Living car free - story in Mpls paper
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Living car free - story in Minneapolis paper
Just thought I'd share this story that was in our local newspaper yesterday.
Minneapolis man survives ? and thrives ? without a car | Star Tribune
Not a lot of new info compared to what's available on this forum, but the fact that it is in a major newspaper at least gives some hope that the concept is reaching a broader audience.
The comments section is interesting as well. More than a few motorists are a little bit insecure. Though I suppose the comments section (for any story, not just about biking) is always a sewer.
Minneapolis man survives ? and thrives ? without a car | Star Tribune
Not a lot of new info compared to what's available on this forum, but the fact that it is in a major newspaper at least gives some hope that the concept is reaching a broader audience.
The comments section is interesting as well. More than a few motorists are a little bit insecure. Though I suppose the comments section (for any story, not just about biking) is always a sewer.
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I thought it was cool and unusual (for a newspaper article) that his main reason for not having a car was that he had more fun and felt more free. He barely touched on the cash savings, and I don't think he even mentioned fitness or the environment. The emphasis was "because it's fun" instead of "because it's good for you."
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I like that he pinged on the difficulty of reading bus route info and that it's a hurdle to public transportation. I had been car free for months before I found out that there's a bus that travels straight to the mall and that there is a stop across the street from my apartment. There has to be some kind of way to present that information better. Google maps is a start, I guess, since they've started to coordinate multiple public transit systems in their direction finding tools.
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I like that he pinged on the difficulty of reading bus route info and that it's a hurdle to public transportation. I had been car free for months before I found out that there's a bus that travels straight to the mall and that there is a stop across the street from my apartment. There has to be some kind of way to present that information better. Google maps is a start, I guess, since they've started to coordinate multiple public transit systems in their direction finding tools.
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I like that he pinged on the difficulty of reading bus route info and that it's a hurdle to public transportation. I had been car free for months before I found out that there's a bus that travels straight to the mall and that there is a stop across the street from my apartment. There has to be some kind of way to present that information better. Google maps is a start, I guess, since they've started to coordinate multiple public transit systems in their direction finding tools.
Yes, for years I have been saying that bus riding is a complex or difficult skill set. We teach high school students how to drive, but not how to use transit (or safely ride a bike). The new transit apps are promising, but I'm not sure they simplify transit use all that much at this point.
The only way I actually figured out some of them, was to hop on the bus, and figure that if worse came to worse, I'd reach somewhere I could walk from, even if it wasn't where I hoped to end up.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who has trouble reading a bus schedule. This might help to explain the relative popularity of light rail. If you know where the tracks go, you know the train isn't going to make any unexpected turns!
Apps that would give real time data, and make the route understandable, can't get here fast enough. Maybe I'd even think about buying a smart phone.
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I thought it was cool and unusual (for a newspaper article) that his main reason for not having a car was that he had more fun and felt more free. He barely touched on the cash savings, and I don't think he even mentioned fitness or the environment. The emphasis was "because it's fun" instead of "because it's good for you."
There was a lot of pertinent information in the article though.. so a newbie could learn a thing or two.
I'm hopeful that in another few years, this phenomenon will be so common, nobody will run such a story.
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I'm kind of surprised this article ran in a Minneapolis newspaper. Reason is that it's already pretty "old hat". It's gotta be a slow day even here in Des Moines before the local paper runs another "carfree" story.
There was a lot of pertinent information in the article though.. so a newbie could learn a thing or two.
I'm hopeful that in another few years, this phenomenon will be so common, nobody will run such a story.
There was a lot of pertinent information in the article though.. so a newbie could learn a thing or two.
I'm hopeful that in another few years, this phenomenon will be so common, nobody will run such a story.
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I'd like to see the opposite. I remember a few years ago the Toronto Star (a bulky paper) published some story about biking, and few days later a letter writer wrote in to complain that it was the same predictable nonsense they published every spring, and a waste of column inches. So I did a quick count and noticed that they published 80 pages a week (!) devoted to cars. This was before online ads were as big as they are now, so there were a lot of classified ads for cars included in that, as well as the automotive section which were published on Wednesday and Saturday. Nowadays it might be 20 or maybe 50 pages (I'll have to do an updated count) but still a lot. As biking becomes more "mainstream" I would hope there would be a lot more reporting on it.
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I'd like to see the opposite. I remember a few years ago the Toronto Star (a bulky paper) published some story about biking, and few days later a letter writer wrote in to complain that it was the same predictable nonsense they published every spring, and a waste of column inches. So I did a quick count and noticed that they published 80 pages a week (!) devoted to cars. This was before online ads were as big as they are now, so there were a lot of classified ads for cars included in that, as well as the automotive section which were published on Wednesday and Saturday. Nowadays it might be 20 or maybe 50 pages (I'll have to do an updated count) but still a lot. As biking becomes more "mainstream" I would hope there would be a lot more reporting on it.
For a few months, our local daily published (online) a blog on carfree issues, written by a carfree staff writer. It was discontinued, I think because the writer lost interest.
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I'd like to see the opposite. I remember a few years ago the Toronto Star (a bulky paper) published some story about biking, and few days later a letter writer wrote in to complain that it was the same predictable nonsense they published every spring, and a waste of column inches. So I did a quick count and noticed that they published 80 pages a week (!) devoted to cars. This was before online ads were as big as they are now, so there were a lot of classified ads for cars included in that, as well as the automotive section which were published on Wednesday and Saturday. Nowadays it might be 20 or maybe 50 pages (I'll have to do an updated count) but still a lot. As biking becomes more "mainstream" I would hope there would be a lot more reporting on it.
I wonder how many "carfree" stories you see in New York newspapers. They'd certainly have to think hard about pitching a story like that in a city where over 50% of households don't own cars.
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I just saw this article on my kitchen table before coming over to the computer and hopping on BF. As a cyclist who lives in Minneapolis, I love it. This is a very bike friendly city, the only downside of it being winter, which CAN be biked in but only if you're as tough as nails.
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I like that he pinged on the difficulty of reading bus route info and that it's a hurdle to public transportation. I had been car free for months before I found out that there's a bus that travels straight to the mall and that there is a stop across the street from my apartment. There has to be some kind of way to present that information better. Google maps is a start, I guess, since they've started to coordinate multiple public transit systems in their direction finding tools.
Trying to read the bus route on a printed transit bus schedule is a complete waste of time. I'll never understand why they don't just list maybe two dozen stops like a train map insead of creating a complex drawing of the route?
Alot of transit agencies do not even create a "system" wide map of all the services they provide. NJ Transit has an extensive map of dozens of lines that cross each other but you would never know this becuase they never took the time to create a map. Fortunately, someone actually took the time to do this on his own! Quite frankly, I had no idea you could reach almost every important city in New Jersey using a two zone bus card.
Then there are transit agencies that don't have "Trip Planners" bulit into their websites where you enter your start and end points and a printed itinerary is printed on screne with detailed info on what buses or trains to take including transfers and cost. (NJ Transit does have this) As a result, most public transit passengers use maybe half a dozen bus lines or less because they don't know where the other ones are going (or costs) so there is few if any experimentation.
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Just thought I'd share this story that was in our local newspaper yesterday.
Minneapolis man survives ? and thrives ? without a car | Star Tribune
Not a lot of new info compared to what's available on this forum, but the fact that it is in a major newspaper at least gives some hope that the concept is reaching a broader audience.
The comments section is interesting as well. More than a few motorists are a little bit insecure. Though I suppose the comments section (for any story, not just about biking) is always a sewer.
Minneapolis man survives ? and thrives ? without a car | Star Tribune
Not a lot of new info compared to what's available on this forum, but the fact that it is in a major newspaper at least gives some hope that the concept is reaching a broader audience.
The comments section is interesting as well. More than a few motorists are a little bit insecure. Though I suppose the comments section (for any story, not just about biking) is always a sewer.
>>>Owning a car seemed limiting, and not worth the money. “I think we’re tied to our cars so that people refuse to go to certain parts of the city because they don’t want to park, they don’t want to pay for parking or they have to leave somewhere early because their car is parked in a certain spot,” >>>>
It's not very often you'll read an article that a car is "Limiting" since it's usually just the opposite. A car is all about freedom of travel and excape from the dreaded bus.
When I think about it, there are a number of places I would not visit very often if I did own a car. Like the entire island of Manhattan!!
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From the article:
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The transit system works reasonably well if you’re going to go downtown, or to one of the downtowns,” said Prof. David Levinson, a transportation expert at the University of Minnesota. “There’s relatively fewer cross-connections. So if you’re not going to downtown, but you want to go from Point A to Point B, Car2Go might very well be faster<<<<
One of the problems with public transit is the fact that all the buses are going downtown. To be honest, I really don't see this as a problem and here's why.
I read at the turn of the last century, people used to walk one or two miles to a trolly stop. Once they reached a point that was fairly close, they walked another one or two miles more until they reached their final destination. Why are people so adverse to walking today? Seriously.
What's wrong with taking a bus that's going downtown, getting off and walk cross town to your final destination? Why do people need to board two or three buses to take you within 15 feet of your door step? I've never done this in my life and perfer to walk instead of taking multiple buses, wasting hours in the process just to avoid exercise. Just had to get that off my back.
Since I discovered my Xootr, those cross town trips are enjoyable. (a folding bike would also work too)
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The transit system works reasonably well if you’re going to go downtown, or to one of the downtowns,” said Prof. David Levinson, a transportation expert at the University of Minnesota. “There’s relatively fewer cross-connections. So if you’re not going to downtown, but you want to go from Point A to Point B, Car2Go might very well be faster<<<<
One of the problems with public transit is the fact that all the buses are going downtown. To be honest, I really don't see this as a problem and here's why.
I read at the turn of the last century, people used to walk one or two miles to a trolly stop. Once they reached a point that was fairly close, they walked another one or two miles more until they reached their final destination. Why are people so adverse to walking today? Seriously.
What's wrong with taking a bus that's going downtown, getting off and walk cross town to your final destination? Why do people need to board two or three buses to take you within 15 feet of your door step? I've never done this in my life and perfer to walk instead of taking multiple buses, wasting hours in the process just to avoid exercise. Just had to get that off my back.
Since I discovered my Xootr, those cross town trips are enjoyable. (a folding bike would also work too)
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What's wrong with taking a bus that's going downtown, getting off and walk cross town to your final destination? Why do people need to board two or three buses to take you within 15 feet of your door step? I've never done this in my life and perfer to walk instead of taking multiple buses, wasting hours in the process just to avoid exercise.
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Trying to read the bus route on a printed transit bus schedule is a complete waste of time. I'll never understand why they don't just list maybe two dozen stops like a train map insead of creating a complex drawing of the route?
Alot of transit agencies do not even create a "system" wide map of all the services they provide. NJ Transit has an extensive map of dozens of lines that cross each other but you would never know this becuase they never took the time to create a map. Fortunately, someone actually took the time to do this on his own! Quite frankly, I had no idea you could reach almost every important city in New Jersey using a two zone bus card.
Then there are transit agencies that don't have "Trip Planners" bulit into their websites where you enter your start and end points and a printed itinerary is printed on screne with detailed info on what buses or trains to take including transfers and cost. (NJ Transit does have this) As a result, most public transit passengers use maybe half a dozen bus lines or less because they don't know where the other ones are going (or costs) so there is few if any experimentation.
Trying to read the bus route on a printed transit bus schedule is a complete waste of time. I'll never understand why they don't just list maybe two dozen stops like a train map insead of creating a complex drawing of the route?
Alot of transit agencies do not even create a "system" wide map of all the services they provide. NJ Transit has an extensive map of dozens of lines that cross each other but you would never know this becuase they never took the time to create a map. Fortunately, someone actually took the time to do this on his own! Quite frankly, I had no idea you could reach almost every important city in New Jersey using a two zone bus card.
Then there are transit agencies that don't have "Trip Planners" bulit into their websites where you enter your start and end points and a printed itinerary is printed on screne with detailed info on what buses or trains to take including transfers and cost. (NJ Transit does have this) As a result, most public transit passengers use maybe half a dozen bus lines or less because they don't know where the other ones are going (or costs) so there is few if any experimentation.
Marta also has an app that shows real time locations of buses.
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When I take public transit in the winter, I've found the best way to go to work is not to take the streetcar that goes from the expected subway stop direct to my office along a congested street. Instead I get off the subway one stop early, and take a faster streetcar on a parallel street 800 m north of the direct one, and walk the last 800 m down the cross-street. There are now two hipster coffee bars on that strip, plus a longstanding Portuguese bakery, so bonus!
Transit can be very good for business. Even here, where transit is more rudimentary and less popular, I have counted up to 80 people an hour getting off buses and going to one particular discount store.
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I wouldn't be surprised if those two new businesses are there because of the streetcar line.
Transit can be very good for business. Even here, where transit is more rudimentary and less popular, I have counted up to 80 people an hour getting off buses and going to one particular discount store.
Transit can be very good for business. Even here, where transit is more rudimentary and less popular, I have counted up to 80 people an hour getting off buses and going to one particular discount store.
https://ossingtonvillage.com/
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Actually it's a street in transition from a Portuguese immigrant neighbourhood shopping street, to a student/hipster strip with vinyl records, vintage clothes and craft beer bars, and a start-up bike shop, but the fact that the area is well served by public transit means it is vibrant and always evolving.
https://ossingtonvillage.com/
https://ossingtonvillage.com/
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I wouldn't be surprised if those two new businesses are there because of the streetcar line.
Transit can be very good for business. Even here, where transit is more rudimentary and less popular, I have counted up to 80 people an hour getting off buses and going to one particular discount store.
Transit can be very good for business. Even here, where transit is more rudimentary and less popular, I have counted up to 80 people an hour getting off buses and going to one particular discount store.
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I use the train and bus quite often HOWEVER the biggest deterrent is not the lack of information (I use the mobile apps)---it is the failure to monitor the passengers.
No, the conductors/drivers are not babysitters but signage should be posted ---"Hush and Enjoy the Ride!"
It used to be peaceful riding the train/bus. I am in South Florida and yeah maybe my expectations are high ...why do I have to get on the train/bus and listen to:
loud cell phone conversations (all languages not just English)--the rudeness is equal opportunity
singing
profanity
loud talking and yelling
Why can't people just get on the public use transpo, use it and shut up? I love the convenience and the price point but the wacky behavior is so indicative of our society. We are so afraid to say anything because of aggressive behavior and explosive spree killings and violent behavior. Now more than ever a lack of social etiquette=highly tolerated for fear of increased aggression.
I am only child so perhaps my expectations of silence are far fetched.
No, the conductors/drivers are not babysitters but signage should be posted ---"Hush and Enjoy the Ride!"
It used to be peaceful riding the train/bus. I am in South Florida and yeah maybe my expectations are high ...why do I have to get on the train/bus and listen to:
loud cell phone conversations (all languages not just English)--the rudeness is equal opportunity
singing
profanity
loud talking and yelling
Why can't people just get on the public use transpo, use it and shut up? I love the convenience and the price point but the wacky behavior is so indicative of our society. We are so afraid to say anything because of aggressive behavior and explosive spree killings and violent behavior. Now more than ever a lack of social etiquette=highly tolerated for fear of increased aggression.
I am only child so perhaps my expectations of silence are far fetched.
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I use the train and bus quite often HOWEVER the biggest deterrent is not the lack of information (I use the mobile apps)---it is the failure to monitor the passengers.
No, the conductors/drivers are not babysitters but signage should be posted ---"Hush and Enjoy the Ride!"
It used to be peaceful riding the train/bus. I am in South Florida and yeah maybe my expectations are high ...why do I have to get on the train/bus and listen to:
loud cell phone conversations (all languages not just English)--the rudeness is equal opportunity
singing
profanity
loud talking and yelling
Why can't people just get on the public use transpo, use it and shut up? I love the convenience and the price point but the wacky behavior is so indicative of our society. We are so afraid to say anything because of aggressive behavior and explosive spree killings and violent behavior. Now more than ever a lack of social etiquette=highly tolerated for fear of increased aggression.
I am only child so perhaps my expectations of silence are far fetched.
No, the conductors/drivers are not babysitters but signage should be posted ---"Hush and Enjoy the Ride!"
It used to be peaceful riding the train/bus. I am in South Florida and yeah maybe my expectations are high ...why do I have to get on the train/bus and listen to:
loud cell phone conversations (all languages not just English)--the rudeness is equal opportunity
singing
profanity
loud talking and yelling
Why can't people just get on the public use transpo, use it and shut up? I love the convenience and the price point but the wacky behavior is so indicative of our society. We are so afraid to say anything because of aggressive behavior and explosive spree killings and violent behavior. Now more than ever a lack of social etiquette=highly tolerated for fear of increased aggression.
I am only child so perhaps my expectations of silence are far fetched.
There is another thread on this topic, so maybe we should switch over to there.
https://www.bikeforums.net/living-car...l#post16772044
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