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Old 04-25-14, 03:39 PM   #1
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Hey, list-makers: Millennials donít want to live in sprawling, car-dependent cities

Hey, list-makers: Most millennials don?t want to live in sprawling, car-dependent cities | Grist
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well all they have to do is build them over again. after they finish paying off college debt.
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well all they have to do is build them over again. after they finish paying off college debt.
Paying that debt off might mean putting off the purchase of a car for a decade or two...or three.
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well all they have to do is build them over again. after they finish paying off college debt.
That is an excellent idea. The jobs created by that can help them pay off their loans.
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well all they have to do is build them over again. after they finish paying off college debt.
They can use infill methods, like putting an Applebee's in the Target parking lot.
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Paying that debt off might mean putting off the purchase of a car for a decade or two...or three.
I'm of the opinion that the student debt and the non-existence of the expected jobs/income after graduation will also have an impact on home ownership.
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I'm of the opinion that the student debt and the non-existence of the expected jobs/income after graduation will also have an impact on home ownership.
I can't imagine how it wouldn't.
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I started wondering about what the Millennial Generation is. Here is Google's definition:

The Millennial generation is a group of young people whose birth years range from 1980 to 2000. This generation is actually just slightly larger than the Baby Boom generation (born from 1946 to 1964). Nearly 78 million Millennials were born between 1980 and 2000.
So they are currently between 13 and 34 years old. I'm a baby boomer and my 39 year old son is a Gen Xer and my 14 year old grandson is (barely) a Millennial. Millennials are today's high school students, college students, and young adults. They are already starting to have children of their own.

There are more Millennials than Boomers. That means they will have an enormous impact on our various social systems. They will have a big political impact also, If they vote.
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If someone is to believe the Grist article, most of the 78,000,000 or so people in the U.S whose birth years range from 1980 to 2000 share the same desire as the writer as to where and how to live.
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If someone is to believe the Grist article, most of the 78,000,000 or so people in the U.S whose birth years range from 1980 to 2000 share the same desire as the writer as to where and how to live.
I doubt if "most" is accurate, but there certainly is a trend. Even in a small city like Lansing, the increase of young adults living in walkable, bikeable central districts is remarkable.
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My niece and nephew are both early millennials. Both they and their spouses have cars. I guess they didn't get the word. Better text them.
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It's funnly how they selected Greepoint Brooklyn as one of best locations for Millennials. LOL! I remember back in the 1970's how Brooklyn was mostly a collection of crime ridden towns. Not anymore. It's become quite pricy in recent years and having cycled in many nighborhoods. In fact, Greenpoint was really a dump back in the day. How time are changing.
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My niece and nephew are both early millennials. Both they and their spouses have cars. I guess they didn't get the word. Better text them.
What kind of neighborhoods do they live in?
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What kind of neighborhoods do they live in?
They live in the suburbs of Phoenix and Las Vegas. They grew up in suburbs of Phoenix.
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The affordability index linked in the original article is pretty cool. "H+T affordability index"
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I started wondering about what the Millennial Generation is. Here is Google's definition:

The Millennial generation is a group of young people whose birth years range from 1980 to 2000. This generation is actually just slightly larger than the Baby Boom generation (born from 1946 to 1964). Nearly 78 million Millennials were born between 1980 and 2000.
So they are currently between 13 and 34 years old. I'm a baby boomer and my 39 year old son is a Gen Xer and my 14 year old grandson is (barely) a Millennial. Millennials are today's high school students, college students, and young adults. They are already starting to have children of their own.

There are more Millennials than Boomers. That means they will have an enormous impact on our various social systems. They will have a big political impact also, If they vote.
They can even exert some influence on their parents. My mail carrier is going through a divorce. She and her soon-to-be ex were living six miles from the edge of town on a high-speed two lane road. She is staying in town with her barely old enough to be Millennial son at her mother's house while the divorce dust settles. She told me that, at the insistence of her son, she is going to buy or rent a place in town. He wants to live near his friends, his school and near the sort of places where teenagers entertain themselves (his girlfriend's house?), not miles away in the suburbs.

Who knows, maybe he can even get his mother to walk or bike to work someday.
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My two are early on in the millennial group. Son lives in Somerville, MA (Boston), no car, single, uses mass transit and loves it. My daughter lives in a log cabin out in western MA... seven mile drive to get a cell phone signal. She has a car but uses it only as necessary. I have lived many different places over the years, prefer a small/medium sized town or way out in the country. For some reason Boston has a small town "feel" to it compared to places like Chicago or NY.


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Who knows, maybe he can even get his mother to walk or bike to work someday.
I'm intrigued by this inter generational influence. I'm always trying to get my kids to walk/bike wherever possible. They seem to get it... at least in theory.
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I'm intrigued by this inter generational influence. I'm always trying to get my kids to walk/bike wherever possible. They seem to get it... at least in theory.
My 14 year old grandson runs hot and cold. Sometimes he says he will never drive, and other times he can't wait to get his learners permit. He wants to walk to school, but his mom won't let him. (My son drives him every morning and picks him up after school.) For his birthday, he wants a bike to replace the one that was stolen last fall.
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It's nuts how all these things are true for me, I always thought it was just me being weird....
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It's nuts how all these things are true for me, I always thought it was just me being weird....
Well, each of us is unique, but not all that special.

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I'm a millennial, but pretty much every other millennial I know has a car or just can't wait to have one. They by and large insist I get one too, so I don't associate with most of them. Hell, one of them invited me to her house to see their newborn and offered to give me a ride (emphatically) the whole 1/2 mile to their place. The half mile of sidewalks. Sigh.

I'll be getting my license, but only because it's a check-in-the-box. The other half and I have discussed getting mopeds/scooters like a Vesva, which we have seen being used around town. Their role would be for rather long distance travel to places where biking would be time-impossible and bussing would be location-impossible. We will need to see how road laws allow it though. At ~70MPG, and only about $5k for a really nice one, I'm not wholly opposed. Frankly, I'm surprised these aren't MORE popular around here. Guess there's a stigma.

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I'm a millennial, but pretty much every other millennial I know has a car or just can't wait to have one. They by and large insist I get one too, so I don't associate with most of them. Hell, one of them invited me to her house to see their newborn and offered to give me a ride (emphatically) the whole 1/2 mile to their place. The half mile of sidewalks. Sigh.

I'll be getting my license, but only because it's a check-in-the-box. The other half and I have discussed getting mopeds/scooters like a Vesva, which we have seen being used around town. Their role would be for rather long distance travel to places where biking would be time-impossible and bussing would be location-impossible. We will need to see how road laws allow it though. At ~70MPG, and only about $5k for a really nice one, I'm not wholly opposed. Frankly, I'm surprised these aren't MORE popular around here. Guess there's a stigma.

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There might be a stigma associated with a scooter, but it may also be the fact that a) one needs to be licensed to operate one over 50cc (in OK)- and that is a motorcycle license/endorsement on the DL- and b) register/tag/insure.

I know my wife has a motorcycle endorsement and we've explored the idea of her getting a scooter for fair weather commutes to save on gas. The problem, though, is that she is short in stature and all of the scooters capable of highway speeds are simply too large.
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There might be a stigma associated with a scooter, but it may also be the fact that a) one needs to be licensed to operate one over 50cc (in OK)- and that is a motorcycle license/endorsement on the DL- and b) register/tag/insure.

I know my wife has a motorcycle endorsement and we've explored the idea of her getting a scooter for fair weather commutes to save on gas. The problem, though, is that she is short in stature and all of the scooters capable of highway speeds are simply too large.
Are any scooters with less than 50cc capable/worthwhile for long distance travel? Wouldn't such scooters be worn out quickly by sustained high speed (50mph+) travel, if they are even capable of it. I can see their value for metropolitan city area travel, but city to city? I'd ante up for a small motorcycle rather than an overtaxed scooter or moped.
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No idea; quite frankly I'd almost forgotten they existed before moving up to the Park. Thank you for mentioning, though, as I'll be more focused on my research.

If I'm recalling, here in MD you need a moped permit (which is just the same exact test as a car Learner's Permit) OR any other license to operate one up to 50cc - anything more is just a motorcycle, and requires licensing as such.

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