nice.
    Good luck to you OP, have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodag View Post
    Live rural but 15 minutes from grocery/hardware stores, hospitals, etc.
    This probably isn't rural... It sounds like a city to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    This probably isn't rural... It sounds like a city to me.
    Rural township. Depicts very well the last town we lived in. It would be quite easy to live on a 100-acre block and be within 15 minutes bike ride of the town centre that had a hardware shop, supermarket, hairdressers, clothing shops and so on.

    Unless you classify a city as anything above 2,000 people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Rural township. Depicts very well the last town we lived in. It would be quite easy to live on a 100-acre block and be within 15 minutes bike ride of the town centre that had a hardware shop, supermarket, hairdressers, clothing shops and so on.

    Unless you classify a city as anything above 2,000 people.
    100 acres and a 15 minute ride to the center? This concept is growing rarer and rarer around here. Most rural folks have big trucks and drive a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    There is no precision in estimates.
    Cute way of mincing the words and avoiding the issue of your misleading estimates.

    There also doesn't seem to be much accuracy in your estimates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    Rural township. Depicts very well the last town we lived in. It would be quite easy to live on a 100-acre block and be within 15 minutes bike ride of the town centre that had a hardware shop, supermarket, hairdressers, clothing shops and so on.

    Unless you classify a city as anything above 2,000 people.
    We've still got some of those here in OR. Of course, the folks who live in/near them all jump into their SUV/pick-up and commute to the nearest city for work/food/entertainment. I consider them to be suburbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
    Cute way of mincing the words and avoiding the issue of your misleading estimates.

    There also doesn't seem to be much accuracy in your estimates.
    That really is a bit rich coming from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    This probably isn't rural... It sounds like a city to me.
    You asked, I answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    100 acres and a 15 minute ride to the center? This concept is growing rarer and rarer around here. Most rural folks have big trucks and drive a lot.
    Most of the population in Victoria live in Melbourne. Outside of Melbourne, the next largest "cities" are actually quite small. A person could live just outside Shepparton on an acreage, farm, or orchard, for example, quite rurally, and be into the Bunnings Hardware within about 15 minutes. Shepparton is a comparatively large city at about 43,000 people, but it would only take moments to be rural.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population

    And yes, of course, most people would drive ... but living rurally and cycling into town could still be done quite easily if you were so inclined.

    That's actually close to an ideal sort of living situation for me too ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerv View Post
    100 acres and a 15 minute ride to the center? This concept is growing rarer and rarer around here. Most rural folks have big trucks and drive a lot.
    I lived for a short time in a "city" of about 9,000 people. It had a hospital, a Walmart, a Meijer store, and, yes, a small hospital. It was about 18 miles from the nearest "big" city of Lansing, MI. There was some ugly sprawl along the main highway, but you could easily hop on a bike and be in the totally rural countryside within ten minutes. Surely you have many towns like that in Iowa?


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