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Old 12-17-13, 12:40 AM   #76
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Station sharpshooters on the Grassy Knoll near the stadium?
Then somebody should notice sooner or later. Let's keep a close eye on twitter.
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By what means would they guarantee a close game?
I don't know. I won't be at the game, but I expect it to be a closegame that won't be decided until the last minute
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I don't know. I won't be at the game, but I expect it to be a closegame that won't be decided until the last minute
The only way I can imagine they could guarantee such as thing would be to pay off some of the players. If that's what you're implying, why don't you just come out and say it?
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The only way I can imagine they could guarantee such as thing would be to pay off some of the players. If that's what you're implying, why don't you just come out and say it?
It would be libel if I said that without proof. All I am saying is that I sense, or have a feeling that these games are somehow managed or scripted to keep the audience glued to the screen. I am reporting my impressions only. Also does it really matter if the superbowl is scripted or not? After all Pro Wrestling is still entertaining to its fans; and when we go to see a play like Hamlet, we know how it will end.

Tell me in February if my prediction is right.
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The only way I can imagine they could guarantee such as thing would be to pay off some of the players.
Or a coach or referee.
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Also does it really matter if the superbowl is scripted or not? After all Pro Wrestling is still entertaining to its fans; and when we go to see a play like Hamlet, we know how it will end.

Tell me in February if my prediction is right.
It matters to the gamblers betting on the point spread, total points scored and numerous proposition bets, and to the bookmakers who set the spread and handle the action.

What is your prediction anyway? How can we can tell if you are right or wrong?
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I think the fix is in to make sure it's not a close game. We shall see if I'm right or wrong.
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Next they won't let you walk or bike to a NASCAR race track.

I'll make a Superbowl prediction. I don't know who'll be playing, but the game will still be in doubt until the last minute, or if they follow the script correctly, the last seconds.
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What is your prediction anyway? How can we can tell if you are right or wrong?
He seems to have laid it out there.
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They could turn off the lights to try to throw off the team with the momentum
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He seems to have laid it out there.
"Close" is subjective and is so vague as to be meaningless in this context.
The only close that counts is closeness to the point spread or totals. A 13 point lead by a team favored by 14 is real close. If it wins by that "wide" margin, it lost in a close one for its betting supporters.

But I suppose that someone who doesn't give a dang about the game might be unaware that more than a few people have a betting interest in the game.
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But I suppose that someone who doesn't give a dang about the game might be unaware that more than a few people have a betting interest in the game.
I thought the whole point of people still playing football was to generate input for fantasy football leagues.
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I thought the whole point of people still playing football was to generate input for fantasy football leagues.
Could be; I'm still a traditionalist.
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"Close" is subjective and is so vague as to be meaningless in this context.
The only close that counts is closeness to the point spread or totals. A 13 point lead by a team favored by 14 is real close. If it wins by that "wide" margin, it lost in a close one for its betting supporters.

But I suppose that someone who doesn't give a dang about the game might be unaware that more than a few people have a betting interest in the game.
I addition, a 14 point lead is a two score game, and hardly considered close to most gamblers, hell, a 10 point game is outside the realm I would consider close. That said, this got me a little curious, so I looked up the winning margin of all superbowls, and the average winning margin is 14.1 points, aka not a close game. However, if you graph the winning margins, the trend is towards a decreasing winning margin, slope of line being y = -0.1589x+17.92, so the overall winning margin is getting slimmer, so prepare for a nail-biter come the 113th superbowl, with a predicted 0-0 tie. Lowest possible winning margin with actual scoring? Thats the 100th superbowl, with some poor qb getting dropped in the endzone during a defensive standoff. 2-0.
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I addition, a 14 point lead is a two score game, and hardly considered close to most gamblers, hell, a 10 point game is outside the realm I would consider close. That said, this got me a little curious, so I looked up the winning margin of all superbowls, and the average winning margin is 14.1 points, aka not a close game. However, if you graph the winning margins, the trend is towards a decreasing winning margin, slope of line being y = -0.1589x+17.92, so the overall winning margin is getting slimmer, so prepare for a nail-biter come the 113th superbowl, with a predicted 0-0 tie. Lowest possible winning margin with actual scoring? Thats the 100th superbowl, with some poor qb getting dropped in the endzone during a defensive standoff. 2-0.
Naw, it'll be some underpaid offensive tackle with two bad knees getting tagged for offensive holding while the qb is in the end zone. To make matters worse, the 98 yard winning touchdown pass will be nullified by the penalty. He'll be traded to the Oakland raiders for a ball boy and a set of towels in the off-season.
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Only a game that was already close could be nullified by one call of a dishonest official. So what would be the point?
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I addition, a 14 point lead is a two score game, and hardly considered close to most gamblers.
It is real close if the point spread is 13, 14, or 15.
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http://www.metrojacksonville.com/art...ball-stadiums-
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I was looking at the Meadowlands area on google maps. I hate to put down a place, but if ever there was a hell on earth, this must be it. The kind of place where you would want to get in a car just to cross the street.

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I asked whether she knew anyone who had walked to the stadium.

“New Jersey people don’t like to walk from the curb to a restaurant,” Ms. Scala said.


“For people from New York, it’s not that far,” she said, adding, “It’s not cold, as long as you make it before the sun goes down."

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I would say it's not really true that the people from New Jersey are that different from New Yorkers. It's the places that are different. People everywhere do what makes sense in the place where they live.
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The invention of jaywalking

Here's some more information on the concerted efforts to ban pedestrians from the "public" streets by imposing fines for jaywalking:
"...One key turning point, according to Norton, came in 1923 in Cincinnati. Citizens’ anger over pedestrian deaths gave rise to a referendum drive. It gathered some 7,000 signatures in support of a rule that would have required all vehicles in the city to be fitted with speed governors limiting them to 25 miles per hour.

Local auto clubs and dealers recognized that cars would be a lot harder to sell if there was a cap on their speed. So they went into overdrive in their campaign against the initiative. They sent letters to every individual with a car in the city, saying that the rule would condemn the U.S. to the fate of China, which they painted as the world’s most backward nation. They even hired pretty women to invite men to head to the polls and vote against the rule. And the measure failed.

They also got Detroit involved. The automakers banded together to help fight the Cincinnati rule, according to Norton. “And they remained organized after that,” he says.

The industry lobbied to change the law, promoting the adoption of traffic statutes to supplant common law. The statutes were designed to restrict pedestrian use of the street and give primacy to cars. The idea of "jaywalking” – a concept that had not really existed prior to 1920 – was enshrined in law.

The current configuration of the American street, and the rules that govern it, are not the result of some inevitable organic process. "It’s more like a brawl," says Norton. "Where the strongest brawler wins"...
By Sarah Goodyear, from http://www.theatlanticcities.com/com...ywalking/1837/
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Good article.

I stated in my prior response that the only way to bike to MetLife stadium was through Patterson Plank Road. Really folks, why would you drive or take the train to Rutherford New Jersey, then walk down Patterson Plank Road to the Stadium. It's not a short walk and there are no sidewalks so you will be walking on mud and grass. Then you have the entrance that goes into the stadium where you better RUN fast because there's no mud or grass to save you!
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I read the article and Ford Field is highly walkable with full sidewalks leading right into the stadium. MetLife stadium is without question, the most unwalkable stadium in the NFL.
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I read the article and Ford Field is highly walkable with full sidewalks leading right into the stadium. MetLife stadium is without question, the most unwalkable stadium in the NFL.
I believe the stadiums were also being rated for having amenities and services nearby that any fans might want to walk to or from such as hotels, bars, nightlife and eating establishments. The Lincoln Field in Philadelphia is only an easy 5 minute walk from the subway stop but has almost no nearby services and was ranked near the bottom for walkability.
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Station sharpshooters on the Grassy Knoll near the stadium?
Good luck trying to find a grassy knoll near MetLife Stadium.
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Good luck trying to find a grassy knoll near MetLife Stadium.
More likely to find a grassy knoll near MetLife Stadium than any Super Bowl ticket holder who gives a damn about bicycling/walking access to the game.
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More likely to find a grassy knoll near MetLife Stadium than any Super Bowl ticket holder who gives a damn about bicycling/walking access to the game.
When the Super Bowl was held in Detroit, many--maybe most--ticket holders walked from their hotels to Ford Field. Or took the People Mover from more remote downtown locations. Even Americans will often choose to walk when the route is safe, direct, and reasonably pleasant.
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