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Dahon.Steve 12-10-13 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16317765)
What would you estimate is the closest home or hotel to the stadium?

The closest hotel to the stadium would be the Hilton in East Rutherford about 1 mile. First, there is no way to get to that Hotel by bicycle or walking since there are no sidewalks and only ramps! If you did manage to get to this hotel, there are more high speed ramps that lead into the stadium but you would have to be very brave to do this! LOL!

B. Carfree 12-10-13 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 16319527)
Maybe Nike and U of O owner Phil Knight will; get the Game in Eugene at Autzen

for B Carfree's convenience

I looooove the UO football games at Autzen because for three or four hours all the local drunks are either glued to a TV, stuck in the parking lot or sitting inside the stadium. I joyously ride my bike without any traffic.

I don't think I would get that same benefit if Uncle Phil expanded the stadium again to fit a Superbowl-size crowd. Besides, the fans all hog the bike paths getting to/from the games. I guess we have a shortage of expressways.:D

jon c. 12-10-13 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16317765)
What would you estimate is the closest home or hotel to the stadium?

There is a hotel within half a mile from an entrance to the complex. But the complex is huge. Might be a mile from that entrance to the stadium itself.

Dahon.Steve 12-10-13 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes (Post 16318670)
Gosh, I do wish that this part of New Jersey was more like Eugene, Oregon.
FAHGETTABOUTIT !
I guess we could let people walk across Route 3... but NJ drivers don't stop much for pedestrians where they don't belong... and no one is really walking on the New Jersey Turnpike much, either.

One has to realize that the Meadowlands Stadium was built in a swamp where our industrial forefathers dumped lots of toxic stuff and no one walked there for years, except maybe Euell Gibbons and Jimmy Hoffa's killers. Now, I guess you could walk across one of the highway off ramp / entry ramps that have no sidewalks. And those ramps don't have sidewalks because they're not connected to any place that people walk. We're talking swampland, a bit of heavy industrial (think big press machines crushing old car bodies) and highways.

The question is not really "why can't you?" ... but "why would you?" Anyone from around this part of NY / NJ thinks it's kinda funny that walking to the game would occur to anyone. And you do NOT want to be the last guy at the tailgate...

Guys! Alot of people feel the carfree are not able to enter this stadium. Nonsense! NJ Transit only charges $16.00 dollars round trip to Metlife stadium. Just because we are carfree does not mean we are bike dependant only.

The Giants and Jets were lucky to thrive in the Meadowlands because the lack of foot traffic made it impossible for the Nets and Devils to develope a fan base. Both teams left the sprawl and are now in cities.

B. Carfree 12-10-13 08:27 PM

I'm a bit confused that everyone here seems to think that sidewalks are necessary in order for a person to walk along a road. Do they have alligators in the ditches or are your motorists really so awful that they will hit you on the shoulder? Or do you not even have shoulders? Maybe the little joke about the (L)east coast is too true. Here in the west, most of our roads don't have sidewalks, but it is not uncommon to see people walking along them, although it is becoming rarer as our population gets larger, if you know what I mean.

GeoKrpan 12-10-13 08:59 PM

Does not surprise me. Would have been more surprised if they accomodated peds and bikes.

Rode back into the US from Tijuana. It was the hot ticket. Didn't have to wait in the car traffic lanes or the pedestrian lines, which were a nightmare. When we got to the ped lines and they opened up a gate just for the two of us.

GeoKrpan 12-10-13 09:14 PM

Excerpt from "Radiant City". That's James Howard Kunstler. I went to see him speak at Art Center Pasadena, not far from the Rose Bowl. I was the only one who arrived via bicycle. It was not long after his book came out "The Long Emergency" about peak oil.



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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16316994)
It sounds like you haven't done much walking in America.

Not only many, but most of the suburban arterial roads are inaccessible to most pedestrians. They have no sidewalks. Dirt paths might be ok for you if you're a young adult in good condition. But they're not so great for the elderly, the blind, the slow, or anybody who has balance or gait problems. Would you want your child walking to school on these busy roads? How does an elderly person with a little shopping cart manage it? How does anybody do it when the crappy path has snow on it for five months of the year? Why should you even have to ruin your shoes in the mud after every rainfall?

The newer roads are designed with intersections that have merges and diverges instead of signal controlled pedestrian crossings. These are death traps for pedestrians. If there are controlled ped crossings, they might be a mile apart. For an obese or an elderly person, that might require them to walk an hour out of their way just to cross the street. When they do get there, the signal might not allow them enough time to cross the seven lane street, forcing them to stand in the center lane for an entire traffic cycle.

Hundreds of pedestrians have been killed on these roads, so you're right that the relative joy level is low. Most roads in the suburbs were designed exclusively for cars and trucks, and getting the maximum motor vehicle throughput in the minimum space. All other users are assumed not to even exist. Then the planners say, "We don't need pedestrian facilities here because there are no pedestrians here." It's ****ing ridiculous.


GeoKrpan 12-10-13 09:23 PM

Football - the icon of the bully culture. The money talks bullshi* walks, shi* flows downhill, school of hard knocks, never give a sucker a even break crowd.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16318531)
Oh do tell, what is the LCFC (Living Car Free Correctness) approved activity to watch or play? Inquiring minds want to know what the elite think is the Right Game for the Righteous.


GeoKrpan 12-10-13 09:32 PM

Ha, you CAN cycle to the Rose Bowl, I lived in Pasadena for years and cycled there many times on Rose Bowl day. But, look out, the cars are full of football fans.

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16319549)
I do wish I was going to the Rose Bowl this year. Maybe I'll just burn my couch instead. :D


StanSeven 12-10-13 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16319676)
I'm a bit confused that everyone here seems to think that sidewalks are necessary in order for a person to walk along a road.

It's our lawsuit crazy society. If someone has struck by a car or bus in the parking lot, they want to sue. Not only is the driver responsible but the stadium ownership. The argument would be the stadium grounds didn't adequately provide safe means to pedestrians. So it's easier and cheaper to ban walking.

I-Like-To-Bike 12-11-13 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16319549)
I do wish I was going to the Rose Bowl this year. Maybe I'll just burn my couch instead. :D

Just do it! Should be a good game. Go Spartans!

I-Like-To-Bike 12-11-13 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoKrpan (Post 16319836)
Football - the icon of the bully culture. The money talks bullshi* walks, shi* flows downhill, school of hard knocks, never give a sucker a even break crowd.

How 'bout racing against other cyclists who don't know they are in a race; and then crowing about your "scalping" accomplishments? Does that sound like the right sport for wimps? Or maybe a round or two of D&D is more appropriate.

Then again how about a nice game of Chess?

Roody 12-11-13 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by StanSeven (Post 16319975)
It's our lawsuit crazy society. If someone has struck by a car or bus in the parking lot, they want to sue. Not only is the driver responsible but the stadium ownership. The argument would be the stadium grounds didn't adequately provide safe means to pedestrians. So it's easier and cheaper to ban walking.

What about all the people who park their cars and then walk to the stadium entrance? They couldn't sue?

Also, if a driver carelessly hit a pedestrian and injured him/her, why is it "lawsuit crazy" that the injured person would sue? That's what the civil justice system is for, and it isn't only in our society. Personal injury lawsuits happen in almost every society in the world, at least since the time of the Roman Empire, if not longer.

plustax 12-11-13 07:36 AM

On coud argue it's a brutal sport.

I prefer playing sports as opposed too watching them (and that includes cycling :))

I-Like-To-Bike 12-11-13 10:15 AM

Maybe the Super Bowl fans in attendance on Feb 2 can enjoy a real winter spectacle like last weekend.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-s...s-2013-12?op=1

GeoKrpan 12-11-13 11:35 AM

You're still stinging from the drubbing you took in the Geek Hunting threads.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16320126)
How 'bout racing against other cyclists who don't know they are in a race; and then crowing about your "scalping" accomplishments? Does that sound like the right sport for wimps? Or maybe a round or two of D&D is more appropriate.

Then again how about a nice game of Chess?


I-Like-To-Bike 12-11-13 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoKrpan (Post 16321193)
You're still stinging from the drubbing you took in the Geek Hunting threads.

"Drubbing?"Ya mean that thread was a contest too where you and other similar types scalp those unwary of the rules that you make up to amuse yourself. Neat game, you should work on Wall Street.

Nightshade 12-11-13 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16318531)
Oh do tell, what is the LCFC (Living Car Free Correctness) approved activity to watch or play? Inquiring minds want to know what the elite think is the Right Game for the Righteous.

Any game that does not involve deliberate brutal personal contact i.e. Soccer, Baseball, basketball etc.

Football, as played today, is one small step away from blood and guts Gladiator games of Roman times.

enigmaT120 12-11-13 04:27 PM

I like the brutality. I just don't like team sports.

GeoKrpan 12-11-13 04:35 PM

The OP of the Geek Hunting threads clearly and repeatedly stated that there is a long standing tradition of competition on the course.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16321611)
"Drubbing?"Ya mean that thread was a contest too where you and other similar types scalp those unwary of the rules that you make up to amuse yourself. Neat game, you should work on Wall Street.


ricebowl 12-11-13 04:46 PM

:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Nightshade (Post 16321830)

Football, as played today, is one small step away from blood and guts Gladiator games of Roman times.


blacknbluebikes 12-12-13 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by B. Carfree (Post 16319676)
I'm a bit confused that everyone here seems to think that sidewalks are necessary in order for a person to walk along a road. Do they have alligators in the ditches or are your motorists really so awful that they will hit you on the shoulder? Or do you not even have shoulders? Maybe the little joke about the (L)east coast is too true. Here in the west, most of our roads don't have sidewalks, but it is not uncommon to see people walking along them, although it is becoming rarer as our population gets larger, if you know what I mean.

No, sidewalks aren't necessary to walk on a road. And many many roads, even in New Jersey, do get walked, quite a bit. Country roads, suburban and small town roads, you betcha.

But in this case, we're talking about roads that fit in this catagory: "Yes, Sir, I guess you can walk on that road, but only a fool would walk on that road." If a road is built for 65mph, limited shoulder, limited access, not even a rest stop, barely space to pull your car over in an emergency, broken glass and scrap metal on the sides, a flimsy guardrail keeping you out of miles of swamp. Well, ooookay... you wanna walk or ride your bike there? really? why would ya? OH yes, to get to the Super Bowl. When you're finished, you can go take a few loops around Newark Airport -- all the Crit guys meet at Terminal C.

I really don't feel that my freedom is impaired because I can't walk or ride my bike on the New Jersey Turnpike. So jaded.

I-Like-To-Bike 12-12-13 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 (Post 16322163)
I like the brutality. I just don't like team sports.

Boxing may be a sport more to your liking. Perhaps bull, cock or dog fighting if you prefer the more earthy type of blood sport pagentry.

enigmaT120 12-12-13 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 16324694)
Boxing may be a sport more to your liking. Perhaps bull, cock or dog fighting if you prefer the more earthy type of blood sport pagentry.

The first is kind of fun. The others remind me that I forgot to say that I don't care for spectator sports, either. I guess I just can't see what fun it is to watch other people have fun.

Roody 12-12-13 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes (Post 16324623)
No, sidewalks aren't necessary to walk on a road. And many many roads, even in New Jersey, do get walked, quite a bit. Country roads, suburban and small town roads, you betcha.

But in this case, we're talking about roads that fit in this catagory: "Yes, Sir, I guess you can walk on that road, but only a fool would walk on that road." If a road is built for 65mph, limited shoulder, limited access, not even a rest stop, barely space to pull your car over in an emergency, broken glass and scrap metal on the sides, a flimsy guardrail keeping you out of miles of swamp. Well, ooookay... you wanna walk or ride your bike there? really? why would ya? OH yes, to get to the Super Bowl. When you're finished, you can go take a few loops around Newark Airport -- all the Crit guys meet at Terminal C.

I really don't feel that my freedom is impaired because I can't walk or ride my bike on the New Jersey Turnpike. So jaded.

I think you're getting a little silly now. Even if it is humanly possible to walk on it, a road in an urbanized area is not considered walkable unless it has a sidewalk and controlled crosswalks at reasonable intervals.


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