"The Unstoppable Rise of Bikes" (interview with Elly Blue)
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I read the article and thanks for posting, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the idea and sentiment. However, I honed in on something there that speaks to what I am saying
In other words, Copenhagen has a dilemma. It's invested heavily in cycling and now that it is tapering off, they are throwing more money at the problem.
You can't get governments to not spend, they have a ridiculously difficult time doing nothing. In the case of infrastructure. I'm advocating we not do much, we grow in step with the popularity of cycling, not try and smash it down the collective peoples throats via construction and high construction costs which will only yield at most a 1% increase in total population riding in 5-10 years.
In other words, Copenhagen has a dilemma. It's invested heavily in cycling and now that it is tapering off, they are throwing more money at the problem.
You can't get governments to not spend, they have a ridiculously difficult time doing nothing. In the case of infrastructure. I'm advocating we not do much, we grow in step with the popularity of cycling, not try and smash it down the collective peoples throats via construction and high construction costs which will only yield at most a 1% increase in total population riding in 5-10 years.
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I read the article and thanks for posting, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the idea and sentiment. However, I honed in on something there that speaks to what I am saying
In other words, Copenhagen has a dilemma. It's invested heavily in cycling and now that it is tapering off, they are throwing more money at the problem.
You can't get governments to not spend, they have a ridiculously difficult time doing nothing. In the case of infrastructure. I'm advocating we not do much, we grow in step with the popularity of cycling, not try and smash it down the collective peoples throats via construction and high construction costs which will only yield at most a 1% increase in total population riding in 5-10 years.
In other words, Copenhagen has a dilemma. It's invested heavily in cycling and now that it is tapering off, they are throwing more money at the problem.
You can't get governments to not spend, they have a ridiculously difficult time doing nothing. In the case of infrastructure. I'm advocating we not do much, we grow in step with the popularity of cycling, not try and smash it down the collective peoples throats via construction and high construction costs which will only yield at most a 1% increase in total population riding in 5-10 years.
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I agree. $155 billion dollars was spent on highways last year. Since cycling only accounts for 1-ish percent of the modality we should restrict the spending to 1-ish percent, that's only $1.5 Billion dollars so we're not shoving anything down anybody's throats. To be fair though that will only build a few 100k miles of separated MUP, or a few million miles of sharrows.
Or just give cyclists a tax cut so we can all go buy new bikes and gear, lol.
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Seriously though, your question implies the issue needs a solution, or that the technology exists for there to be an adequate solution. Growth of population and desire to own/drive a car to work and everywhere else only grows and grows as the populace grows. Trying to control the desire or dissuade others from driving sounds pretty freedom-crushing. Moreover, putting money into alternative conveyance sounds like a waste.
In the short term, I'd try and privatize parts of what is the causing congestion, buses, toll roads, etc. Technological advancement in these areas will come from the private sector, not the government.
In the long term it's a case by case scenario.
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Google auto-drive. Congestion will become a thing of the past.
Seriously though, your question implies the issue needs a solution, or that the technology exists for there to be an adequate solution. Growth of population and desire to own/drive a car to work and everywhere else only grows and grows as the populace grows. Trying to control the desire or dissuade others from driving sounds pretty freedom-crushing. Moreover, putting money into alternative conveyance sounds like a waste.
In the short term, I'd try and privatize parts of what is the causing congestion, buses, toll roads, etc. Technological advancement in these areas will come from the private sector, not the government.
In the long term it's a case by case scenario.
Seriously though, your question implies the issue needs a solution, or that the technology exists for there to be an adequate solution. Growth of population and desire to own/drive a car to work and everywhere else only grows and grows as the populace grows. Trying to control the desire or dissuade others from driving sounds pretty freedom-crushing. Moreover, putting money into alternative conveyance sounds like a waste.
In the short term, I'd try and privatize parts of what is the causing congestion, buses, toll roads, etc. Technological advancement in these areas will come from the private sector, not the government.
In the long term it's a case by case scenario.
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https://www.gluskintownleygroup.com/d...w%20Report.pdf
These trends are about as new as I could find and they address, men, women, children and ethnicity.
How unstoppable does this trend make Elly's contention?
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Hey is anyone actually read this book? I've made it to page 30 and like what I'm reading. I could probably have gleaned most of her arguments by lurking on LCF though.
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The highway system, which is what we are discussing, is not private either. The only privatization of a public road that I know about was an experiment in Michigan that lasted for several years. A private company (ABC Paving) was low bidder to maintain about 20 miles of an urban interstate extension (I-496) in Lansing. ABC Paving charged the state $15,000 per mile. The state DOT reported that they could do it for $8,100, while the county road commission said it would cost them only $7,100. The contract with ABC Paving was not renewed.
Newspaper article:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5032,3708735
Report from a right wing think tank:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/M-DOT+...ved-a019925500
Newspaper article:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5032,3708735
Report from a right wing think tank:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/M-DOT+...ved-a019925500
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The highway system, which is what we are discussing, is not private either. The only privatization of a public road that I know about was an experiment in Michigan that lasted for several years. A private company (ABC Paving) was low bidder to maintain about 20 miles of an urban interstate extension (I-496) in Lansing. ABC Paving charged the state $15,000 per mile. The state DOT reported that they could do it for $8,100, while the county road commission said it would cost them only $7,100. The contract with ABC Paving was not renewed.
Newspaper article:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5032,3708735
Report from a right wing think tank:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/M-DOT+...ved-a019925500
Newspaper article:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=5032,3708735
Report from a right wing think tank:
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/M-DOT+...ved-a019925500
We do it here in LA, Orange and Riverside county. They offer "fast track" toll lanes to bypass the public traffic at a cost, which covers their expenses.
Also, I think its sort of appealing to tradition or authority to say that something won't work or shouldn't be preferred because one failed attempt or that because the institutions which has largely been stagnant may right now be cheaper in again, this particular situation.
I'll try to get to common ground with this though. I think Citibike is a step in the right direction. It's almost entirely funded privately and has city oversight. I'm not sure how much "oversight" and I hope over time it is reduced and not increased to keep the bikes rolling cheaply.
I'm also a huge fan of not-for-profit or privately owned for profit bike kitchens, like here in LA.
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https://www.gluskintownleygroup.com/d...w%20Report.pdf
How unstoppable does this trend make Elly's contention?
How unstoppable does this trend make Elly's contention?
In this environment, the most pressing issue for bicycle stores and suppliers is holding on to loyal customers for as long as possible. But that alone is not enough. The bicycle industry must also seek growth by attracting women back to the sport, and by finding ways to put Hispanic, black, and Asian families on bikes. Women are far more sensitive to safety issues than men are, and more of their daily transportation needs revolve around family activities and shopping. Most of the children in America’s largest cities and states are black, Hispanic, Asian, or from some other non-white race. For this reason, the single best way to attract women and minorities to bicycling is making urban and suburban streets safer and more cycle-friendly.
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Aside from the differences of purpose, I don't think the the author of that paper and Elly would find all that much to disagree about except for the sources of their numbers. He comes to similar conclusion, that the biggest factor hindering the growth of cycling in the US is the built environment of our cities:
The he question was asked if we didn't see an increase in cycling in the US and the numbers indicate only white males have remained constant. Females, children
and all minority males have decresed using the same infrastructure. So it seems it is a force of will not simply build it and they will come. And it also answers the question of if we see more cyclists on the road in general. Nationally the answer is no. And according to the NBDA the percentages of adults bikes sold has still not reached the 1973 levels. So with the massive decrease in bicycle use in China and the decrease in all but one portion of the US population it looks like the "Unstoppable" is stoppable. At least statistacaly.
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Maybe true, however for some reason the lack of infrastructure seems to effect one group less than others. Specifically if it weren't for older white males the unstoppable would be considered stopped in the US.
The he question was asked if we didn't see an increase in cycling in the US and the numbers indicate only white males have remained constant. Females, children
and all minority males have decresed using the same infrastructure. So it seems it is a force of will not simply build it and they will come. And it also answers the question of if we see more cyclists on the road in general. Nationally the answer is no. And according to the NBDA the percentages of adults bikes sold has still not reached the 1973 levels. So with the massive decrease in bicycle use in China and the decrease in all but one portion of the US population it looks like the "Unstoppable" is stoppable. At least statistacaly.
The he question was asked if we didn't see an increase in cycling in the US and the numbers indicate only white males have remained constant. Females, children
and all minority males have decresed using the same infrastructure. So it seems it is a force of will not simply build it and they will come. And it also answers the question of if we see more cyclists on the road in general. Nationally the answer is no. And according to the NBDA the percentages of adults bikes sold has still not reached the 1973 levels. So with the massive decrease in bicycle use in China and the decrease in all but one portion of the US population it looks like the "Unstoppable" is stoppable. At least statistacaly.
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Maybe true, however for some reason the lack of infrastructure seems to effect one group less than others. Specifically if it weren't for older white males the unstoppable would be considered stopped in the US.
The he question was asked if we didn't see an increase in cycling in the US and the numbers indicate only white males have remained constant. Females, children
and all minority males have decresed using the same infrastructure. So it seems it is a force of will not simply build it and they will come. And it also answers the question of if we see more cyclists on the road in general. Nationally the answer is no. And according to the NBDA the percentages of adults bikes sold has still not reached the 1973 levels. So with the massive decrease in bicycle use in China and the decrease in all but one portion of the US population it looks like the "Unstoppable" is stoppable. At least statistacaly.
The he question was asked if we didn't see an increase in cycling in the US and the numbers indicate only white males have remained constant. Females, children
and all minority males have decresed using the same infrastructure. So it seems it is a force of will not simply build it and they will come. And it also answers the question of if we see more cyclists on the road in general. Nationally the answer is no. And according to the NBDA the percentages of adults bikes sold has still not reached the 1973 levels. So with the massive decrease in bicycle use in China and the decrease in all but one portion of the US population it looks like the "Unstoppable" is stoppable. At least statistacaly.
The 60 percent increase in cycling throughout the country since 2000 has been across the board demographically, but women and minorities have contributed more to that increase than white males.
https://www.bikeleague.org/content/ac...continues-rise
https://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...sc=tw&cc=share
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There doesn't seem to be a Kindle version available. I went to Amazon and accidentally ordered a 26-page "zine" with the same title. I've cancelled that as I wanted to read the whole book. Oh, well...
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I'm not sure where you got your demographic statistics for cyclists, but they are incorrect. Between 2001 and 2009 blacks went from 8 to 10 percent of trips accounted for and hispanics from 6 to 8. Women are also taking a larger share of the bike demographic because of new bike infrastructure, most prominently bike share systems. This has been documented by the league of American bicyclists and is covered (albeit anecdotally) by Elly Blue in her book as she references the fact that more advocacy groups are being attended and lead by women.
The 60 percent increase in cycling throughout the country since 2000 has been across the board demographically, but women and minorities have contributed more to that increase than white males.
https://www.bikeleague.org/content/ac...continues-rise
https://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...sc=tw&cc=share
The 60 percent increase in cycling throughout the country since 2000 has been across the board demographically, but women and minorities have contributed more to that increase than white males.
https://www.bikeleague.org/content/ac...continues-rise
https://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...sc=tw&cc=share