Stipulated Working Definitions
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Stipulated Working Definitions
Roody asked me to start a thread to collect all of the stipulated working definitions for the Living Car Free sub forum.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
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Roody asked me to start a thread to collect all of the stipulated working definitions for the Living Car Free sub forum.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
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Roody asked me to start a thread to collect all of the stipulated working definitions for the Living Car Free sub forum.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
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I imagine the purpose of this exercise is to allow a person who must use a motor vehicle for work to still call themselves "car-free."
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In the original definition, 'used' seems important. I wonder if people who own inoperable vehicles or own a car but don't drive because of license suspensions would be considered car-free. If people like this are self-sufficient and are not relying upon people with cars for their transportation, I'd be happy to consider them car free. If they're getting rides all the time with friends and family, then probably not.
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My understanding is that by defining car this way, people can live in a recreational vehicle and call themselves "car free".
Apparently this was all established some time ago by the participants of this sub forum. I'm just providing a thread to collect these peculiarities of language so newcomers will be able to translate.
Apparently this was all established some time ago by the participants of this sub forum. I'm just providing a thread to collect these peculiarities of language so newcomers will be able to translate.
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I may be wrong, but I believe the purpose is a dig at me, since I was misquoted and quoted out of context in the OP.
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"On LCF, we have stipulated a working definition of car. A car is a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals. Under this definition, taxis, ambulances, and commercial automobiles are not cars. An RV is a car if it's being used to transport individuals involved in a non-commercial endeavor. When it's sitting more or less permanently in a camping spot, it's not a car. It's a shelter."
Feel free to clarify if I've misunderstood.
And this isn't out of context. You asked me to start this thread:
"If this issue of definitions interests you, please start a new thread on the topic, and allow this thread to return to the subject of living in an RV. If you don't know how to start a thread, PM me and I will be happy to explain it."
I figured out how to start a thread on my own. You're welcome.
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My understanding is that by defining car this way, people can live in a recreational vehicle and call themselves "car free".
Apparently this was all established some time ago by the participants of this sub forum. I'm just providing a thread to collect these peculiarities of language so newcomers will be able to translate.
Apparently this was all established some time ago by the participants of this sub forum. I'm just providing a thread to collect these peculiarities of language so newcomers will be able to translate.
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Roody asked me to start a thread to collect all of the stipulated working definitions for the Living Car Free sub forum.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
car - a privately owned motor vehicle used for the personal transport of individuals for non-commercial endeavors which is not more or less permanently sitting in a camping spot.
From what you quoted: "On LCF, we have stipulated a working definition of car" must be a "royal we".
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Here's a link to the latest of several discussions about defining carfree for the purposes of this forum. There are some good posts from different points of view, also a little pot stirring by a couple people who were later banned from BF.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...carlight-quot/
One point that I'm trying to keep in mind is that the purpose of a working definition is to reduce quibbling, not fan the flames. Personally, I'm willing to accept any definition that has some consensual agreement behind it.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...carlight-quot/
One point that I'm trying to keep in mind is that the purpose of a working definition is to reduce quibbling, not fan the flames. Personally, I'm willing to accept any definition that has some consensual agreement behind it.
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Here's a link to the latest of several discussions about defining carfree for the purposes of this forum. There are some good posts from different points of view, also a little pot stirring by a couple people who were later banned from BF.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...carlight-quot/
One point that I'm trying to keep in mind is that the purpose of a working definition is to reduce quibbling, not fan the flames. Personally, I'm willing to accept any definition that has some consensual agreement behind it.
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...carlight-quot/
One point that I'm trying to keep in mind is that the purpose of a working definition is to reduce quibbling, not fan the flames. Personally, I'm willing to accept any definition that has some consensual agreement behind it.
As for definitions, why do we need to recreate the wheel ... so to speak.
If you want a definition for "car" ... pick one:
https://www.onelook.com/?w=car&ls=a
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Why not stick with what the forum description says? "If your bike is your only transportation..." Anything else is car-lite.
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Ah ... but what about walking?
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I use trains and buses as well as my bike, so where does that leave me? If I were to rely 100% on my bike for transportation, I still wouldn't be vehicle free because I rely on trucks, trains and planes to deliver the goods I need to survive. As you can see, it isn't easy to define "car free".
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I use trains and buses as well as my bike, so where does that leave me? If I were to rely 100% on my bike for transportation, I still wouldn't be vehicle free because I rely on trucks, trains and planes to deliver the goods I need to survive. As you can see, it isn't easy to define "car free".
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I use trains and buses as well as my bike, so where does that leave me? If I were to rely 100% on my bike for transportation, I still wouldn't be vehicle free because I rely on trucks, trains and planes to deliver the goods I need to survive. As you can see, it isn't easy to define "car free".
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I think 'car free' is as vague as 'vegetarian' used to be. Lacto-ovo? Pescetarian? Vegan? Flexitarian? Jain Vegetarian? Fruitarianism?
Some people think that car free should be no combustion engine use at all? Do taxis fit the definition? Car share? Spouse owns a car? Access to neighbor's car for emergencies? Living in a school bus?
To be honest though, I think 95% of the people on this forum accept and understand that car free is probably a fairly flexible term, and don't really care. The remaining few are just trying to stir the pot or claim that everybody's a hypocrite by trying to twist the definition to whatever best suits their cynicism at the time.
Some people think that car free should be no combustion engine use at all? Do taxis fit the definition? Car share? Spouse owns a car? Access to neighbor's car for emergencies? Living in a school bus?
To be honest though, I think 95% of the people on this forum accept and understand that car free is probably a fairly flexible term, and don't really care. The remaining few are just trying to stir the pot or claim that everybody's a hypocrite by trying to twist the definition to whatever best suits their cynicism at the time.
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To be honest though, I think 95% of the people on this forum accept and understand that car free is probably a fairly flexible term, and don't really care. The remaining few are just trying to stir the pot or claim that everybody's a hypocrite by trying to twist the definition to whatever best suits their cynicism at the time.
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To me if you don't drive a car for personal needs and you don't own one you're car free. If lumping in receiving goods that were ever transported by a motor vehicle, then only people living off grid on private land who grow their own food and harvest their own cotton to hand weave their own clothing will be truly car free. Let's not forget the people living without cars who use sharp rocks to shear their sheep for making wool clothing too.
Let's not be ridiculous about this.
I'm about to go to a store using my Xootr, wearing clothing, and I'll bring back things in my back pack. Everything other than my body came to me via a store that got those things from a truck. Even the food that went into forming my body was transported by a truck.
If you don't own a car and you don't regularly use one for personal use then you're car free to me.
Cars are great tools. Some people need them and that is fine with me. I like the idea of car light people doing what they can to minimize the usage of their cars. They are being responsible for minimizing pollution and not clogging the streets when the car isn't needed. Good for them.
Let's not be ridiculous about this.
I'm about to go to a store using my Xootr, wearing clothing, and I'll bring back things in my back pack. Everything other than my body came to me via a store that got those things from a truck. Even the food that went into forming my body was transported by a truck.
If you don't own a car and you don't regularly use one for personal use then you're car free to me.
Cars are great tools. Some people need them and that is fine with me. I like the idea of car light people doing what they can to minimize the usage of their cars. They are being responsible for minimizing pollution and not clogging the streets when the car isn't needed. Good for them.