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Dave Cutter 02-10-14 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lasauge (Post 16484691)
I don't think that's anymore a lie than saying "good morning!" when you're actually having a really crappy day and wish everyone around you would just drop dead.

WOW! In all my decades at work.... I never even ONCE had a morning like that.

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Originally Posted by lasauge (Post 16484691)
In this case there really was a car accident, and by presenting that as the logical justification for choosing to ride the OP can avoid the potential disagreements with the boss about the utility of bicycles and the vulnerability of women.

Avoid potential disagreements? You mean avoid the opportunity to be dynamic, convincing, and to show leadership? And... instead lie... and expose yourself as untrustworthy? No... that would ruin my work relationships.... and my mornings.

gerv 02-10-14 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nostalgic (Post 16482178)
Is this stereotype of the dainty helpless woman prevalent where you live?

That notion is common everywhere. We just need a few adventurous people like yourself to correct the idea.

wipekitty 02-10-14 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nostalgic (Post 16482178)
There is an ingrained notion (at least in my area) that a female, especially a young single female, dare not live without a car because of safety reasons..

Is this stereotype of the dainty helpless woman prevalent where you live?

It comes and goes. I've definitely found that it's worse in some regions of the US than others, but every place I've worked, I've found at least a few well-meaning people who think that something bad will happen to women if they are not enclosed in a giant metal machine (and conversely, that nothing bad will happen to women if they are enclosed in a giant metal machine.)

In my own mind, the bicycle is actually the safest way to get places: I get to park close to the building, so I'm not walking around by myself, I'm not going to be targeted by car thieves, I'm not fumbling around with keys in the dark (any fumbling I do is while wearing a helmet, which makes me feel a bit safer), and I can outpedal any troublemakers pretty easily.

These sorts of arguments won't work on the pro-car folks. Action is the only way to demonstrate that cycling is completely safe for people of any gender, even at night, in bad areas, and so on. Usually, a few late night trips by myself on a bike without incident is enough to "prove" to my concerned co-workers that I'll be just fine. If they're particularly concerned, I'll usually just not bring up the bike thing until I have sufficient "evidence" (repeated trips without any problems) to prove my point.

Ekdog 02-10-14 10:08 PM

I'd try to avoid bringing it up. Leave the bike in a place where your boss won't see it. By the time she realises you're commuting by bike you can tell her you've been doing it for weeks, months or whatever. If she objects, tell her you'll go back to driving as soon as you get you're car repaired. Then just keep on cyclin'.

Machka 02-11-14 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16483570)
This is not true. About the only thing they're not allowed to ask has to do with membership in a "protected class" such as race, religion, age, and a couple others. They can ask about anything else, and refuse to hire you for any other reason, or for no reason at all. They can also generally fire you for any reason (or no reason) unless you have a contract.

Really??

In my countries, the Labour Boards would have something to say about that!!

Machka 02-11-14 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nostalgic (Post 16484683)
By the way, I have made it to work. I rode my cruiser, and I am an hour and a half early, so I'm hanging out at the coffee shop nearby. :D

Good for you!

Unless you need your own personal car for work purposes (a rare occurrence that requires a special contract) employers don't care how you get there, as long as you show up on time.

wipekitty 02-11-14 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Machka (Post 16485730)
Really??

In my countries, the Labour Boards would have something to say about that!!

It might just be a US thing, but some employers use employment-at-will as opposed to a contract. Different states have different regulations regarding notice, protected classes, etc., but basically, it means that the employer really can just fire somebody for no reason whatsoever (and conversely, the employee can quit for no reason whatsoever.)

So, theoretically, you could get fired for using the wrong form of transportation. I'd hope that most employers wouldn't be that ridiculous.

Now that I think about it, I was turned down for a job once because I didn't own a car (and it wasn't pizza delivery.)

Machka 02-11-14 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by wipekitty (Post 16485746)
It might just be a US thing, but some employers use employment-at-will as opposed to a contract. Different states have different regulations regarding notice, protected classes, etc., but basically, it means that the employer really can just fire somebody for no reason whatsoever (and conversely, the employee can quit for no reason whatsoever.)

So, theoretically, you could get fired for using the wrong form of transportation. I'd hope that most employers wouldn't be that ridiculous.

Now that I think about it, I was turned down for a job once because I didn't own a car (and it wasn't pizza delivery.)

I think it must be a US thing. Here in Australia and in Canada, it's not easy to fire someone ... you've got to have a solid reason, and you need to present the reason to the employee and give them a chance to respond ... there's often a 2 or 3 chances type of system.

The exception is if the employee is a temp/casual/short-term contract worker, or perhaps if the employee is still in a probation period.

Having a car or not having a car has never even come up in any of my interviews. I think I was asked if I had my own reliable transportation in one interview, but that was with good reason because the job location was 35 km out in the country and there was no bus service. They were fine with the idea of cycling, and told me that several other people cycled too ... all they wanted to do was to check that I wasn't going to have transportation issues.

katsrevenge 02-11-14 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Machka (Post 16485730)
Really??

In my countries, the Labour Boards would have something to say about that!!

We 'let' a certain political party gut our labour rights. It sucks, but way too many people bought the whole unions are evil/ we don't need worker protections hook, line and sinker.

wahoonc 02-11-14 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Machka (Post 16485730)
Really??

In my countries, the Labour Boards would have something to say about that!!

It depends on the state... North Carolina is an "at will state"

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The term "Employment-at-Will" simply means that unless there is a specific law to protect employees or there is an employment contract providing otherwise, then an employer can treat its employees as it sees fit (including the assignment of demeaning tasks) and the employer can discharge an employee at the will of the employer for any reason or no reason at all. It is also up to each employer to decide if its employees may see their own personnel file or not.
Link

Also the lower down the employment food chain, the more likely they are to treat you like crap.

Aaron :)

Ekdog 02-11-14 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by katsrevenge (Post 16485800)
We 'let' a certain political party gut our labour rights. It sucks, but way too many people bought the whole unions are evil/ we don't need worker protections hook, line and sinker.

The same thing is happening over here.

nostalgic 02-11-14 07:05 AM

After work, my coworker offered to put my bike in the back of his SUV and take me home, but I turned that offer down, and rode my bike home. It took 45 minutes.

I felt incredibly safe. The funny thing is that the two people who tried to get my attention were women, not men! As I was about to get on my bike and head to work, a woman tried to ask me for cab fare, saying she was stranded and a good christian woman, and she promised to give me her earrings. O__O After I left work, another woman tried to ask me to do her a favour, but I kept on riding. I heard her in the distance say "Fine!"

At worst, riding a bicycle at night makes me a moving target.

@Ekdog: I love your signature! :)

Ekdog 02-11-14 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nostalgic (Post 16485963)
@Ekdog: I love your signature! :)

Thanks. It was meant to ruffle a few feathers, but if you like it, that's great! :thumb:

Artkansas 02-11-14 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekdog (Post 16486047)
Thanks. It was meant to ruffle a few feathers, but if you like it, that's great! :thumb:

There's your problem. Very few birds or dinosaurs actually read bikeforums.

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Ramona_W 02-11-14 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16482638)
My wife was car free for a decade and rode every day... now we are car light because of climate and work / family schedules.

I like that term "car light". Unlike @Ekdog I am not anti-car. I believe all types of vehicles can co-exist as long as everyone is patient and tolerant. (And, yes, I take the lane when I'm on a bike.) Plus, there are some things that can't be transported by bike like my elderly mother, my brother who's 275 if he's an ounce, and my daughter's belongings to and from college. So car-free is not an option but car light definitely is.

And Congrats on making the jump @nostalgic!

Roody 02-11-14 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 16486850)
I like that term "car light". Unlike @Ekdog I am not anti-car. I believe all types of vehicles can co-exist as long as everyone is patient and tolerant. (And, yes, I take the lane when I'm on a bike.) Plus, there are some things that can't be transported by bike like my elderly mother, my brother who's 275 if he's an ounce, and my daughter's belongings to and from college. So car-free is not an option but car light definitely is.

And Congrats on making the jump @nostalgic!

If you ever want suggestions for becoming even more carlight, this forum is a good resource.

Your brother's situation resonates with me. I weighed about 275 when I started cycling. Some people who are heavier than that ride bikes also. So it can be done, if he wants to do it.

JReade 02-11-14 01:13 PM

I've been asked "Do you have reliable transportation" before. Some jobs may require you to have use of a vehicle. Visiting clients or other offices, sometimes carrying large amounts of gear with you.

Ramona_W 02-11-14 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Roody (Post 16486928)
If you ever want suggestions for becoming even more carlight, this forum is a good resource.

Your brother's situation resonates with me. I weighed about 275 when I started cycling. Some people who are heavier than that ride bikes also. So it can be done, if he wants to do it.

Funnily enough, he has my car now. His is in the shop as of this morning waiting on a part to be two-day shipped. I'm the only one in the family who feels comfortable/can get around car-free so he's borrowing it until his gets back. Looks like I may be putting a rack on my Trek sooner than I'd thought. :) And thanks.

katsrevenge 02-11-14 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekdog (Post 16485892)
The same thing is happening over here.

Fight it or you'll be in the same boat we are.

katsrevenge 02-11-14 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramona_W (Post 16486850)
I like that term "car light". Unlike @Ekdog I am not anti-car. I believe all types of vehicles can co-exist as long as everyone is patient and tolerant. (And, yes, I take the lane when I'm on a bike.) Plus, there are some things that can't be transported by bike like my elderly mother, my brother who's 275 if he's an ounce, and my daughter's belongings to and from college. So car-free is not an option but car light definitely is.

And Congrats on making the jump @nostalgic!

I'm close to that (squishy and I pack on muscle easily) and I bike. We're car-light too. My guy works too far away on poorly designed roads to justify biking. The bike is our 'second car', so to speak. Car gets driven to work and for big shopping trips/out to the boondocks to visit family. Bike is used for regular shopping and most of the local trips.


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